I thought you guys were "winning"...?

Padawanbater2

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Actually, EVERYTHING is still up for debate. It doesn't matter how many liberal douchebags make the claim, we'll just chuckle and continue the very debate they seem to be oblivious of, despite being in the middle of it.

And you couldn't be any more wrong, all the scientists pushing the MMGW THEORY
do give a shit about our "what ifs" and "our ilk" are very important. We're the ones that influence the politicians who represent us into voting against all the horseshit legislation that the zealots try to push in the name of MMGW. We're the ones that are giving the finger to the Eco-Loons and their agenda, influencing public opinion that it's overblown hype not worth worrying about, preventing a deluge of suicidal legislation, AND WE'RE WINNING.
White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install solar panels




WASHINGTON — The U.S. is planning to train veterans to become solar panel installers in the next six years, the White House said Thursday.

The jobs training program is among a host of initiatives the White House says will cut carbon dioxide emissions by more than 300 million tons through 2030, plus save billions of dollars on energy bills for homeowners and businesses. It will launch this fall at one or more military bases and train a total of at least 50,000, including veterans.

The Agriculture Department will also spend nearly $70 million to fund 540 solar and renewable energy projects, focused on rural and farming areas. And the Energy Department will propose stricter efficiency standards for commercial air conditioners, a move the department said could cut emissions more than any other efficiency standard it has issued to date.

The proposals are modest compared with what President Barack Obama has asked Congress to do through legislation to promote clean energy, invest in infrastructure projects and force reductions in carbon dioxide emissions. But with lawmakers unwilling to consider any major climate legislation, Obama has sought to maximize what presidential authority he does hold.

Next week, Obama will attend a one-day United Nations summit on climate change in which heads of state are expected to show up with commitments to curbing emissions at home.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/us-train-veterans-install-solar-panels-part-initiative-reduce-carbon-dioxide-emissions/


 

NLXSK1

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White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install solar panels




WASHINGTON — The U.S. is planning to train veterans to become solar panel installers in the next six years, the White House said Thursday.

The jobs training program is among a host of initiatives the White House says will cut carbon dioxide emissions by more than 300 million tons through 2030, plus save billions of dollars on energy bills for homeowners and businesses. It will launch this fall at one or more military bases and train a total of at least 50,000, including veterans.

The Agriculture Department will also spend nearly $70 million to fund 540 solar and renewable energy projects, focused on rural and farming areas. And the Energy Department will propose stricter efficiency standards for commercial air conditioners, a move the department said could cut emissions more than any other efficiency standard it has issued to date.

The proposals are modest compared with what President Barack Obama has asked Congress to do through legislation to promote clean energy, invest in infrastructure projects and force reductions in carbon dioxide emissions. But with lawmakers unwilling to consider any major climate legislation, Obama has sought to maximize what presidential authority he does hold.

Next week, Obama will attend a one-day United Nations summit on climate change in which heads of state are expected to show up with commitments to curbing emissions at home.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/us-train-veterans-install-solar-panels-part-initiative-reduce-carbon-dioxide-emissions/


If the installation of solar panels was in such demand you would think that the private companies would be training people right? This is bullshit government training for jobs that are not in demand. Remember the green company that went under? Solyndra or whatever?
 

reasonevangelist

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If the installation of solar panels was in such demand you would think that the private companies would be training people right? This is bullshit government training for jobs that are not in demand. Remember the green company that went under? Solyndra or whatever?
Which is why they need to manufacture demand through legislation, which will most likely require a widely adopted "MMGW" paradigm... which, of course, is why it was created.

"Problem > Reaction > Solution."

They always have a desired solution in mind, and so they create a problem that will produce the reaction that demands their "miraculous" solution.
 

abandonconflict

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Which is why they need to manufacture demand through legislation, which will most likely require a widely adopted "MMGW" paradigm... which, of course, is why it was created.

"Problem > Reaction > Solution."

They always have a desired solution in mind, and so they create a problem that will produce the reaction that demands their "miraculous" solution.
so literally thousands of the best trained scientists on earth have conspired to fool the world in an attempt to threaten the most profitable industry in the history of humanity...

i have now heard it all
 

NLXSK1

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Which is why they need to manufacture demand through legislation, which will most likely require a widely adopted "MMGW" paradigm... which, of course, is why it was created.

