In House Genetics Thread

[Amos Otis]

As to my statement about calling the cops you are free to believe whateve you wish, but I know how I live my life. I would never call the police for help because I don't believe they exist to protect or help me. Simple as that.

In an either or, which was how I framed the point, I value life over property, including my house. I can be made whole if I lose my house, not so much with my life. That doesnt mean I at all condone what happened to that woman. In Baltimore they protected the local businesses and burned cvs. Don't condone that eithet but I certainly understand it.

That picture of the lady was taken in Baltimore. CVS didn't deserve it either. But you understand it, so explain it to me, because I don't. How did it help? Was anyone persuaded to listen to the grievances of criminals burning and looting CVS?

 

[BigLittlejohn]

If he simply follows instructions, as is the law, the problem is ended. Isn't it?

Instructions...like thr behavioral scientist shot on thr ground with his hands up? Or the instructions given to Tamir Rice in that drive by shooting?

 

[Amos Otis]

And for the record, I never bought the feds conclusion in the Michael Brown case

Even though the head of the feds - DOJ - was Eric Holder, who worked for and was appointed by Obama. You bet, those guys ALWAYS take the side of the police.

 

[BigLittlejohn]

That picture of the lady was taken in Baltimore. CVS didn't deserve it either. But you understand it, so explain it to me, because I don't. How did it help? Was anyone persuaded to listen to the grievances of criminals burning and looting CVS?

It didn't help. People of all persuasions act irrationally when angry and more so when you add hopelessness.

 

[greencropper]

If he simply follows instructions, as is the law, the problem is ended. Isn't it?

not necessarily as the guy may be having a psychological episode, again...does he deserve to die when the option of shooting to wound is there but not taken? its like cutting off the hand of a shoplifter...

 

[Amos Otis]

For example, BLM did not begin with Michael Brown as that clown Milwaukee sherrif goes around promoting on Fox.

He's a clown?? Why? Is the Charlotte police chief a clown also?

 

[Amos Otis]

It didn't help. People of all persuasions act irrationally when angry and more so when you add hopelessness.

That justifies nothing.

 

[BigLittlejohn]

Even though the head of the feds - DOJ - was Eric Holder, who worked for and was appointed by Obama. You bet, those guys ALWAYS take the side of the police.

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Well I have been disappointed by this administration on a number of points and this is certainly one of them. The failure to end the drug war as promised which is responsible for a large portion of the bad police and community relations.

Do you believe prison populations accurately reflect crime in America?

 

[BigLittlejohn]

That justifies nothing.

Who is justifying? Understanding is not the same as condoning.

 

[akhiymjames]

I went there. Here's what the N Y Times says in that very article:
"
But the video, which was given to The New York Times by lawyers for the family Friday, does not include a view of the shooting itself. Nor does it answer the crucial question of whether Mr. Scott had a gun, as the police have maintained.

One of the lawyers, Justin Bamberg, who is representing the family along with Eduardo Curry, said in an interview Friday that the video did not prove whether the shooting was justified or not. Rather, he said, it offered “another vantage point” of the incident."



Where did the rallying cry "hands up, don't shoot" come from? In your opinion, did Michael Brown say that?

Thanks, amigo, for giving my "core" a pass.

I watched the Pastor video it touched me he's right all lives do matter and this is how I was raised but all the instances he speaks of shows the injustice we as black oeople are talking about. Racism has no color I understand all this but why can't people just acknowledge what we are saying about no one being held accountable. How come police can save a dog from storm drain, save a horse about to drown in a river but yet a black and life doesn't matter. Tulsa man could've been saved if they treated him like a human but we have been dehumanized. We just want people to acknowledge that this is wrong and something be done

See I don't read into what the media is saying I SEE with my own eyes if you can tell me you see a gun by his feet like they are showing in the still picture then I won't say anymore. But I'm saying no more bro his is it for me. I don't come here to talk this stuff but I will say it again I'm an advocate of all lives matter but when unarmed black people are dying and it seems like it's every week it must stop. I'm done

 

[Amos Otis]

It didn't help. People of all persuasions act irrationally when angry and more so when you add hopelessness.

But why are they hopeless in Baltimore? They've been ran by liberal democrats for decades. You know, the party that claims only they 'get' the race issues. The mayor is black. The failed district attorney is black. Yet you say the citizens feel hopeless?

Shouldn't they be at the zenith of hope?

 

[BigLittlejohn]

I watched the Pastor video it touched me he's right all lives do matter and this is how I was raised but all the instances he speaks of shows the injustice we as black oeople are talking about. Racism has no color I understand all this but why can't people just acknowledge what we are saying about no one being held accountable. How come police can save a dog from storm drain, save a horse about to drown in a river but yet a black and life doesn't matter. Tulsa man could've been saved if they treated him like a human but we have been dehumanized. We just want people to acknowledge that this is wrong and something be done

See I don't read into what the media is saying I SEE with my own eyes if you can tell me you see a gun by his feet like they are showing in the still picture then I won't say anymore. But I'm saying no more bro his is it for me. I don't come here to talk this stuff but I will say it again I'm an advocate of all lives matter but when unarmed black people are dying and it seems like it's every week it must stop. I'm done

This is where I am. Amos you have my email bro. I am happy to continue dialogue on thr issue, but we dont need Sunni shutting down this thread.

