Indians And How The World Could Benefit.

Alright guys, just smoked a bowl and a thought has occurred to me. If Christianity was not the main religion, maybe oh maybe the people of the world would have a religion based on the earth around them. Maybe then the world would be wayyyyyy more respected and the earth would be less industrialized and more foresty. Now, we have a thing called global warming. First off, the more trees would decrease CO2 levels. And secondly there would be hardly any CO2 emitting devices. Anyways off of global warming. I, like hopefully many of you, greatly dislike the media and capitalism. It causes people great hardship worrying about money and material goods. If we lived like natives did long ago, the world would be at peace and a much cleaner place. So this leads back to chrisianity and how a religion based on the earth would be a nicer place. Thank you for taking time to read this vent session.

The 'Seven Generations' is definitely a better approach than 'Maximize Profit in this Quarter' trend that we see today.

Its a nice thought, the only problem I see is that if the world's predominant religion through history was say one like a native American's or an aboriginal type belief, then I don't think we would all be sitting here behind our advanced technology computers talking about growing weed with our high intensity lights. I'm not saying Christianity has advanced our technology, far far from it, but a nature type belief system I do believe would have slowed technological advancements greatly.

I completely agree with you, but just for the sake of conversation, if we continued as the gentleman pointed out and became more civilized but with a great connection to the Earth, is it possible we would have developed a communication technique of some kind. Maybe we would have practiced and evolved telepathic power, rather than using technology as a crutch. Just a thought.

Peace

krustofskie said:

Its a nice thought, the only problem I see is that if the world's predominant religion through history was say one like a native American's or an aboriginal type belief, then I don't think we would all be sitting here behind our advanced technology computers talking about growing weed with our high intensity lights. I'm not saying Christianity has advanced our technology, far far from it, but a nature type belief system I do believe would have slowed technological advancements greatly.

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This is probably true, BUT. Does technology improve the quality of life? I don't think so. I'm sure it does with MRIs and things of that nature but I think a world without all the fancy tech would be nice. Just people, animals, and the earth. No nuclear devices, no biochemical warfare, no poverty because of the void of currency, just tribes of people living off the land.

Mr.KushMan said:

Maybe we would have practiced and evolved telepathic power, rather than using technology as a crutch. Just a thought.

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That's LaMarckian genetics. Evolution doesn't work that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Lamarck

Hashbob Potpants said:

This is probably true, BUT. Does technology improve the quality of life? I don't think so. I'm sure it does with MRIs and things of that nature but I think a world without all the fancy tech would be nice. Just people, animals, and the earth. No nuclear devices, no biochemical warfare, no poverty because of the void of currency, just tribes of people living off the land.

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We have an interesting trade off. Without tech, no advanced medicine. But also no wars causing huge loss of life.

No wars, few sudden surges of technology prior to the computer age. So no medicine, then huge loss of life via pandemic, or maybe not because without the technology there would be no rapid vectors.

Could have, should have, would have.

being 1 with the planet
means thats we would have never advanced past basic need's of life ,the earth around us would have supplyed everything we needed - we would have never advanced past the discovery of fire- anything else would have and has harmed the planet,. there are tribes that they find in south america & africa that has been untouched buy advancements in tech. needless to say i would not want to live like that even if it would save the planet- i could not see not having power and gas and cars and computers and 50in led flat hd screens (with dvr) and cancer causing cellphones- and it takes very large, o-zone, planet distroying tech in order to make each non-moving parts and or chip, or even to build the tech, that will be used to build the tech , that will fix those item.

do you realize how much planet is harmed to make 1 screwdriver

think about it : food, clothing, and shelter anything and everything else is optional
and the optional shit is whats killing the planet - and i gat to have option

we will all be living like tribesman in the rainforest and that i cant do unless i had to

I am mostly in concurrence with Morgentalers response. Modern medicine can treat the masses better through modern advancements in technology, provided you find the right doctors with the right experience and have the right insurance.
In the end, medicine runs our country with its capitalistic stranglehold over alternative theories and overall potential. We are being lead in the direction of greenbacks in our congress' back pockets as they push a f'd up healthcare bill through as we speak.
Lets spend another trillion we dont have to provide legal insurance to a few illegals amoung others, complements of you and your children's children (the tax payers of it all)

The AMA, and pharmacueticals and like minded western medicine bufoons have deliberately turned alternative theories into make beleive quacks, keeping the flow of currency isolated to a fews back pockets.
WHy are we worried about a few people who dont have ins. when the country is already bankrupt? Great idea, lets borrow more from other coutries til we no longer own the one we live in. NO FUCKING THANKS>

True indian medicine men are connected with the earth in ways some cannot fathom. The medicine they need can even glow for them if it is what they need.
They can be in between two worlds simutaniously, I met a great one this past summer at his last sundance. His circle holds Sitting Bulls pipe.
One medicine man has even heated up rocks til they turned tomato red with his bare hands in ceremonies, another friend of mine saved a guy life at a ceremony sending electricity trhough his heart to kick start it.

