Importance of an EC meter

I'm not criticising you at all, and that's not how it works, when someone makes the first criticism on grammar, it is theire job to make sure there's is correct, not mine

You keep on trying to detract from the point at hand

Weed can be grown just perfectly without an EC or PPM meter, i'm sorry if you are not capable of this.




You're absolutely right though, it's essentuial and bud won't be grown without it

"for people who want to try different strains with different feeding requirements, knowing the exact numerical concentration of nutrients is very helpful...in fact essential."

Lordjin you make far to much sense to even bother with the resistance some people are just not into change. I on the other hand ironically spent about an hour just going over all your grow pics, and for fucks sake I shall take your word on pretty much anything. Thanks for sharing your valuble knowledge, and I will pick that tri-meter up (seems like a wicked cheap price also). So thanks for helping a newbie grower hope to share some great pics soon. cheers.

I have an EC meter, i found there was no need to change

If you have more information you can control more variables. The more accurate your information the more accurate you can control the variables.

Is it completely necessary? No... but it helps.

Say you are growing stain X in town A. You manually (with no measuring devices) get everything tuned perfectly. Now you move to town B. You are still growing strain X and doing everything like you did before but it isn't working at all; at this point you have to start tuning from scratch.

Now say you had taken detailed measurements at town A of your res and the towns waters pH, ppm... You could compare it to town B, make the revisions necessary to get your res inline to what it was before. In order to do the exact same thing you were doing in town A, you might need to do something different in town B - detail in measurements can save a ton of time. Applies to different strains as well as when you switch nute lines; 1300ppm vs 1300ppm is much more accurate than 1 capful vs 1 capful

Keep it simple and you'll have great results.
Ec meters are just another over-kill item for a new grower.
Sure you can do the things as stated above, but you don't have to.
Anybody saying you have to have one, is just giving their opinion.

Gastanker said:

If you have more information you can control more variables. The more accurate your information the more accurate you can control the variables.

Is it completely necessary? No... but it helps.

Say you are growing stain X in town A. You manually (with no measuring devices) get everything tuned perfectly. Now you move to town B. You are still growing strain X and doing everything like you did before but it isn't working at all; at this point you have to start tuning from scratch.

Now say you had taken detailed measurements at town A of your res and the towns waters pH, ppm... You could compare it to town B, make the revisions necessary to get your res inline to what it was before. In order to do the exact same thing you were doing in town A, you might need to do something different in town B - detail in measurements can save a ton of time. Applies to different strains as well as when you switch nute lines; 1300ppm vs 1300ppm is much more accurate than 1 capful vs 1 capful

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Right. Locality. Making those determinations is much more precise by parts per million.

I agree that it's not ABSOUTELY essential to have an ec/ppm meter. I fully understand that cannabis has ranges of tolerance in which they can thrive. Things don't necessarily have to be exact by the tenth of a numerical point for a mj plant to grow.

But when it comes to assurance and piece of mind, it can't be beat. Growing successfully consistently is all about eliminating variables. It's just an immensely helpful tool in this regard.

tip top toker said:

I'm not criticising you at all, and that's not how it works, when someone makes the first criticism on grammar, it is theire job to make sure there's is correct, not mine

You keep on trying to detract from the point at hand

Weed can be grown just perfectly without an EC or PPM meter, i'm sorry if you are not capable of this.

You're absolutely right though, it's essentuial and bud won't be grown without it

"for people who want to try different strains with different feeding requirements, knowing the exact numerical concentration of nutrients is very helpful...in fact essential."

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What am I not capable of? Growing a couple of heat-stressed buds light on the trichomes?

One post you're telling me it's essential, the next you're telling me it's not. Right.

So basically you're now agreeing with what i said at the very beginning, it can be useful but is completely unessential, cannabis can be grown perfectly well without, and that if you please you can make growing pot as hard as you want for yourself If you're monitering all variables then best to buy some water thermometers, aquarium heters, AC units, humidty readers, digital thermometers, light meters, alternative brand EC pens to correlate and make sure they are accurate. As complicated as you like, or as simple as you like, either way will produce lovely buds.

being the expert you are you are naturally aware that this is exactly how the strain in question grows, and has done for everyone for the past 30 years, but yup, heat stressed

snicol said:

Lordjin you make far to much sense to even bother with the resistance some people are just not into change. I on the other hand ironically spent about an hour just going over all your grow pics, and for fucks sake I shall take your word on pretty much anything. Thanks for sharing your valuble knowledge, and I will pick that tri-meter up (seems like a wicked cheap price also). So thanks for helping a newbie grower hope to share some great pics soon. cheers.

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Peace, snicol. You're doing the right thing.

I want to see your grow pics posted in my Tahoe journal.

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One post you're telling me it's essential, the next you're telling me it's not. Right.

So basically you're now agreeing with what i said at the very beginning, it can be useful but is completely unessential, cannabis can be grown perfectly well without, and that if you please you can make growing pot as hard as you want for yourself If you're monitering all variables then best to buy some water thermometers, aquarium heters, AC units, humidty readers, digital thermometers, light meters, alternative brand EC pens to correlate and make sure they are accurate. As complicated as you like, or as simple as you like, either way will produce lovely buds.