Suffice it to say, I support what BLM is about and it is about holding these jokers accountable.

 

[BigLittlejohn]

Im not a partisan and believe both parties corrupt and seld interested.

 

[Odin*]

yes they are trained to use lethal force in situations that do not require lethal force...does a guy who has a broken bottle deserve to be shot dead when refusing to give in to police demands to drop his weapon? imo he does not, why not put some bullets in his legs then smash the bottle out of his hand with a baton? if he hasnt already dropped the bottle being to busy with the pain in his legs, seen it time after time dude in a remote place(not in public place where a danger to people) armed with knife(not gun) surrounded by police who could easily shoot the legs but yet kill shot, very rare to see instance of police aiming for legs instead of kill shot in the above mentioned scenarios

Let's imagine the hypothetical; Cops are now trained to go for the legs. First, this diverts attention from the suspects face/arms/torso. He may be offering "Surrender" at this point, but the officer has his focus on a single leg. Shot fired, suspect still dies because his femoral artery was severed.

Hypothetical #2, same situation, only cops are trained to go for the shin to avoid the femoral artery. This further diverts attention from the suspects eyes (which reveal "intentions") and arms. Two suspects, two cops, both focusing on a suspects shin. They miss the motions of both suspects as they reach for guns in their waste bands. Both cops dead, a total of 5 kids left "fatherless", and 3 innocent bystanders hit by "strays", including one infant that dies at the hospital.

If the suspect has a weapon that could inflict a lethal injury (even just a glass bottle), lethal force is justified. If you were a cop and you were in a situation where your life was threatened, are you going to take chances? I'll say this, I've got 3 kids, no fucking way am I gambling.

 

[Amos Otis]

Who is justifying? Understanding is not the same as condoning.

Then why use it as a point of discussion?

Well I have been disappointed by this administration on a number of points and this is certainly one of them.

Do you believe prison populations accurately reflect crime in America?

I've spent time incarcerated. I was busted, and guilty of breaking the law. I know that if I'm caught breaking the law again, I'll go back. The 'prison population' is a tangent to what we're discussing, amigo.

 

[BigLittlejohn]

It's not a discussion point. It's a statement of fact. I understand it. I understand self destructive anger.

 

[BigLittlejohn]

Last thing and then seriously let's go to email: The prison population is totally relevant to the discussion and is not tangential. It is a very clear indication of where and how policing takes place in America unless you believe that the demographics of prison accurately reflect who commits crimes.

And certainly there are other factors but that's not a tangent anymore than political parties and administration officials.

 

[Amos Otis]

I watched the Pastor video it touched me he's right all lives do matter and this is how I was raised

Much thanks for taking the time, amigo. It's how I'm raised, as well, and though I stumble, it's what I strive to be.

This is where I am. Amos you have my email bro. I am happy to continue dialogue on thr issue, but we dont need Sunni shutting down this thread.

Wanna do the hug thing?

It's not a discussion point. It's a statement of fact. I understand it. I understand self destructive anger.

Reminds me of my favorite Chris Rock bit. About OJ, he talks about how OJ was incensed about Nicole screwing a guy on the sofa OJ paid for, in the house OJ bought....etc. Rock's punch line was: "I ain't sayin' he was right to kill the b****....but I understand.

 

[greencropper]

Let's imagine the hypothetical; Cops are now trained to go for the legs. First, this diverts attention from the suspects face/arms/torso. He may be offering "Surrender" at this point, but the officer has his focus on a single leg. Shot fired, suspect still dies because his femoral artery was severed.

Hypothetical #2, same situation, only cops are trained to go for the shin to avoid the femoral artery. This further diverts attention from the suspects eyes (which reveal "intentions") and arms. Two suspects, two cops, both focusing on a suspects shin. They miss the motions of both suspects as they reach for guns in their waste bands. Both cops dead, a total of 5 kids left "fatherless", and 3 innocent bystanders hit by "strays", including one infant that dies at the hospital.

If the suspect has a weapon that could inflict a lethal injury (even just a glass bottle), lethal force is justified. If you were a cop and you were in a situation where your life was threatened, are you going to take chances? I'll say this, I've got 3 kids, no fucking way am I gambling.

i do not know the chances of death of a leg shot over a body shot but im guessing it would be less, also i think that if a person is brandishing a bottle/knife as a weapon the chances are he doesnt have a gun in his belt, the weapon he holds is only lethal max 6ft around him, the scenarios im talking about are when there is 1 guy & is in no way a threat to other people except the police(more than 1) surrounding him, personally ive found watching an opponents body movements more an advantage than watching their eyes, i believe if possible he should be wounded & disarmed before lethal measures are used

 

[Amos Otis]

Two animal pies in back, white animal front left just now throwing pistils. Lemon cindy front right [BCG].

Two white animals, also just tossing pistils.