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natro.hydro
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Asked the guy at the hydroshop what he thought of aquaponics and he seemed to think its just a fad but we usually dont see eye to eye on things lol. I thunk they are pretty nifty and seem pretty sustainable so long as you dont suck at having fish as pets they are a lot less work than hydro I would imagine since ph is in the fishies fins lol.
chazbolin
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Aquaponics has been around since the Egyptians discovered it. As far as it being a fad I think he has not grasped the relevance of these systems in that they are recirculating the water without using any nutrients other than fish waste and a single amendment that contains trace elements which are in short supply with straight fish poop that fruiting and flowering plants require. If you consider that water is the new oil in many parts of the world and the amount of nutrients and heavy metals that are pushed back into our ground and waste water systems we have to look hard at alternative methods of indoor farming.
I think aquaponics represents a purely organic method of farming that is huge for the yet untapped market in commercial medical crop production. But the ship is slowly turning as the interest in this method of farming has attracted big $$$ for repurposed inner city buildings where there is agricentric training and jobs being provided from the farms that cultivate locally (Farm 2 Fork) to where they are ultimately consumed. Take a look at the size aquaponic projects that Pentair does all over the world. It it's a fad it's a fad that is only gaining more, not less market opportunities.
http://pentairaes.com/commercial-aquaculture
When considering the 'shifting sands' policies that many municipalities have had and continue to have with licensing commercial med crops I think for these commercial farmers to embrace the environmental, organic and co-cultivation side of this equation would give them a greater inroad into how these projects must be looked at for their long term contribution to the surrounding communities. As it is now these gardeners are looked on as profiteers who rape and pillage in search of the almighty dollar while ignoring the environmental consequences of their actions unless heavily policed by the authorities having jurisdiction over their operations. That perception rightfully or wrongly needs to be changed. Aquaponics, as a fully sustainable recirculating ecosystem, is one method to do so.
On another note. IG has been upgrading their website to show alot of new content and products. While I liked the old site cuz I knew where everything was it used to be where I had to call in discounts for anyone I wanted to hookup with product. It was kind of cumbersome. The new shopping cart has a discount code which I haven't used before but I'm told is up and running. If you type in CHAZ422014 you'll get 10% off the listed price and free freight to anywhere in the continental US good through 8-31-14. Every little bit helps.
I think aquaponics represents a purely organic method of farming that is huge for the yet untapped market in commercial medical crop production. But the ship is slowly turning as the interest in this method of farming has attracted big $$$ for repurposed inner city buildings where there is agricentric training and jobs being provided from the farms that cultivate locally (Farm 2 Fork) to where they are ultimately consumed. Take a look at the size aquaponic projects that Pentair does all over the world. It it's a fad it's a fad that is only gaining more, not less market opportunities.
http://pentairaes.com/commercial-aquaculture
When considering the 'shifting sands' policies that many municipalities have had and continue to have with licensing commercial med crops I think for these commercial farmers to embrace the environmental, organic and co-cultivation side of this equation would give them a greater inroad into how these projects must be looked at for their long term contribution to the surrounding communities. As it is now these gardeners are looked on as profiteers who rape and pillage in search of the almighty dollar while ignoring the environmental consequences of their actions unless heavily policed by the authorities having jurisdiction over their operations. That perception rightfully or wrongly needs to be changed. Aquaponics, as a fully sustainable recirculating ecosystem, is one method to do so.
On another note. IG has been upgrading their website to show alot of new content and products. While I liked the old site cuz I knew where everything was it used to be where I had to call in discounts for anyone I wanted to hookup with product. It was kind of cumbersome. The new shopping cart has a discount code which I haven't used before but I'm told is up and running. If you type in CHAZ422014 you'll get 10% off the listed price and free freight to anywhere in the continental US good through 8-31-14. Every little bit helps.
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SCARHOLE
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hyroot
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go on face book type in the search box induction mmj.
chazbolin
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Whadup HY! Your right they are behind about two weeks because the nitrification cycle had not been completely established when the clones were brought. I'd guess from seeing the last two grows for these strains went about 60 days on veg. One was soil and the other was hydro. But looking at them now they are all lush green and healthy looking. These strains were chosen because of the CBD values and they have had lab analysis done under both soil and hydro. When this run is finished all three strains will be tested as well to see what varies when grown in aquaponics.
As to the greenhouse gardens there is no getting around it. It's been hot in there. There is one 16" gable fan and a makeup fan on the other end but other than a few of the strawberries being stressed everything in the greenhouse is showing new growth. Especially those basil's. They're getting cut back literally every other day. Did you check out the new CCh2o DWC they got in there? That system is WAY too nice for tomato's.
