Inda-gro Induction...

Poor IndaGro and this thread now .. Feck PM ridden buds .. Why would anyone in there right mind show and smoke this horrid shit for bud . Its like dumpster diving for lunch !

Best method to rid PM only takes two items , gasoline and match !

I.have a sealed room no pm issues accept on one og. Thats gone now. With the herpies / pm comment, you are obviously quoting one of my posts from a while ago. Pm is not always internal. Half the time its caused by environment. With humidity fluctuations or poor air flow pm can appear. If environment is not constant, you will get pm regardless of genetics.

Hyroot,
You do have a good understanding about pm, but the herpie thing is a term I heard back in the day from an old schooler ,not from your post

hey everyone!

sorry for my recent absence... the roommate in charge of the comcast bill lagged on paying it, and other funds are tapped to pay it right away... *sigh* such is life with internet access only at work...

in any case, Chaz, my sympathies for the PM in that garden. i doubt that there is a single grower among us that hasn't personally had to do battle with PM. as such, i really don't get why things got so out of control here in the past few pages...

my $0.02 on what to do about that garden, for the future, would be to get hepa filtration on the intake air. i use a Dust Shroom for my 8" inline to pull air in to the room from outdoors. it's a zero cfm loss hepa filter and i love it. then i get redundant with a thera-pure hepa/ion/uv-c filter that is ducted to push air from the room into the tent, where it exits via 2 duct openings on the ends of the tent. i then use a duhumidifier in the room to keep all the RH in there at 50-55%. also, get hella fans in there. i have 2 tower fans, one at each end of the tent, that oscillates and does the "breeze" thing where it's always changing the output speed... that also helps the girls get all fat n strong on the branches, which lends to them not needing so much support for them BIG PHAT NUGS!

before hepa, i had PM with temp/RH swings, but there were a few plants that NEVER got it, regardless of how much leaf rubbing it did with neighbors that had PM (the Oregon Licorice is, for all intents and purposes, immune to PM).

as far as dealing with PM when you can't take measures to correct the environmental issues that allow it to recur, i recommend Nuke Em, from Flying Skull. i want to explain tho, that this is a product suggestion based ONLY on the performance of the product, not because i like to support the company that makes it. it's overpriced for yeast water with some food preservatives in it ($55/quart, and you use 1-1.5 ounces per liter of water), but it really is the pimp's dick. it kills mites too, even their eggs. i've had to spray it with lights on, under the Inda-Gro's, and it doesn't cause any burns. while i refrain from spraying in bloom if possible, sometimes you just have to, and this stuff if great for those times. also, i have, in the past, sprayed it on a few nugs that had light PM as i was harvesting, and once they were dry and cured, i personally smoked them myself and compared them to un-sprayed buds. you could not tell the difference. even the BHO i made from the 2 sets was the same. that amazed me, as BHO is always a good gauge of how clean the plants were kept as they were grown.

in any event, my girls are moving along, and i'll try to get around to a video tonight, so i can upload it from work tomorrow. last night was day 37 for the Rhino and Blueberry, and 26 for the Cannatonic and the Qrazy Train (TW pheno). i also ended up having to bring the Cannatonic in that was going outside. shes on day 6 of the tent, unknown total day progression.. but she's not ready yet. well, i need to go burn one.... ttfn!

Just for the record I have delt with pm myself more than once. Spliff was right that most of us have probably have had to do battle with this shit but my big problem is that those buds in Chaz's pics will more than likely be sold to unsuspecting people. The pm in the pics doesn't scare me as much as the grey mold on the pic that is turned sideways. Thing is covered, not just a spot or two at harvest,but totally covered witch is a different story. Two years ago some old dirty med grower in my town went to jail cause two or three of his patients went to the hospital for respitory issues. As far as the Sandusky thing I was just trying to make a joke. Anyways, in the next week or so I will be harvesting some Fruity Chronic Juice, violator kush and kosher kush that was grown from seed. All looks very nice but the kosher is some DANK. Smells like a sweet diesel or something along those lines. I can see why it has done so well at the cups. Up next for the flower room is 2 cheese quakes, 2 crazy trains and one 3D. All are f-1s and are freaking out in thier ten gallon pots. Would like to flip them now before they get any bigger but have no room. Well I have the room for them but not enough light. Maybe it's time to pick up my 4th 420.
Peace out

Hey Spliff! Good to hear back from you bro. Tell your roomie to keep comcast happy. I missed seeing your gardens.

