I think I'm finally ready to show my grow

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fancythat

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Hey everyone, I finally have my grow up and running to where I'm ready to show it. I've put a lot up time into it, and there is still a lot of learning and tweaking to do but I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.

A little about my set up:
It's approx 17' x 9'
-(6) 2'x8' steel tables that roll on a track, each table has (10) 4 gallon square buckets.
-2 tables per 40 gallon reservoir (nutrient changes are 55 gallons) for a perpetual grow, every 24 days 2 tables are harvested
Each table has (3) 315 cmh light, the 2 tables that are next to harvest has a 315 cmh removed and a 1000 de placed over the center of the canopy.
-nutrients: Total ppm around 900-1000, ph 5.7-6.2 using: prosilicate, epsom salts, Floranova bloom, remo astroflower, floralicious plus, pondzyme, garden friendly fungicide. I still have a lot to learn with the nutrient recipe, but last crop was 5lb for 2 tables, so if I can consistently pull that, I will be happy. But I am very interested in receiving some wisdom. Here are some pictures where you will see some plants with a blatant nutrient deficiency, or imbalance, which I am still trying to figure out.
I inject co2 with a natural gas burner. It's not a sealed room, I do have a small 4" inline fan that exhausts 24/7.
Daytime Temps are around 24C, and nighttime around 18-19C.
Water temp is typically around 19-21C
Currently there are 6 strains being grown, 3 are from clone from a reputable grower. They are great strains but very temperamental and I'm having a hard time getting them to bulk up, I think the nutrients are either too imbalanced or too strong. But the 3 strains that I have from seed do amazing with no issues. I'm tempted to kill off the hard to grow strains, but first I want some more experience with them to figure out.

Anyways, for anyone that is interested, here are some pictures.
It is currently day 55 of 70.
 

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fancythat said:
Hey everyone, I finally have my grow up and running to where I'm ready to show it. I've put a lot up time into it, and there is still a lot of learning and tweaking to do but I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.

A little about my set up:
It's approx 17' x 9'
-(6) 2'x8' steel tables that roll on a track, each table has (10) 4 gallon square buckets.
-2 tables per 40 gallon reservoir (nutrient changes are 55 gallons) for a perpetual grow, every 24 days 2 tables are harvested
Each table has (3) 315 cmh light, the 2 tables that are next to harvest has a 315 cmh removed and a 1000 de placed over the center of the canopy.
-nutrients: Total ppm around 900-1000, ph 5.7-6.2 using: prosilicate, epsom salts, Floranova bloom, remo astroflower, floralicious plus, pondzyme, garden friendly fungicide. I still have a lot to learn with the nutrient recipe, but last crop was 5lb for 2 tables, so if I can consistently pull that, I will be happy. But I am very interested in receiving some wisdom. Here are some pictures where you will see some plants with a blatant nutrient deficiency, or imbalance, which I am still trying to figure out.
I inject co2 with a natural gas burner. It's not a sealed room, I do have a small 4" inline fan that exhausts 24/7.
Daytime Temps are around 24C, and nighttime around 18-19C.
Water temp is typically around 19-21C
Currently there are 6 strains being grown, 3 are from clone from a reputable grower. They are great strains but very temperamental and I'm having a hard time getting them to bulk up, I think the nutrients are either too imbalanced or too strong. But the 3 strains that I have from seed do amazing with no issues. I'm tempted to kill off the hard to grow strains, but first I want some more experience with them to figure out.

Anyways, for anyone that is interested, here are some pictures.
It is currently day 55 of 70.
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5lbs every 24 days off of 6 315watt lights...I would be happy too...ha
 
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fancythat said:
Hey everyone, I finally have my grow up and running to where I'm ready to show it. I've put a lot up time into it, and there is still a lot of learning and tweaking to do but I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.