As to the greenhouse gardens there is no getting around it. It's been hot in there. There is one 16" gable fan and a makeup fan on the other end but other than a few of the strawberries being stressed everything in the greenhouse is showing new growth. Especially those basil's. They're getting cut back literally every other day. Did you check out the new CCh2o DWC they got in there? That system is WAY too nice for tomato's.
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chazbolin
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We installed opaque curtains that when closed up will not let any light pass through to the garden. There is approximately 10 lbs of fish in this tank that recirculates the tank water into the media bed, down into the sump tank and back into the fish tank. There is a bell siphon in the media bed that lets the water ebb and flow within the tray. Other than the occasional addition (once every 2 weeks) 1/4 lb of Aquaponic Elements to replace trace elements that need to be resupplied after adding water the garden has been fed entirely on fish waste water. The plan is to flip in the next day or two.
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YouGrowBoy
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Everyone I know that has tried to grow aquaweed has had a problem with not enough nutrients for good flowers. Aquaponics is awesome for leafy greens but maybe not enough horsepower to really pop the buds. I think it can work but it will take a bunch of trial and error to get it to today's growing standards. Keep on trucking Chaz!
chazbolin
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Thanks YGB! If you add the trace elements lacking in fish waste that can be digested into the system without harming the fish the flowering aspects can be achieved. Stay tuned. I thing you're in for a pleasant surprise.
This image is day one of the flip. As you can see we added about 2" on to that Harlequin from yesterdays post.
This image is day one of the flip. As you can see we added about 2" on to that Harlequin from yesterdays post.
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YouGrowBoy
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Yes, I know about the magic rock dust, mineral dust or whatever you want to call it. I'll be watching to see results. Surprise me bro!
hyroot
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they're using tilapia, blue gill and salmon. They recently added chillers to the outdoor ones. Not sure if the indoor one has a chiller.Hey chaz, are you guys using Tilapia?? they can handle rather cold conditions. chill the res=roots for better growth in hot conditions without using massive wattage. Pricing sucks, but it always has
chazbolin
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YGB- Magic? LOL Not really. But I will note that mined mineral rock dust has low solubility which means trace elements can read present but still not be available to the plants.
Whadup Hy and P! Nah the indoor tank is not on a chiller as the water never gets above 80F in that area. That tank is running the carnivores bluegill and bass while the outdoor tank has the vegetarians; tilapia and koi.
These images are of Day 5 after the flip.
Whadup Hy and P! Nah the indoor tank is not on a chiller as the water never gets above 80F in that area. That tank is running the carnivores bluegill and bass while the outdoor tank has the vegetarians; tilapia and koi.
These images are of Day 5 after the flip.
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SCARHOLE
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Keep the aquaponics pics coming chaz...
Yall seen the new hybrid induction led bulbs yet?
http://www.eneltec-led.com/News/USA-will-launch-more-low-cost-LED-Bulb.html
USA will launch more low-cost LED Bulb
2014-08-14 14:16
U.S. Finally Lighting Company has announced it will launch the retail price of less than $ 8 an equivalent 60W of LED this summer, and also a sensor lights. The company claims that the light looks like an incandescent bulb, but also to provide better energy efficiency and long service life. Finally, CEO and Chief John Goscha president claimed that the use of induction lighting design LED bulb is the first incandescent most accurately mimic the original performance and appearance of LED bulbs, bulb inner coating phosphor. The lamp uses Acandescence technology, induction fluorescent lighting and is closely related to the two electrodes energized after the inert gas is ionized plasma state formation, release large amounts of ultraviolet light.
Induction Lighting has been quite widely used in outdoor applications and certain industrial indoor lighting applications. For example, street lighting requires precise beam control, street lights in the pavement in low light, the beam angle can be a good match, as omnidirectional bulb applications. Goscha claimed that consumers energy-saving lamps and LED lamps widespread dissatisfaction, including a complex buying process, consumers want to know the color temperature, color rendering index, or lumens these lighting index.
60W equivalent bulbs provide 2700K color temperature, 83 CRI. The CRI of an incandescent lamp 100. Cree 60W equivalent bulb consumes 14.5W (providing 800 lumens, 2700K), while Finally bulb consumes only 9.5W. If the price is right, I believe selling well. Compared to incandescent lamps, LED bulbs energy saving 75%, life expectancy is 15 times incandescent.