Thanks for the advice on inline filtering, which we have, but especially on the secondary thera-pure hepa/ion/uv-c filter. I think that's the direction we're going to head. Hopefully the next round won't have any PM at all but if we do, this NukeEm looks like it would work as a food grade insecticide and fungicide. I'll be picking some up as a bit of insurance. But now you got me pining for some of that Oregon Licorice just to see, if nothing else, what makes it so damn hardy!

I was around when the Athena Kush came down so I got these to share.

You guys are a bunch of dirt merchants!! It's people like you with hazardous standards that got me growing/caregiving for myself, love ones, and friends....don't worry, you aren't the only one-clubs where I'm from are flooded with horrible meds grown by horrible people...carry on; hopefully more people will concerned with issues like this and appropriate testing will keep products like this from making into the hands of people who need real, healing medicine!! I'm blessed my jars are full of organic dank!!

Hi guys. Happy to see this thread still going, I've been busy with school. Anyone have a harvest from the indagro since september lol I'm ashamed I've been gone that long

I'll update a new garden I'm setting up in the next couple of weeks.

Anyone near Long Beach CA this weekend hit up the Maximum Yield indoor garden expo. There is an absolute ton of swag to be had and well worth the visit. check it out if you can make it

http://indoorgardenexpo.com/

chazbolin said:

I'll update a new garden I'm setting up in the next couple of weeks.

Anyone near Long Beach CA this weekend hit up the Maximum Yield indoor garden expo. There is an absolute ton of swag to be had and well worth the visit. check it out if you can make it

http://indoorgardenexpo.com/

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I'll be there

Anybody used the Pro 200 PAR? They compare it to a 400 MH or HPS. I've got 432 watts of HO T5's in a 2.5' x 4.5' cabinet and wondered if the Pro 200 on a mover would be a upgrade from the T5's.Do you think I would see a increase in yield or quality? I would also have room for supplemental lighting too. The Pro 420 looks like overkill and not efficient for this size cabinet.

I think a single 200 on a mover would only mean having to move the light in a cabinet that size about a foot of center in both directions especially at flower. The intensities are always greatest directly under the lamp so it would take a bit of experimentation in terms of travel and dwell but I think you'd prove up a nice harvest with that setup. If you go this route I for one would like to watch the grow.

The problem is that most lights won't optimize a 2.5' x 4.5' grow space,so I either have to get multiple small lights or a medium size on a mover or a large light but inefficient for the space. I'm leaning towards Inda-gro or a Area 51 LED set up.Any advice on a worth while upgrade from HO T5 would be appreciated.

captainmorgan said:

The problem is that most lights won't optimize a 2.5' x 4.5' grow space,so I either have to get multiple small lights or a medium size on a mover or a large light but inefficient for the space. I'm leaning towards Inda-gro or a Area 51 LED set up.Any advice on a worth while upgrade from HO T5 would be appreciated.

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A pro par420 will fit that space well with even coverage.

colocowboy said:

A pro par420 will fit that space well with even coverage.

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I'm looking for optimal use of watts per sq ft.I know I could just hang a 1000 watt HPS but that's not the best use of lighting.A pro 420 says it covers 25 SQ ft and I have 11.25 sq ft. That doesn't sound like efficiency. I'm looking for the best bang for the buck,not just throwing watts at it.I'm new to all this but I'm trying to use my resources wisely.

Well that did not do to much to help me, looked up inda grows address on google maps and it is pretty funny, looks like a junk yard with bars on the windows, thats a lot to pay for something that is coming from a roadside shake, so now my question to Red did you get one? I am starting off new and this is becoming harder than i thought, every time i find a good post it eliminates a grow media, light or nutrient that i think i like.

Is there a high quality induction light you recommend?

What's funny? They've been located there for 20 years with side by side properties that cater to Inda-Gro and off their off grid division Fleet Systems as certified dealers for Kohler, Baldor and Power Tech generators. The same skilled techs who custom build controllers for the generator systems that you can see on news vans running inverter/generators, RV's, DOD, etc all over SoCal are the same ones building the Inda-Gro boards.

