Impossible! The deficit is falling as well as unemployment Obama wrecking economy

twostrokenut

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Then stop telling me my rights come from God and stop telling me that the constitution and declaration are such excellent bedfellows. One is the law and one is not; your claims about rights can only be based in one and cannot possibly be based in the other. That only makes sense if you are talking in a personal philosophical sense instead of in a legal sense.

Never told you that.........just told you it could literally be a turkey sandwich for all the law cares and that's only if you care to Define the Creator. Don't rag on me for my beliefs here man it's no secret I believe in a Higher Power.
 

twostrokenut

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You're the one telling me all of this is perfectly legitimate, and I'm supposed to find success stories for you?
Stop your bullshitting you are the one defining "perfectly legitimate" right now. I will expand on the definition a little....It's cool with me if you are just a jaded unemployed government worker, I sympathize and find it perfectly legitimate to make a living that way, being duly noted it is a service position only and the authority lies in the Words that facilitate the position only....the words I must agree upon.

If all this nonsense is just you being jaded because you fear loss of tax revenue that employs you that is no problem to admit I don't think Redemption will cause a bank run any time soon and indeed the banker's holiday is still in full force to protect your job and shit I wouldn't worry.
 

twostrokenut

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Then stop telling me my rights come from God and stop telling me that the constitution and declaration are such excellent bedfellows. One is the law and one is not; your claims about rights can only be based in one and cannot possibly be based in the other. That only makes sense if you are talking in a personal philosophical sense instead of in a legal sense.
LOL peace out oh jaded person
 

twostrokenut

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I never argued that the capitalization had any meaning, you did. Since money is always capitalized in the constitution, I don't think the capitalization has any meaning; you've produced no evidence to the contrary. That's just how English was written in the past--capitalizing nouns was a remnant of German in the English language.

The constitution doesn't say anything about "money," only "Money"; no statute says "money" and "Money" mean different things; no court case says "money" and "Money" mean different things. So how can you assert they mean different things?
Lol I just can't fucking stop on how ingnorant you think I am just cuz I'm Southern....I had a great aunt who was in a concentration camp....tattooed number and all............sprechen sie Deutsch?

More insistence without any sources or backing?? Pay no attention to common sense that these were Englishmen really fully aware of wtf a proper Noun is and the fact it is still written that way.

Ever read the GPO style manual?http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-STYLEMANUAL-2008/pdf/GPO-STYLEMANUAL-2008.pdf
 

tokeprep

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All this is proof Fed Notes are money of account only and only enjoy being denominated in dollars and not being actual dollars as you were confused about earlier. All the lawful money values point to this conclusion. How much money does it take to purchase Money? What is Money? This is the true measure of value and human effort will always reflect this value including the industrial demand we both referenced already....silver is but one form... . Which is why the guy pumping gas back in the day for 1 dollar way back in the "hard times" days actually made more Money than most nurses today.
All what is proof of that, exactly? None of it. You have not proven that any distinction exists except in your own mind.

Of course, what you just said about silver is totally absurd. The market value of silver was below the face value of the coin/note in the times you're referencing; a person back then only earns more at modern silver prices, so your person pumping gas for $1 didn't actually make "more Money than most nurses today."
 

tokeprep

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Stop your bullshitting you are the one defining "perfectly legitimate" right now. I will expand on the definition a little....It's cool with me if you are just a jaded unemployed government worker, I sympathize and find it perfectly legitimate to make a living that way, being duly noted it is a service position only and the authority lies in the Words that facilitate the position only....the words I must agree upon.

If all this nonsense is just you being jaded because you fear loss of tax revenue that employs you that is no problem to admit I don't think Redemption will cause a bank run any time soon and indeed the banker's holiday is still in full force to protect your job and shit I wouldn't worry.
There's no redemption going on, so it will never cause anything. David Merrill and company will be rounded up as tax evaders and this will end up on the frivolous argument list with a $5,000 penalty assessed for asserting it. That's the future, not some bank run caused by the redemption fantasy.