A little about my set up:
It's approx 17' x 9'
-(6) 2'x8' steel tables that roll on a track, each table has (10) 4 gallon square buckets.
-2 tables per 40 gallon reservoir (nutrient changes are 55 gallons) for a perpetual grow, every 24 days 2 tables are harvested
Each table has (3) 315 cmh light, the 2 tables that are next to harvest has a 315 cmh removed and a 1000 de placed over the center of the canopy.
-nutrients: Total ppm around 900-1000, ph 5.7-6.2 using: prosilicate, epsom salts, Floranova bloom, remo astroflower, floralicious plus, pondzyme, garden friendly fungicide. I still have a lot to learn with the nutrient recipe, but last crop was 5lb for 2 tables, so if I can consistently pull that, I will be happy. But I am very interested in receiving some wisdom. Here are some pictures where you will see some plants with a blatant nutrient deficiency, or imbalance, which I am still trying to figure out.
I inject co2 with a natural gas burner. It's not a sealed room, I do have a small 4" inline fan that exhausts 24/7.
Daytime Temps are around 24C, and nighttime around 18-19C.
Water temp is typically around 19-21C
Currently there are 6 strains being grown, 3 are from clone from a reputable grower. They are great strains but very temperamental and I'm having a hard time getting them to bulk up, I think the nutrients are either too imbalanced or too strong. But the 3 strains that I have from seed do amazing with no issues. I'm tempted to kill off the hard to grow strains, but first I want some more experience with them to figure out.

Anyways, for anyone that is interested, here are some pictures.
It is currently day 55 of 70.
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Nicely done! Need some cheap help? I work for table scraps, finger hash and scooby snacks... :D
 
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fancythat said:
Hey everyone, I finally have my grow up and running to where I'm ready to show it. I've put a lot up time into it, and there is still a lot of learning and tweaking to do but I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.

A little about my set up:
It's approx 17' x 9'
-(6) 2'x8' steel tables that roll on a track, each table has (10) 4 gallon square buckets.
-2 tables per 40 gallon reservoir (nutrient changes are 55 gallons) for a perpetual grow, every 24 days 2 tables are harvested
Each table has (3) 315 cmh light, the 2 tables that are next to harvest has a 315 cmh removed and a 1000 de placed over the center of the canopy.
-nutrients: Total ppm around 900-1000, ph 5.7-6.2 using: prosilicate, epsom salts, Floranova bloom, remo astroflower, floralicious plus, pondzyme, garden friendly fungicide. I still have a lot to learn with the nutrient recipe, but last crop was 5lb for 2 tables, so if I can consistently pull that, I will be happy. But I am very interested in receiving some wisdom. Here are some pictures where you will see some plants with a blatant nutrient deficiency, or imbalance, which I am still trying to figure out.
I inject co2 with a natural gas burner. It's not a sealed room, I do have a small 4" inline fan that exhausts 24/7.
Daytime Temps are around 24C, and nighttime around 18-19C.
Water temp is typically around 19-21C
Currently there are 6 strains being grown, 3 are from clone from a reputable grower. They are great strains but very temperamental and I'm having a hard time getting them to bulk up, I think the nutrients are either too imbalanced or too strong. But the 3 strains that I have from seed do amazing with no issues. I'm tempted to kill off the hard to grow strains, but first I want some more experience with them to figure out.

Anyways, for anyone that is interested, here are some pictures.
It is currently day 55 of 70.
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Looks good why run co2 though if your just going to exhaust it out?
 
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Lordhooha said:
Looks good why run co2 though if your just going to exhaust it out?
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From my understanding, it is debatable whether to have a room completely sealed or not.

A couple important factors I noticed with running an exhaust fan, (approx 100cfm) it creates a slight vacuum so the humidity is low and does not become an issue in the rest of the building. That slight vacuum draws in co2 from the 4 people that live here and always keep the co2 in that room 600-700ppm (this really surprised me, but I confirmed it by taking the monitor outside to calibrate a couple times.)

Apparently natural gas burners can produce ethylene which can build up and cause undesirable effects on the plants, so hopefully that exhaust balances it out.