"Problem > Reaction > Solution."

They always have a desired solution in mind, and so they create a problem that will produce the reaction that demands their "miraculous" solution.
Well, there is an easy solution at hand.... SoBamaCare... Everyone will be required to install solar panels on their roofs or pay an annual penalty to the federal government for their selfish use of power which of course the poor need too!!! Solar panels will be free to all homeless and poor people to be fair.
 

NoDrama

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Can you pull the trigger on your cordless drill/driver? Know the difference between + and -? Can you read a compass? Then you too can be a part of Obama's solar panel install team!!

Now if only people would start buying those solar panels so those 500,000 people actually have something to do.

But why do we need all these jobs if the economy is so great because Obama?
 

NLXSK1

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Can you pull the trigger on your cordless drill/driver? Know the difference between + and -? Can you read a compass? Then you too can be a part of Obama's solar panel install team!!

Now if only people would start buying those solar panels so those 500,000 people actually have something to do.

But why do we need all these jobs if the economy is so great because Obama?
Well, Obama already admitted the shovel ready jobs were not so shovel ready so his next adventure in capitalism is to create a supply of labor without demand and of course, demand will magically be created. Obamanation...
 

reasonevangelist

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so literally thousands of the best trained scientists on earth have conspired to fool the world in an attempt to threaten the most profitable industry in the history of humanity...

i have now heard it all
Ah, there's that warm fuzzy feeling i always get when someone intentionally misrepresents my statement, in order to make me look like i'm talking about something entirely different.

I wish i knew exactly where to find the post i want to link right now... but it's been too long, and i don't care all that much.

Suffice to say: you are sadly mistaken (or intentionally misrepresenting, whichever you prefer).
 

abandonconflict

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Ah, there's that warm fuzzy feeling i always get when someone intentionally misrepresents my statement, in order to make me look like i'm talking about something entirely different.

I wish i knew exactly where to find the post i want to link right now... but it's been too long, and i don't care all that much.

Suffice to say: you are sadly mistaken (or intentionally misrepresenting, whichever you prefer).
i think you're scared
 

NoDrama

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Also, how will this stop global warming? Doesn't it take a great deal of burning coal in China to make a panel?

Solar panels are a good idea, don't get me wrong I am probably one of the few people on RIU that has a PV array. I don't see them as a solution to climate change, more of a stop gap measure to lessen demand on oil.
 

NLXSK1

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Also, how will this stop global warming? Doesn't it take a great deal of burning coal in China to make a panel?

Solar panels are a good idea, don't get me wrong I am probably one of the few people on RIU that has a PV array. I don't see them as a solution to climate change, more of a stop gap measure to lessen demand on oil.
I dont think I have ever heard an argument from someone that was against people having voluntary solar panels on whatever they want. It is when the mandatory shit starts that people get pissed.
 

reasonevangelist

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i think you're scared
can you be more specific?

Of what, or whom, do you think i'm scared?

You know what "they" say about picking your battles... sometimes it's not worth the hassle of trying to explain. You should think about it more.

Consider this: who pays the scientists, and what are they employed to accomplish? And do you think they have full control of how their information is disseminated? Or how it may be politicized?

I think... scientists do science. Most of what occurs beyond that realm, is not scientists' doing. But either way, someone has to fund their research, and pay them to solve whatever problems whoever has an interest in solving, and the ability to fund the process.
 

abandonconflict

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can you be more specific?

Of what, or whom, do you think i'm scared?

You know what "they" say about picking your battles... sometimes it's not worth the hassle of trying to explain. You should think about it more.

Consider this: who pays the scientists, and what are they employed to accomplish? And do you think they have full control of how their information is disseminated? Or how it may be politicized?

I think... scientists do science. Most of what occurs beyond that realm, is not scientists' doing. But either way, someone has to fund their research, and pay them to solve whatever problems whoever has an interest in solving, and the ability to fund the process.
Please go on about the global warming conspiracy, I just can't get enough.
 

Padawanbater2

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Consider this: who pays the scientists, and what are they employed to accomplish? And do you think they have full control of how their information is disseminated? Or how it may be politicized?
That's exactly what peer review was designed for.

Do you think their data is all super secret locked away on some government hard drive totally inaccessible to the general public?
 

reasonevangelist

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That's exactly what peer review was designed for.