I'm not a career government worker, so I really don't care.
 

tokeprep

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LOL peace out oh jaded person
I'm not jaded about anything. There's a difference between personal philosophy and legal reality.

Personally, I'm inclined to think that congress' power under the commerce clause was never meant to be extended the way it has been. The decisions are shaky at best, since they only came after FDR threatened to pack the supreme court after it invalidated a bunch of New Deal legislation. But under our constitutional system, like them or not, those decisions are the law, and they govern congress' commerce clause power. A personal belief that the constitution has been insulted, original intent ignored, etc. has no impact on the legal reality.
 

tokeprep

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Lol I just can't fucking stop on how ingnorant you think I am just cuz I'm Southern....I had a great aunt who was in a concentration camp....tattooed number and all............sprechen sie Deutsch?

More insistence without any sources or backing?? Pay no attention to common sense that these were Englishmen really fully aware of wtf a proper Noun is and the fact it is still written that way.

Ever read the GPO style manual?http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-STYLEMANUAL-2008/pdf/GPO-STYLEMANUAL-2008.pdf
I'm also from the south, so it wouldn't make much sense for me think you're ignorant on that basis. Of course, you apparently also thought I was black.

More insistence without any sources or backing? Where are your sources and backing for the claim that capitalization is significant? You provided absolutely nothing. What does the GPO style manual say about it?
 

twostrokenut

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I'm also from the south, so it wouldn't make much sense for me think you're ignorant on that basis. Of course, you apparently also thought I was black.

More insistence without any sources or backing? Where are your sources and backing for the claim that capitalization is significant? You provided absolutely nothing. What does the GPO style manual say about it?
WTF race bait much??? I thought you were black based on what exactly???
Fail.
Douche. Read it yourself I gave you a link of course you have one in your top drawer right?
 

twostrokenut

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I'm also from the south, so it wouldn't make much sense for me think you're ignorant on that basis. Of course, you apparently also thought I was black.

More insistence without any sources or backing? Where are your sources and backing for the claim that capitalization is significant? You provided absolutely nothing. What does the GPO style manual say about it?

Oh the style manual it say German used to require Caps for proper pronouns now the style manual is having lots of pie and kebob recipeis. It also says nothing grammatical matters anymore because english is not german.
 

twostrokenut

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And what point are you claiming this makes?
Even Treasury knows what you ignore for sake of argument. Lawful money demand notes and coins come from Treasury and are 1:1 interest free tally sticks for the assets that back them because they are issued by "government". Fed notes are legal tender only and only represent a mere fraction of the assets that back them because they are "elastic" and the fed is a "body corporate".

Click your paper slippers 3 times Dorothy.

Can't ctrl+f this one you actually have to read it old school proper....http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/files/105/FRA-LH-PL63-43.pdf
 

twostrokenut

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All what is proof of that, exactly? None of it. You have not proven that any distinction exists except in your own mind.

Of course, what you just said about silver is totally absurd. The market value of silver was below the face value of the coin/note in the times you're referencing; a person back then only earns more at modern silver prices, so your person pumping gas for $1 didn't actually make "more Money than most nurses today."
Market then doesn't matter face was legal tender for $1.......did anyone go trade a $1 silver coin for less than $1 spot back then??? Thought not and this is why you are bunk and.................

CiRCULAR JERKULAR
 

tokeprep

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WTF race bait much??? I thought you were black based on what exactly???
Fail.
Douche. Read it yourself I gave you a link of course you have one in your top drawer right?
You said something about not recognizing the accomplishments of white people and then listed off a bunch of accomplished black people, and I think you said something even more direct than that, actually. Apparently you thought this because of what I said about slavery and the constitution.