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It's too late. He's taking my advice. Give it a rest.

lordjin said:

It's too late. He's taking my advice. Give it a rest.

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I couldn't really care if he's taking your advice, more costs for him to cover It's all rather entertaining, you make a fierce argument and then in one post completely contradict yourself, and again try and detract from the actual point at hand

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I couldn't really care if he's taking your advice, more costs for him to cover It's all rather entertaining, you make a fierce argument and then in one post completely contradict yourself, and again try and detract from the actual point at hand

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Good, good. Now go smoke your shwag and take a nap.

lordjin said:

Good, good. Now go smoke your shwag and take a nap.

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Haha, you have just proved your sheer ignorance We have a term for people who throw out statements without having any idea whatsoever what they are talking about

tip top toker said:

Haha, you have just proved your sheer ignorance We have a term for people who throw out statements without having any idea whatsoever what they are talking about

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What? If you think you're gonna get people to bow at your feet with a pic of a couple of ho-hum looking buds, that's your delusion.

Okay, okay. Look. here's how I responded to snicol's question:

Originally Posted by snicol
How important is the use of an EC meter, the guy at my grow shop said it's really of no use, but the more I read the more im not sure. Also how would you change the EC readout if it wasnt within the normal range. Sorry if this is redundant and stupid. First time grower, and I'm sure i am overcomplicating things.

Me:
then how the hell are you supposed to know how much you're feeding your plants? By sense of smell?

That's why I hate grow shop guys.

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Where do I say it's essential and weed won't grow without it?

You're the idiot who keeps saying it's absolutely NOT nesessary. There's nothing absolute about my initial remark, dipshit.

lordjin said:

Without a ppm reading, how will the grower know how much they have cut back if burning occurs? Just slosh in some plain water and hope it was enough and not too much?

This guy makes no sense. Who you gonna listen to, snicol? Again, it's your choice.

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Dude, you believe that everything you're doing is correct because you got a plant to grow, and you're totally dismissing even the remote chance that you might be wrong.

What you chose to do with YOUR PLANTS and YOUR MONEY is your prerogative, but you over-do things and probably shouldn't be giving advice to new growers, as it's obvious that you're not very experienced yourself yet.


When it comes to new growers, keep-it-simple is the rule.
Eliminate all the unnecessary over-kill, and you eliminate most of the problems that a new grower will experience.

For once, the hydro store guy was right.

The hydro store should have recommended a soil grow

If you are not familiar with the nuances of growing pot, I would start with dirt. Soil is much more forgiving.

Rj41 said:

Dude, you believe that everything you're doing is correct because you got a plant to grow, and you're totally dismissing even the remote chance that you might be wrong.

What you chose to do with YOUR PLANTS and YOUR MONEY is your prerogative, but you over-do things and probably shouldn't be giving advice to new growers, as it's obvious that you're not very experienced yourself yet.


When it comes to new growers, keep-it-simple is the rule.
Eliminate all the unnecessary over-kill, and you eliminate most of the problems that a new grower will experience.

For once, the hydro store guy was right.

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Oh, for fuck's sake. Is there no end to the trolls here? That's why RIU has such a bad name.

So what is your definition of experience? I've completed 8 successful grows going on my 9th. Did I not observe these events through the passage of time?

This new grower asked if he should monitor his dissolved solids. I suggested he should. How is that bad advice, troll?

Gastanker said:

The hydro store should have recommended a soil grow

If you are not familiar with the nuances of growing pot, I would start with dirt. Soil is much more forgiving.

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LOL, now there's some good advice.

If the op just keeps it simple, follows the directions, and measures things correctly, everything should go pretty smooth.
Shit, there's even charts for them to follow to keep them on track.

lordjin said:

Me:
then how the hell are you supposed to know how much you're feeding your plants? By sense of smell?

That's why I hate grow shop guys.

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Where do I say it's essential and weed won't grow without it?

You're the idiot who keeps saying it's absolutely NOT nesessary. There's nothing absolute about my initial remark, dipshit.

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for people who want to try different strains with different feeding requirements, knowing the exact numerical concentration of nutrients is very helpful...in fact essential

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What, you don't remember that little bit where you say it's essential? Essential would indicate failure otherwise, which is uttterly false

And you know how much you fed your plant because you measured out the feeding not a tricky thing to do.

I work at a hydro store, and I always recommend soil for beginners. Even if they're really hung up on going hydro right out of the gate. I still have to sell them whatever they decide that they want, but I atleast tell them I think they should get a soil under their belts first.

One other thing. If you're going to do the lucas formula then checking ec or ppm is a waste of time, because you're just topping off your res anyways and don't drain the res through out the whole harvest normally. Which means that you could see that your reading says 1300ppms... but how many ppms are of each chemical/substance? You can't tell that, so then everything gets out of whack anyways as your roots take up nutrients and excrete things back into your solution.