I've been in their facilities many times and it's not unusual to see a $$$ Prevost RV getting generator service next to a Border Patrol van. These are very sophisticated control systems. These people come there because they know what they're doing and when there is a problem they stop what they're doing and have look at it right away. In the case of Inda-Gro ballast board failures I've had three in two years. Every one was taken care of when I brought them in and I left with either a repaired or replaced ballast and in one case they cross shipped a ballast when I was up state.

A bit off topic for this thread but I bought a new 30kW Baldor diesel on a trailer with a sound attenuated housing (super quiet) for $12K (normally $20K) from them which I took up to Nor Cal for standby and have been running it for going on two years now without issue. Prior to the Baldor we had major issues with having enough power and having extended utility interruptions. The Baldor is setup on an ATS so that if we do lose utility power the gen kicks on and keeps us running for up to 5 days continuous.

Another little aside here goes to cutting back on monthly utility bills and reducing high wattage consumption patterns. Check out this 2 part video they made where they got this system down to under $5.00 per month through a hybrid approach of an inexpensive energy management program (TED), converting to lower wattage lamps, reduced HVAC loads, adding solar, and using a 10kw gas gen for standby. Other videos on this channel show how to setup larger generators to camlock systems that let you bring in large generators and quickly tie them in only when you need them.

[video=youtube;mkc4Be1PhPE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkc4Be1PhPE[/video]

So you can certainly spend more $$$ with companies that have massive parking lots and all leather reception areas which of course would be your prerogative. But I posit that in an actual side by side product comparison the reception area will not weigh into the equation but the passion that goes through the company and into products that help folks grow their own food/meds, save energy, reduces grid dependence and after the sale product support will make for a better determinate of value.

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In the case of Inda-Gro ballast board failures I've had three in two years. Every one was taken care of when I brought them in and I left with either a repaired or replaced ballast and in one case they cross shipped a ballast when I was up state.

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I'm interested in the Inda gro lights and like that you say they have great warranty service but wonder about their failure rate. You had three go bad out of how many lights in two years?

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I'm looking for optimal use of watts per sq ft.I know I could just hang a 1000 watt HPS but that's not the best use of lighting.A pro 420 says it covers 25 SQ ft and I have 11.25 sq ft. That doesn't sound like efficiency. I'm looking for the best bang for the buck,not just throwing watts at it.I'm new to all this but I'm trying to use my resources wisely.

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I mean no disrespect but the intensity at that height is not what will do it for you, believe me when I say it will fit that space fairly well and will not be overkill. I am not just pulling it out my nether region, that is about perfect. The numbers by comparison on their site are a bit overstated. The intensity comparison is watt to watt, the coverage area is wider if compared watt to watt so the numbers start getting fuzzy. Just being real from usage, the sweet spot for bigger nuggs shrinks the footprint. These are expensive and if you are trying to max your investment then the price of disappointment rises quick given the price diff between these lamps. My .02

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I'm interested in the Inda gro lights and like that you say they have great warranty service but wonder about their failure rate. You had three go bad out of how many lights in two years?

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I've had a hand in a little over 200 of these lamps being installed now so all I can tell you is that when they fail it's usually because the customer I helped setup had questionable branch circuit wiring and there was voltage drop. Of the three that went bad two were from the same job. So I went over and did a voltage reading when all the lights were on and one leg of a 240 volt system at the main was down to 105 volts and the other phase was up to 128. We went through the service and found a loose neutral wire at the main and the phases evened out @ 120v. The thing about that job was the only time the voltages went wonky was when the rooms were lit off and the AC was running. Without loads the voltages read bitchin. Just mentioning this because these are electronic circuit boards that run the lamps and if you drop down voltage too low it raises current and will fry the power MOSFETS. They can be fixed but I don't know how so IG did it and showed me what to look for and sure enough that was the culprit. Branch circuit wiring to the lights. Fixed that and he hasn't had an issue since.

Just a reminder; another thing to NOT do is run too small or too long a cord to your loads. Nothing under a 16/3 or longer than a 25' cord goes in my rooms. Saved a lot of equipment that way over the years.

Have a great weekend everyone!