Why would I have a GPO style manual?
 

tokeprep

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Oh the style manual it say German used to require Caps for proper pronouns now the style manual is having lots of pie and kebob recipeis. It also says nothing grammatical matters anymore because english is not german.
Why would this style manual have anything to do with the original text of the constitution?

"Capitalization is one of the facets of language that is more varied from language to language, and the rules defining capitalization are more liberal than other rules in American English. In some languages, such as German, all nouns are capitalized. In English the same practice was in place until around 1800."
http://linguistlist.org/issues/21/21-4355.html

"What capital-ist Tea Partiers fail to realize, however, is that their orthography imitates not Thomas Jefferson and James Madison but the far-less famous Timothy Matlack and Jacob Shallus—a couple of secretaries. No one played a larger role in crafting the Declaration and the Constitution than Jefferson and Madison, respectively, but it was Matlack and Shallus who hand wrote the official, signed versions of these documents and freely recapitalized them as they saw fit. By contrast, in Jefferson's drafts of the Declaration, there's a striking absence of caps—he writes "life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness," for example. As H.L. Mencken noted, "nature and creator, and even god are in lower case."

In the century prior to 1765, nouns were generally capitalized. (The reason for this is now obscure; Benjamin Franklin hypothesized that earlier writers "imitated our Mother Tongue, the German.") By the Revolutionary War era, however, chaos was the rule. Everyone, it seems, had a different style, and individual authors vacillated from one sentence to the next. The old heavy-caps system still appealed to many writers, including some Founding Fathers: When Adams made a personal copy of Jefferson's draft, he wrote, "We hold these Truths to be Self evident; that all Men are created equal and independent.""
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2010/11/capital_embellishment.html

The second article is quite a bit longer and more thorough, so I highly suggest continuing it.
 

tokeprep

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Even Treasury knows what you ignore for sake of argument. Lawful money demand notes and coins come from Treasury and are 1:1 interest free tally sticks for the assets that back them because they are issued by "government". Fed notes are legal tender only and only represent a mere fraction of the assets that back them because they are "elastic" and the fed is a "body corporate".

Click your paper slippers 3 times Dorothy.

Can't ctrl+f this one you actually have to read it old school proper....http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/files/105/FRA-LH-PL63-43.pdf
Treasury didn't say that at all. Talk about taking things out of context!
 

tokeprep

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Market then doesn't matter face was legal tender for $1.......did anyone go trade a $1 silver coin for less than $1 spot back then??? Thought not and this is why you are bunk and.................

CiRCULAR JERKULAR
Exactly, that's why your argument is bunk. No one in 1900 could have taken their $1 coin and obtained $20 for it on the market. All they had was $1, with the silver in the coin worth substantially less than that. So how was a person earning $1 earning more than a nurse today? They weren't. The market price of silver had nothing to do with wealth then and today's market price has nothing to do with wealth then either.
 

twostrokenut

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Exactly, that's why your argument is bunk. No one in 1900 could have taken their $1 coin and obtained $20 for it on the market. All they had was $1, with the silver in the coin worth substantially less than that. So how was a person earning $1 earning more than a nurse today? They weren't. The market price of silver had nothing to do with wealth then and today's market price has nothing to do with wealth then either.

Bunk and Circular.

Nurses pay is merely money of account.........and it takes 18.45 money of account units denominated in dollars to buy a lawful money dollar coin right now plus the government premium no less. (Crime of 73) How much does the market put lawful money demand notes at right now measured in money of account?

I wonder if gov backed securities have kept pace with inflation?

You are simply on the side that benefits from this ignorance which is why you keep peddling your bull crap obviously. Doesn't matter the math is about to catch up and prove us right or wrong. Government hides the fact it can simply issue its own debt free tally sticks, judges are game too and so are you.

A deposit box contains an actual deposit.

A deposit at a bank contains no deposit merely a promise to pay aka legalese "deposit". This will be common knowledge very soon.

The money supply = the debt.
The fed's charter was only for 20 years.
 
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