The painted fluorescent light bulb, although China's export control of rare earth elements used in phosphors, fluorescent tubes a few years ago led to soaring prices, but Goscha said, compared with a T8 fluorescent lamps, A19 lamps use less weight much, probably only accounted for "single-digit percentage" material costs
Yall seen the new hybrid induction led bulbs yet?
http://www.eneltec-led.com/News/USA-will-launch-more-low-cost-LED-Bulb.html
USA will launch more low-cost LED Bulb
2014-08-14 14:16
U.S. Finally Lighting Company has announced it will launch the retail price of less than $ 8 an equivalent 60W of LED this summer, and also a sensor lights. The company claims that the light looks like an incandescent bulb, but also to provide better energy efficiency and long service life. Finally, CEO and Chief John Goscha president claimed that the use of induction lighting design LED bulb is the first incandescent most accurately mimic the original performance and appearance of LED bulbs, bulb inner coating phosphor. The lamp uses Acandescence technology, induction fluorescent lighting and is closely related to the two electrodes energized after the inert gas is ionized plasma state formation, release large amounts of ultraviolet light.
Induction Lighting has been quite widely used in outdoor applications and certain industrial indoor lighting applications. For example, street lighting requires precise beam control, street lights in the pavement in low light, the beam angle can be a good match, as omnidirectional bulb applications. Goscha claimed that consumers energy-saving lamps and LED lamps widespread dissatisfaction, including a complex buying process, consumers want to know the color temperature, color rendering index, or lumens these lighting index.
60W equivalent bulbs provide 2700K color temperature, 83 CRI. The CRI of an incandescent lamp 100. Cree 60W equivalent bulb consumes 14.5W (providing 800 lumens, 2700K), while Finally bulb consumes only 9.5W. If the price is right, I believe selling well. Compared to incandescent lamps, LED bulbs energy saving 75%, life expectancy is 15 times incandescent.
The painted fluorescent light bulb, although China's export control of rare earth elements used in phosphors, fluorescent tubes a few years ago led to soaring prices, but Goscha said, compared with a T8 fluorescent lamps, A19 lamps use less weight much, probably only accounted for "single-digit percentage" material costs
hyroot
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daryll told me there's blue gill in there and never said anything about koi.
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chazbolin
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There are two tanks/systems. Bluegill and bass in the indoor gardens with Koi and Tilapia in the greenhouse gardens. The main tank in the greenhouse is 300 gal and it gravity feeds another 200 gal tank that acts as the CCh2o epicenter. Both tanks also have flood and drain trays above them which act as a biodigester and feed strawberries, basil, peppers, etc. When you couple up the four 35 gal totes and both tanks in the greenhouse garden you have around 550 gal of water in that system. You have to keep enough fish waste in the water for all the plants uptake. A very general rule of thumb is 1lb of fish to 1 gal of water to 1 sq ft of media bed.
chazbolin
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Day12 flower update. The fish are all healthy and growing with no signs of stress. All the plants are now showing buds but the one Harlequin has continued to outpace the pack. Other than the initial round of AE and the once a week worm casting tea what you see is just fish waste pushing these ladies along. Week one lighting was run on a 12/12. This week has been 12.5/11.5 and beginning next week we'll be moving to a 13/11 schedule. Water temps are staying around 75 f, Air temps 77-80, PH maintained at ~7, Ammonia/Nitrate/Nitrates tested daily and holding steady. I'm looking forward to the next couple of weeks to see where they go!
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chazbolin
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Playing with fish poop! Day 18 update. Well the ladies are starting to plump up a bit and we're showing pistils. Overall health of all the plants is looking good. With the exception of the AC/DC all the canopy leaves are praying. Yes the AC/DC still looks wimpy but there are bud sites all over them so maybe she'll surprise us. So far the best bud formations are on the WW where they even have a bit of frost starting to form.
Been on a 13/11 photoperiod for the last 5 days now and added 1/4 lb of aquaponic elements to make up for the water (city) we've added from evaporation and uptake. In some of the photos you'll see a 4" white pvc tube/cap. That's a bell siphon which lets the water that gets filled up from the fish tank to ebb and flow the media bed. It sets an air lock up and with just the weight of the water will ebb and flow the media bed about 4 times an hour. All the water drops into a sump and scoots back into the fish tank.
There are now 11 fish in that tank and they are all doing well. Every couple of days they eat the small frozen silver shiners, a bait fish, which cost $5.00 per pack and will go for 2-3 feedings. And from that comes the poop that makes for plant food. Very cool indeed.
Been on a 13/11 photoperiod for the last 5 days now and added 1/4 lb of aquaponic elements to make up for the water (city) we've added from evaporation and uptake. In some of the photos you'll see a 4" white pvc tube/cap. That's a bell siphon which lets the water that gets filled up from the fish tank to ebb and flow the media bed. It sets an air lock up and with just the weight of the water will ebb and flow the media bed about 4 times an hour. All the water drops into a sump and scoots back into the fish tank.
There are now 11 fish in that tank and they are all doing well. Every couple of days they eat the small frozen silver shiners, a bait fish, which cost $5.00 per pack and will go for 2-3 feedings. And from that comes the poop that makes for plant food. Very cool indeed.