We do not need technology; we need better understanding of what we are capable of without it. The Atlantians were perportedly advanced beyond our current spiritual understandings, and they were probably wiped out as an unintended consequence of such. We ultimately cannot harness something that is larger than us. The cycle continues, and people must die so all natural resources are not depleated too rapidly. Feasts an famines are each essential to natural selection and to suport its spontanious growth mechanisms. The world would be overrun with peope if accidents, wars, and other natural diasters didnt keep things in check.
I do practice indian sweat lodge type ceremonies, and if native indian ways were spread us wide, a lot of trees and rocks would be disappearing regularly at full moons! lol
The county the sundance was in has the worst umemployment rate in the entire US.
They are having difficulty recovering from having an entire country yanked out from under them for some reason...

morgentaler said:

We have an interesting trade off. Without tech, no advanced medicine. But also no wars causing huge loss of life.

No wars, few sudden surges of technology prior to the computer age. So no medicine, then huge loss of life via pandemic, or maybe not because without the technology there would be no rapid vectors.

Could have, should have, would have.

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maybe we could avoid the pandemic- but the advancement in medical tech truely has saved and made life longer (condoms) depheberlizers (shock strat you hart) pace makers, organ transplants
removing of your inpendix, antibiotics- even rubbing alcohol

no, im sorry i dont belive in the "we can all heal each other with out advance tech"
lets hold hands and hum, sacifice a lamb and rub it blood on qwertz cristal, and the cancer will be gone", theroy if you get sick you can go to a witchdoc. if you want thats just less of a line in the er for me

Lets see, a good crack from a good chiropractor and direct spinal alignment with actual healing, or thousands in wasted efforts via ER visit costs, prescriptions, blocks, and insurance premiums to be absorbed elswhere in our shitty system from these ER visits? We should have aright to choose any doctor we want, not just those who participate(in bed with) the rest of the system. Who should choose what treament we can recieve, and which supposed docs will be paid?

It is too close a call for me to decide...
I will personally use whatever works for each situation, but try to put as few processed chemicals in my body as possible throughout the process, all the while paying healthcare premiums for limited service possibilities.

The entire healthcare system is a monopoly if any hadnt realized it yet; being revised, well crafted and articulated now, and lining up the companies who have lined your congressmens pockets. Its thousand of pages for many reason$$$$$$$

We will get whats coming to us in this future healthcare bill; and free society will be determined by whats in it.

That 5hit said:

maybe we could avoid the pandemic- but the advancement in medical tech truely has saved and made life longer (condoms) depheberlizers (shock strat you hart) pace makers, organ transplants
removing of your inpendix, antibiotics- even rubbing alcohol

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Defibrillators actually stop your heart. It gives your autonomic system a chance to reset when the muscles are wigging out

Defib will stop a working heart, this guy was into a thrid failed attempt at recusitation(Spelling?) when me buddy kick started him back to life, as a human defib.

Sparky4u said:

Lets see, a good crack from a good chiropractor and direct spinal alignment with actual healing, or thousands in wasted efforts via ER visit costs, prescriptions, blocks, and insurance premiums to be absorbed elswhere in our shitty system from these ER visits? We should have aright to choose any doctor we want, not just those who participate(in bed with) the rest of the system. Who should choose what treament we can recieve, and which supposed docs will be paid?

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When chiropracty is done by honest professionals for what it's intended, it can help. But in the UK you have people claiming that cracking your back or neck will help with diabetes, and all kinds of other unjustified and unscientific claims.

Homeopathy, the dilution of molecules of substance in water claims that you gain power from the attributes of something that has passed through the water. When you see the molecular rating on the bottles, a 30C for example, that solution is claiming to have been diluted with more molecules of water than exist on earth. If homeopathy really worked, one molecule of strychnine in the great lakes would kill every human being exposed to drinking water from them.

There are some great medicines out there that are coming from aboriginals, willow bark tea being one of the greatest finds - it became aspirin. Curare and other poisons will provide us with treatments for nerve disorders.

The trick is getting that knowledge into the hands of the "open patent" groups. The guys who patent the knowledge and make it freely available. Corporations just want to steal the knowledge of the rain forests et al, and control it, and the broken patent system in the US allows them to patent existing molecules, genes, and methods.

I have never done it, and I cant say all can heal each other either. All should die eventually to give the earth a quality colon cleansing.

The indians had it right when they lived beleived we dont own anything. We came from the earth, and we will return to it. Speaking of broken systems, They had their land swiped with a treaty they never signed and could not comprehend the meaning of land ownership. Then after we found gold on the part we gave them, we took that back too, called them savages to make it official and drove them into a perpetual dependancy.

Sitting Bull would never have laid his bow down if he knew how it would have turned out.

Finding a real chiropractor is problem anywhere, including the states. The allignment of the spine influences our chemical balances, or lack thereof. CHemicals react differently when their supplies are cut off or altered. I know when I am getting sick by my lower back feeling swollen from the inside out, and getting it adjusted will return me to health faster than getting a two week dose of pills to get you over the secondary infection.
Sicknesses and infections are often byproducts of misaligned spines and influenced chemical and PH balances amoung other things.
Yes our bodies need specific ph's in order to function properly as well. Why dont modern docs check these kinds of things out when you go see them? They already have the script picked out for you in accordance to kickbacks.

i read you but still there are current things that i cant live with out
thing that i know have been killing the planet
like our modern sewage system- they disstroy a lot of land to build these system and pipes - i could not think of not having it - running pipes in the ground to and from the house is the way to go even if the pipe our made of harmfull degrading shit