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ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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hyroot said:
Yeah. It might oxidize a little . But still be terpy and full melt. Work with what ya got. You're not trying to drop $100 grams or anything so...
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what if i am :) lol. Thanks for the info man. I'm workin on the quality. i practiced with the stuff i made from my buddies trim earlier today. it's on parchment in that room on a sheet pan which im hoping will retain some of the cold air from the duct that blowing close by. I did a nail of it earlier and its better microplaned already without drying for a couple days. much drier.

i'm going to give mine the microplane in a little while... if i remember i'll take some pics, and post them up when i get done with the whole process including the "pocket cure" which i'm going to attempt to do them all at once in a 95 degree spot... where ever that may be lol. if you've ever done the pocket cure before, i'm assuming it's done with the lid on the jar?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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ShLUbY said:
what if i am :) lol. Thanks for the info man. I'm workin on the quality. i practiced with the stuff i made from my buddies trim earlier today. it's on parchment in that room on a sheet pan which im hoping will retain some of the cold air from the duct that blowing close by. I did a nail of it earlier and its better microplaned already without drying for a couple days. much drier.

i'm going to give mine the microplane in a little while... if i remember i'll take some pics, and post them up when i get done with the whole process including the "pocket cure" which i'm going to attempt to do them all at once in a 95 degree spot... where ever that may be lol. if you've ever done the pocket cure before, i'm assuming it's done with the lid on the jar?
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Pocket cure is from keeping it in your pocket. That's when it cakes out. Properly dried stays granular. It doesn't melt into a gel like ... when you see those. That's when the hash is still wet.

Pocket cure isn't necessary. Even after jaring up I try keep it stored in a cold and dry environment. You don't want to lose those volatile terpenes either ...
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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hyroot said:
Pocket cure is from keeping it in your pocket. That's when it cakes out. Properly dried stays granular. It doesn't melt into a gel like ... when you see those. That's when the hash is still wet.

Pocket cure isn't necessary. Even after jaring up I try keep it stored in a cold and dry environment. You don't want to lose those volatile terpenes either ...
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keeping it in your pocket at 80-90 degrees of body heat. no different than puttin it in a 80-90 degree spot for a little bit. i'd like it to cake out and get a little more solid to pull off bits with the wax-pick to dab.

what causes it to oxidize more, the humidity or the temp, i can't remember...
 
hyroot

hyroot

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ShLUbY said:
keeping it in your pocket at 80-90 degrees of body heat. no different than puttin it in a 80-90 degree spot for a little bit. i'd like it to cake out and get a little more solid to pull off bits with the wax-pick to dab.

what causes it to oxidize more, the humidity or the temp, i can't remember...
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Both. More humidity. I think it's both. I'm in the desert so there's very low humidity except for what it storms. Then it's like walking through jello. Mine cakes out from heat. I never saw a problem with caking out. I guess it's the start of degredation I guess.... when mine cakes out it like a hockey puck. I can still pull little chuncks. I prefer pressing it into a slab dab . Or sprinkle it over flowers.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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hyroot said:
Both. More humidity. I think it's both. I'm in the desert so there's very low humidity except for what it storms. Then it's like walking through jello. Mine cakes out from heat. I never saw a problem with caking out. I guess it's the start of degredation I guess.... when mine cakes out it like a hockey puck. I can still pull little chuncks. I prefer pressing it into a slab dab . Or sprinkle it over flowers.
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slab dab the parchment trick?
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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GhostShadow said:
IF you want loose resin glands (kief) then you shouldn't press of you want hash you should
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this stuff does not come out keif... and i dont see how anyone can get it to be keif. It clumps together into a patty really fast, even if i break it up after scooping. I think its going to look beautiful once it cakes. I wish i had a decent camera... i'll try and see if my sony does a good enough job.

if i wanted keif i'd be dry sieving. i have a nice 120 micron silk screen... i'd like to get a 40 micron or something to put under it and refine dry sieve a bit more, but honestly, the IWE is the way to go for me.

@hyroot you dont gotta look for it... ive seen it before. thanks for the offer though. i'm gonna try it out soon.
 
GhostShadow

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another bee in my bonnet

neither hashish nor kief is a concentrate or an extraction. No more than flowers are a concentration of the cannabis plant as a whole.

Kief it is an exudate of the cannabis plant separated from its associated vegetative matter through gravity or other mechanical means most predominately sieving, Hash more accurately is a preparation of cannabis exudate made by pressing together of the separated glands.
 
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hyroot

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GhostShadow said:
another bee in my bonnet

neither hashish nor kief is a concentrate or an extraction. No more than flowers are a concentration of the cannabis plant as a whole.

