IF you are new to LED and want help choosing what to buy, POST HERE!

Status
Not open for further replies.

kmog33

Well-Known Member
Not a bad resource of accumulated details, but not entirely accurate either from a quick pass over. I know apache "admits" real wattage for example. But hey, he did use one of my RIU threads as a reference so I give him props for that
Yep it's kind of a funny read as well as pretty decent information. While some of it is a little wonky or biased it seems to be fairly on point.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

giantsfan24

Well-Known Member
6 cxb3070 3500k BB's...

50w each...300w cob dissipation
times efficiency(51%)=153PAR watts
153 PAR watts x 4.7(conversion factor)=719PPF
DIvide by square meters...6.25sq ÷10.76(sqft per m2) = .58m^2
719PPF ÷ .58m^2 = 1239.66µmols/sec/m^2 is what your plants will feel...with just 6. That is already on the top end of what you need. Any more is overkill...to a negative point.

You can get the 185's if you want so you have the ability to add more cxb's on there if you expand or whatnot, but they are certainly not needed and will not make your current situation better.

In all truth, just 4 cxb's on a 185-1400 will be enough to get your space in the ideal light range, ~800µmol/sec/m^2. Or 5 on one hlg240-1400 would be great in a 5 pattern...4 corners and 1 in the center
Thank you very much for this. I was thinking six might be too much but I like the 5 idea with one driver better. Awesome!

What's the difference between a 1400A and a 1400B?
 

kmog33

Well-Known Member
I think that's someone who's biased to BlackDog how come they get the best rating? I don't trust what the site is saying Blackdog and BML is your best chioce come on there are new players in the game with the new tech of leds.
I didn't really pay attention to the ratings, more just thought the info of company's vs rated wattage which seems fairly on point.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Ohwolfie

Well-Known Member
What's up guys? This is my first post here, so I'll make it a good one.

I'm pretty new to DIY LED, and I am seeking advice about what would be the best LED for my current set-up. I do know a little bit about LEDs from watching GrowMau5 on youtube. I still have a few questions. So here goes....

I grow in a Secret Jardin DP-90 tent, so I am heavily restricted by size. If you need about 25 watts per square foot using LED lighting, then I need about 150 watts of LEDs right?

I have been looking at the Cree CXB and Bridgelux Vero series. I am pretty convinced that the Crees are a lot better than the Veros. However, the Vero 29s are cheaper, and they should do the trick. They also seem to be more easily available. My question is, are the Vero 29s an alright choice?

I am considering running 5 Vero 29s off of a Meanwell HLG-185H-C1050 driver. The Veros would run at like 36 volts, and would be about 6000 lumens each. I know I'd be driving the Veros very lightly, but I am assuming that should help to keep the heat down. Is this a good idea? I figured that buying an extra LED @ around $30 would be better than trying to buy several LED drivers.

I am trying to now figure out what size heatsink I'd need for either an active or a passive cooling system. I know an active cooling system takes less space than a passive. I am terrible at math, and am having trouble figuring it out.

I am also wondering about what kelvin temp I should use for a full cycle grow. I have heard 4000 k is best, but I really don't know for sure.

Sorry for the long-winded post. I have been lurking on this forum for awhile trying to earn what I could but there's nothing like asking your own questions. Nice to meet you guys.
 

giantsfan24

Well-Known Member
6 cxb3070 3500k BB's...

50w each...300w cob dissipation
times efficiency(51%)=153PAR watts
153 PAR watts x 4.7(conversion factor)=719PPF
DIvide by square meters...6.25sq ÷10.76(sqft per m2) = .58m^2
719PPF ÷ .58m^2 = 1239.66µmols/sec/m^2 is what your plants will feel...with just 6. That is already on the top end of what you need. Any more is overkill...to a negative point.

You can get the 185's if you want so you have the ability to add more cxb's on there if you expand or whatnot, but they are certainly not needed and will not make your current situation better.

In all truth, just 4 cxb's on a 185-1400 will be enough to get your space in the ideal light range, ~800µmol/sec/m^2. Or 5 on one hlg240-1400 would be great in a 5 pattern...4 corners and 1 in the center
So in the 5 cob configuration, it's looking like a cpu cooler would be the best option for the center cob as it includes a fan. I was just thinking a Arctic Alpine 11 or something. Does that sound reasonable?
 

Von Brawn

Active Member
Hey I have a 4x2 area, 8sqm. I'm a LED noob but looking to make the transition. I'd prefer buying a light than making (unless it's easy).