Do you think their data is all super secret locked away on some government hard drive totally inaccessible to the general public?
No. I think far too many people will eagerly believe whatever they're told, even if it's blatantly contrived (i.e. religion).

You don't have to lock away the real data; most people won't bother to look, and "most people" is enough to vote in legislation created by the one with the most convincing campaign.

Plus, you have to admit there are plenty of people out there who seem to think science is... well, they don't understand the point of it at all, and prefer to believe whatever makes them feel good, instead of facts; even peer reviewed factual analysis of repeatedly observed and rigorously tested observations.

Oh, so you're responding to something i didn't say.

And if it was "a massive conspiracy," it wouldn't be "with" 90% of scientists. It would be DESPITE those scientists, while misusing and misrepresenting their findings (kinda like argumentative trolls do on forums), in order to advance an agenda that "those scientists" can either go along with and get some profits and recognition from, or go against... and publicly dispute it and be made to look like "cooks," or remain silent and try to protect their own credibility as scientists, by not upsetting the wrong people.

It's not about the science, it's about the politics and the propaganda used by various entities, which sometimes includes "real science," but which has been manipulated or misrepresented to support something the data doesn't actually say... which "most people" will believe, and won't really investigate (many aren't qualified to know better).
 

abandonconflict

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And if it was "a massive conspiracy," it wouldn't be "with" 90% of scientists. It would be DESPITE those scientists, while misusing and misrepresenting their findings
Well then, it must be true, since I heard it from some guy on the internet. There it is, the vast majority of scientists don't actually have any scientific claims about the climate, they have umm, ermm...something else...and it was just seized by the propaganda machine for political ends.


briiiiiiiiiliant
 

reasonevangelist

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Well then, it must be true, since I heard it from some guy on the internet. There it is, the vast majority of scientists don't actually have any scientific claims about the climate, they have umm, ermm...something else...and it was just seized by the propaganda machine for political ends.


briiiiiiiiiliant
you just did it again. You're trying to make it seem like i'm saying something i'm not actually saying... maybe because you think it makes you look better, or something.

Scientists do science. They have no control over what the science-illiterate masses interpret when faced with propaganda based on that science, and they have no control over whether politicians and special interest groups take the real data and manipulate it in order to gain public support for whatever agenda.

Although sometimes, since scientists are actually human too, some of them may do something very unscientific (or perhaps very strategic...), and not interfere with the misuse of the data they have provided, in exchange for whatever benefits are offered. Not all of them are absolutely honor-bound and terminally ethical. Some of them will actually go along with lies, in order to gain substantially more wealth. I seriously doubt that 0% of all scientists would ever make an exception to their scientific principles, especially if they happen to find themselves between a rock and a hard place, with an opportunity to profit by doing something they'd rather not do. This happens to lots of people, and lots of people violate their own ethics; sometimes because it's necessary for survival or prosperity, and sometimes because they're threatened, and/or sometimes because they may be one of the many sociopath/psychopaths in this world, who either cannot discern, or do not care, what is right and wrong, but only care about getting what they want, by any means necessary.

I'm not saying "that's how scientists are," i'm saying "that's how some humans just are, and all scientists are humans, and therefore susceptible to various types of influence, and not necessarily terminally honor-bound to ethics." Most people have a price; even scientists.

And if those interested, happen to find the right scientists... well, then you have a very knowledgeable person who understands science well enough to exploit it in the most believable ways. And of course, they would have controversy and lots of people claiming that person is wrong or lying or incompetent... but "ain't nobody got time fo' dat." Most people will probably just think the others being critical are "jealous" or "mad" or whatever.

You might be surprised by the quantity of very dumb and careless people in this world. You can go ahead and make your joke about me being one of them, but when you do, realize that i've only met maybe 2-3 people IRL, who i felt were "on my level" or better. Most of the people i've met are literally simpletons, and they possess neither time nor inclination nor ability, to verify every "scientific" claim levied at them from all directions, from all media sources. They wouldn't know what's right or wrong, either way... so they'd usually just think whatever feels right, based on whatever the TV says, whether complete or incomplete or completely false. The masses are easily mislead, and people who need grants to conduct research in order to continue their careers as scientists, sometimes have to compromise themselves, in order to continue doing something... related, to what they would like to do.
 
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