Kief it is an exudate of the cannabis plant separated from its associated vegetative matter through gravity or other mechanical means most predominately sieving, Hash more accurately is a preparation of cannabis exudate made by pressing together of the separated glands.
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Umm ok. For it to be an exudate the plant had to naturally secrete the oils and trichomes. That's not what happens

Extract is to draw out, remove, separate manually. That's exactly what hash, ice wax, kief, dry sift bho, pho, rosin is .

Now when you see sap naturally dripping from a tree that's an exudate. But if you cut a branch to force out the sap. That's an extract.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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GhostShadow said:
another bee in my bonnet

hashish or kief isnt a concentrate or an extraction it is an separation of exudate of the cannabis plant from its vegetative matter. or more accurately a preparation.
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ok call it Exudate Ice Water Bubble Melt Hash Icetract, who gives fuck. its the dankest stuff around, and I'm glad to have learned the few techniques from mr rize that i did (and from you too hyroot thanks for the help). i turned great hash i was already proud of into what will be no doubt the best in my little shit 24,000 person town lol. i just did a dab... Wooo!! and it's my buddies trim too which i think is def sub par from mine. It's Blue Dream strain. I tried my iphone for pics, they look shitty. i have a sony with an actual lens, its not the best but it should do ok. i also have a tripod so i'll set it up on that to get super still! My trim was a neopolitan if you will of a strain i acquired called brainwreck, some strawberry cough that i no longer grow, and Black Domino. should be some powerful stuff and interesting stuff! beautiful dark color... like red and orange... cool shit. gonna put it to the microplane in a few.

where is mr. rize these days... did people piss him off too much to come to this thread anymore?? If you're out there Rize, thanks for sharing man, very kind of you.
 
hyroot

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ShLUbY said:
looks great man nice job! what strains are you runnin and are you running them just for the ice wax?
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Those were sativa strains that were testers from my buddies company. I.dont plan on running them again. The plants we're finicky.

Over all in flower and veg I have like 20 strains.
Animal cookies, marrionberry kush, pre 98 bubba, dark side of the moon, mint chocolate chip, white nightmare, cherry pie, locomotion, nightmare cookies, 9lb hammer, quantum kush, gorilla glue #4, Mt rainier, grape lime ricky, evil intentions, kona sunset, ac/dc x mr x, kobain kush, adonis, and 10 other seed packs I haven't touched yet.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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hyroot said:
Those were sativa strains that were testers from my buddies company. I.dont plan on running them again. The plants we're finicky.

Over all in flower and veg I have like 20 strains.
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insane! i couldn't imagine keeping track of all that... just because of my limited space. i can't wait to get into a new house and have the room i need. I'll be working with about 6 different ones here pretty soon. got some Dr. Who i started from seed about to be cloned. Pretty stoked to see how it turns out, that shit looks killer and has some sativa in it so im hoping the hash is top quality. The 9lb hammer i did is nice smoke but its unstable. gettin a few beaners here and there. love the look of it, im gonna keep playing with her for a bit. its got that kush in it and its super sensitive to nitrogen it seems like. i need to learn how to grow it before i send it away. dont have much experience with the kush plants. trichs like mad on that strain.
 
GhostShadow

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("But if you cut a branch to force out the sap. That's an extract".)

is it an extract when it falls on its own?

get a clue.
 
chewberto

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Oxidation occurs from excess moisture retained in the end product. If it is not dried properly, or if it is pressed before the moisture has vacated, it will cake or wax up. Personally I never press unless it's right before I dab it. If you press, the terpenes start to dissipate faster IME. its like cracking the gland heads and releasing the inner "pussy juice" to free air... Here's a complete tutorial http://coloradobudblog.com/tutorials/extraction-tutorials/ice-water-hash-extraction/
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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chewberto said:
Oxidation occurs from excess moisture retained in the end product. If it is not dried properly, or if it is pressed before the moisture has vacated, it will cake or wax up. Personally I never press unless it's right before I dab it. If you press, the terpenes start to dissipate faster IME. its like cracking the gland heads and releasing the inner "pussy juice" to free air... Here's a complete tutorial http://coloradobudblog.com/tutorials/extraction-tutorials/ice-water-hash-extraction/
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thanks chewy! i can already tell the difference between microplaning them and doing it the way i used too, which was just cutting them into smaller 1/4" by 1/4" chunks from the patty while it was drying (even though i do like the look of the chunks like that!). definitely tastes better with the microplane and drying properly. i'm just gonna do the pocket cure, no pressing unless i do it before dabs. i stopped pressing hash a while ago because i realized that it was locking in unwanted moisture.
 
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