I do not notice a large waste of co2 escaping from the room, the fan is at the top of the ceiling, so with co2 being heavier, it shouldn't exhaust too much. And keeping my co2 at 1000ppm, the burner only comes on about 45-60 seconds every 5-10minutes.
 
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fancythat said:
From my understanding, it is debatable whether to have a room completely sealed or not.

A couple important factors I noticed with running an exhaust fan, (approx 100cfm) it creates a slight vacuum so the humidity is low and does not become an issue in the rest of the building. That slight vacuum draws in co2 from the 4 people that live here and always keep the co2 in that room 600-700ppm (this really surprised me, but I confirmed it by taking the monitor outside to calibrate a couple times.)

Apparently natural gas burners can produce ethylene which can build up and cause undesirable effects on the plants, so hopefully that exhaust balances it out.

I do not notice a large waste of co2 escaping from the room, the fan is at the top of the ceiling, so with co2 being heavier, it shouldn't exhaust too much. And keeping my co2 at 1000ppm, the burner only comes on about 45-60 seconds every 5-10minutes.
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Mine are sealed each room has a 10 burner. The building is sealed enough that it comes on maybe a few times a day and keeps it @1500 ppm. I’ve never had any issue.

For humidity, you don’t run a dehumidifier? you look big enough to be running a big dehumidifier like an anden or quest.
 
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Lordhooha said:
Mine are sealed each room has a 10 burner. The building is sealed enough that it comes on maybe a few times a day and keeps it @1500 ppm. I’ve never had any issue.

For humidity, you don’t run a dehumidifier? you look big enough to be running a big dehumidifier like an anden or quest.
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Maybe I'll try turning down the fan and have just a tiny bit of a vacuum, if I don't have negative pressure in the room, then the humidity in the rest of the building builds up and could cause problems. There is also a carbon filter scrubber in the room and the exhaust fan has a carbon filter to help with odor control.

The room has a 5 - 9000btu hydronic air handlers to a pool heat pump which cools the room and also dehumidifies it. My humidity is typically at 55-60%, I have a dehumidifier in the room, but haven't had a need to turn it on yet.

I've also tried making mycelium co2 bags. which (I think) significantly raises the co2 in the room, they are only a few dollars to make and have lasted a few months at least. It was just an experiment, but it seems to help.
 
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Sounds like a really nice setup, I think I'd put the de over plants that are in week 3-6 instead of at the end. I would try 4k 315 bulbs at the end or if they make 10k finishing bulbs might even try one of those.
 
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Apalchen said:
Sounds like a really nice setup, I think I'd put the de over plants that are in week 3-6 instead of at the end. I would try 4k 315 bulbs at the end or if they make 10k finishing bulbs might even try one of those.
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I'm intrigued, have you had experience with the 4k 315cmh in late flower? Or the de1000 hps in early flower vs late flower? Wouldn't it stretch too much vs the 3k 315cmh? A iluminar rep I talked to recommended 4k for flower, but I have been apprehensive thinking maybe they have a surplus and need to get rid of them. All my 3k 3100 bulbs are new, so I was thinking if I do try 4k then I would swap out maybe 2 tables as a comparison.

Some very experienced larger garden farmers recommend the de1000 hps for bulking and density, saying the cmh won't do it. Which is why I put one in the middle of the 2 2x8 tables.
 
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Here are a couple shots of the veg room. In 3 weeks they go into flower. They are on 2 tables that i can move on a track that I built. I was thinking of doing a diy post because they are very handy and cheap to build with minimal diy ability. Also the panda film curtain to assist in controlling environment, keeping light in, and more customizable than buying a tent.
 

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Yeah I used to grow with 315s in tents and have flowered under both Phillips bulbs, there is a little bit of difference in finished buds, more colors and frostier from the 4200k, the 3100k was nice as well though and I honestly never could make up my mind which was best. I now flower under de hps and thinking of adding some cmh, if I do it will be 4200k to try and balance it out because of how orange the hps are.

The reason I'm saying to finish out under the blue light is because it's supposed to make for nicer quality , and that's the whole purpose of those 10k finishing bulbs. Also I dim lights toward the end sometimes to achieve lower temps and I don't think they need as much right at the end.

