If I was a Palestinian

RickWhite said:
Can you produce physical evidence of this allegedly stolen land? Can you produce a picture of a formerly Palestinian neighborhood that was stolen? How about a deed of some type? Do you have a plot map of some kind? How about receipts for building materials used to construct these Palestinian homes? Any aerial photos? Anything at all?

In fact, can you produce evidence of a sovereign nation called "Palestine"? What were the name of their leaders and what type of government did they have? What was their unit of currency? Do you have census data for the region? Before the Jews began building up the area, how many Palestinians lived there?
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I thought I did some good drugs, but you must have even better drugs.
 
You know what is particularly telling about this thread?

It is that nobody made any effort at all to address the points I raised in the OP. Oh, people tried to change the subject and raise straw man arguments and all the typical old saws. But, nobody even came close to addressing what rational, moral people would do if faced with the same choices that the Palestinians have been during the last 40 years.

Nobody even took the time to learn the actual history of the conflict much less consider what would have been the right thing, or smart thing to do vs what the Arabs chose to do. That is what the OP is about. It is about the choices the Arabs have made from before Israel became a state to present day.

I see this thread as proof that most people don't really need to know or care about the facts or the truth of the matter. They are perfectly content to dig in their heels and toe the party line or to jump on anything that is anti Jewish.

The only question I ever have when hearing people who are highly critical of Israel is whether or not they fall into the former category or the latter one.
 
Criticizing the actions and policy of the israeli government or the far right doesn't necessarily mean you think what the palestinian are doing is a good thing.

And yes, I absolutely do hold israel to a higher standard than the palestinians. That doesn't make me anti-jewish or anti-israel...quite the contrary actually.

Oh....and I hate being a grammar whore, but it should be "If I were a palestinian". Subjunctive...
 
RickWhite said:
You know what is particularly telling about this thread?

It is that nobody made any effort at all to address the points I raised in the OP. Oh, people tried to change the subject and raise straw man arguments and all the typical old saws. But, nobody even came close to addressing what rational, moral people would do if faced with the same choices that the Palestinians have been during the last 40 years.

Nobody even took the time to learn the actual history of the conflict much less consider what would have been the right thing, or smart thing to do vs what the Arabs chose to do. That is what the OP is about. It is about the choices the Arabs have made from before Israel became a state to present day.

I see this thread as proof that most people don't really need to know or care about the facts or the truth of the matter. They are perfectly content to dig in their heels and toe the party line or to jump on anything that is anti Jewish.

The only question I ever have when hearing people who are highly critical of Israel is whether or not they fall into the former category or the latter one.
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this is nice thread. maybe you should make another one just like it. then there will be more.
 
I fall into the category of people who thinks it's wrong that they are the worst human rights violators on the planet today and we still support them and excuse them because they had nowhere else to go at the end of ww2 and nobody helped them until it was nearly too late. Now Israel has permanent gun emplacements with darth vader looking turret guns facing homes filled with families and kids. Some of those people may still have anger since they can look right past the guns and walls and see their old fucking houses still sitting there while they live in a literal shithole that was alwas supposed to be temporary and get treated like cattle, cut off from even working to support themselves or see family on the other side of some wall. Humans living with no human rights at all. Actually you can't say they're treated like cattle, cattle aren't regularly abused or killed just for fun or if they are it's probably less often.

You just keep going on about the arabs... They all need a good swift kick in the back of the head, Israel first.


The past is the past, today is still the past, tomorrow will be an even worse future.
 
Worst human rights violators on the planet today?!? Are you serious? Maybe you should put down your amnesty international newsletter and pay attention to what's going on in the world. A couple of clues to set you on the right path: DR Congo, burma, north korea, uzbekistan...Uzbekistan is a pretty good example....they rape women with broken bottles and torture children in front of their parents to extract confessions from suspected dissidents. Lovely place.
 
Actually, if we are talking human rights, it's safe to say that allowing any Islamic theocracy to exist is immoral.

By their very definition they are essentially one big human rights violation. Honor killings, women as second class citizens, zero freedom of religion or expression, state control of all sexual and even social interactions between people, forced genital mutilation of women, state sponsored indoctrination of children to become instruments of war, stoning, cutting off limbs; the list goes on and on.

Yet many focus their attention on the alleged human rights violations committed by Israelis (the most free country in the middle East)while they absolutely pail in comparison with those that are considered "normal life" in Muslim countries.

This is an obvious disconnect with reality that CLEARLY demonstrates a warped perspective on the issue.
 
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