What type of light (wattage, company) should I be looking at to cover 3-4 plants?

I'd settle for 1-2 plant coverage if it comes with a significant price reduction.

Any help is appreciated
guys?
 

Von Brawn

Active Member
tasty,pacific lights concept,and johnson ..look those up they will work fine and tell you what they cover

Sorry these terms confuse me and google doesn't turn up many relevant things for "tasty" and "johnson". Even tried "tasty johnson" :spew:

"Pacific lights concept" seems to be a website for diy materials but I have zero handy man skills and don't even know where to start reading. Any suggestions?

Any suggestions for good companies with reliable product + good customer service?

Any opinions on Mars 144 x5 reflector panel? Found one locally for very cheap
 
Sorry these terms confuse me and google doesn't turn up many relevant things for "tasty" and "johnson". Even tried "tasty johnson" :spew:

"Pacific lights concept" seems to be a website for diy materials but I have zero handy man skills and don't even know where to start reading. Any suggestions?

Any suggestions for good companies with reliable product + good customer service?

Any opinions on Mars 144 x5 reflector panel? Found one locally for very cheap
Dude go here!! https://www.rollitup.org/t/led-companies-w-links.486179/
 

Von Brawn

Active Member
Thanks guys. Tasty & Johnson seem a bit expensive + overkill for my space.

I only need to cover 4x2 or 8 sqft.

Is there any resource you all can guide me to so that I can understand the ins and outs of LED lighting? IDK which specs to look for in different products
 

john0000

Well-Known Member
Thanks guys. Tasty & Johnson seem a bit expensive + overkill for my space.

I only need to cover 4x2 or 8 sqft.

Is there any resource you all can guide me to so that I can understand the ins and outs of LED lighting? IDK which specs to look for in different products
good led rant cheap ..if you want a good led your gonna have to pay check area51 led lights but i think on back order
 

Danielson999

Well-Known Member
What's up guys? This is my first post here, so I'll make it a good one.

I'm pretty new to DIY LED, and I am seeking advice about what would be the best LED for my current set-up. I do know a little bit about LEDs from watching GrowMau5 on youtube. I still have a few questions. So here goes....

I grow in a Secret Jardin DP-90 tent, so I am heavily restricted by size. If you need about 25 watts per square foot using LED lighting, then I need about 150 watts of LEDs right?

I have been looking at the Cree CXB and Bridgelux Vero series. I am pretty convinced that the Crees are a lot better than the Veros. However, the Vero 29s are cheaper, and they should do the trick. They also seem to be more easily available. My question is, are the Vero 29s an alright choice?

I am considering running 5 Vero 29s off of a Meanwell HLG-185H-C1050 driver. The Veros would run at like 36 volts, and would be about 6000 lumens each. I know I'd be driving the Veros very lightly, but I am assuming that should help to keep the heat down. Is this a good idea? I figured that buying an extra LED @ around $30 would be better than trying to buy several LED drivers.

I am trying to now figure out what size heatsink I'd need for either an active or a passive cooling system. I know an active cooling system takes less space than a passive. I am terrible at math, and am having trouble figuring it out.

I am also wondering about what kelvin temp I should use for a full cycle grow. I have heard 4000 k is best, but I really don't know for sure.

Sorry for the long-winded post. I have been lurking on this forum for awhile trying to earn what I could but there's nothing like asking your own questions. Nice to meet you guys.
Wow that tent is only 3' tall. Anyway, the BXRC-40E10K0-L-23 is the Vero you need. It's the 4000k version 2. I really like that combo of driver and cobs. I think the 4 corners with one in the center is a great design ;)
It will pull about 190watts and rock your 2x2x3 tent. If you're in the USA, go to heatsinkusa like most others and get a strictly passive design. Those cobs won't be generating much heat at 38.2 watts.
 

Danielson999

Well-Known Member
Thanks guys. Tasty & Johnson seem a bit expensive + overkill for my space.

I only need to cover 4x2 or 8 sqft.

Is there any resource you all can guide me to so that I can understand the ins and outs of LED lighting? IDK which specs to look for in different products
Look for a cob system (or 2 smaller ones) that puts out 300 to 400watts for your tent. Or get something alittle smaller and add side lighting with cfl's during flowering.
 

Von Brawn

Active Member
Look for a cob system (or 2 smaller ones) that puts out 300 to 400watts for your tent. Or get something alittle smaller and add side lighting with cfl's during flowering.
What exactly is a cob system? Does any company sell them already made? I'm not much of a handy man.

Can you recommend any specific products?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top