Weeks 3- 7 on a 9 week strain (4-7 on longer running strains) is when the plants put on the bulk of the weight so that's when I would have them under the strongest light. And since I dim toward the end anyways I'd then put them under the blue 315 bulbs hoping for more trichome coverage.
 
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Apalchen said:
Yeah I used to grow with 315s in tents and have flowered under both Phillips bulbs, there is a little bit of difference in finished buds, more colors and frostier from the 4200k, the 3100k was nice as well though and I honestly never could make up my mind which was best. I now flower under de hps and thinking of adding some cmh, if I do it will be 4200k to try and balance it out because of how orange the hps are.

The reason I'm saying to finish out under the blue light is because it's supposed to make for nicer quality , and that's the whole purpose of those 10k finishing bulbs. Also I dim lights toward the end sometimes to achieve lower temps and I don't think they need as much right at the end.

Weeks 3- 7 on a 9 week strain (4-7 on longer running strains) is when the plants put on the bulk of the weight so that's when I would have them under the strongest light. And since I dim toward the end anyways I'd then put them under the blue 315 bulbs hoping for more trichome coverage.
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Interesting. Good point on dimming. Do you think that dimming would work in a perpetual grow? The theory being the 2 tables with less light will have lower infrared heat to lower the leaf surface temperature, but the air temperature will still be the same?
 
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fancythat said:
Interesting. Good point on dimming. Do you think that dimming would work in a perpetual grow? The theory being the 2 tables with less light will have lower infrared heat to lower the leaf surface temperature, but the air temperature will still be the same?
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I could be completely wrong about dimming at the end, but it seems to work well for me and I pull good weight. And yeah I think that would work well.

How many weeks is each table under each section of light?

Also what are you practicing for ipm, in a perpetual garden it can be harder to get rid of pest or mold so it's better to be preventive
 
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Apalchen said:
I could be completely wrong about dimming at the end, but it seems to work well for me and I pull good weight. And yeah I think that would work well.

How many weeks is each table under each section of light?

Also what are you practicing for ipm, in a perpetual garden it can be harder to get rid of pest or mold so it's better to be preventive
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From Day 1-48, there are (6) 315cmh over the 2 tables, and then day 49-70, there is (5) 315 cmh and (1) 1000de hps. So maybe it would be better if the middle 24 days had the additional 1000de hps. First and last 24 day period is all under cmh

ipm has honestly been a struggle. I had a mutant tspm that seemed to be invincible, tried everything as natural as possible, but kept losing. I finally purchased a floramite, minx, oberon trio, and spray it on in veg before it goes into flower, and so far it has been holding everything at bay. For mold, I haven't had any problems yet. But I do have southern ag - garden friendly fungicide on hand. I add 3ml of it to every reservoir change. It may sound strange, but from my understanding, it's the same strain of bacteria used in botanicare hydroguard.

If you have any advice, I am all ears. I've been unsuccessfully growing for a very long time, and finally went and worked at a pretty large show (approx 150 1000w's) to learn. But never stop learning.
 
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I'm starting to spray preventively now, I have been lax about it for too long, but I am able to clean my rooms fully between runs where as you can't. You should definitely spray preventively.

I think I will rotate between plant therapy, zerotol, mammoth canncontrol, and athena mildew or athena ipm.

I am trying to find more info about a product called prokure, right now as the label reads you can only use when no plants are in the room, I hear though that they are trying to get approval for use with plants in the room. Anyways it's some kind of gas that fills the room and kills any mold particles.

I am just starting to decide what to use as well, but I got to figure it out and stay on top of things better, fighting pm at the moment luckily so far only in veg but it just started a couple weeks back.
 
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Here are some garden photos. Today the late flowering tables are day 56/70, mid flower day 22/70, early flower day 4/70. Obviously, you can see some areas to improve, some strains in the late flower are showing problems, but half the strains are doing (what I think to be) really good. Opinions are welcome.
 

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