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realmeduser

realmeduser

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Brian Savage said:
We have a new government and a new minister of justice. I trust that left-outs would never actually face charges from the crown for growing their limit on their MMAR paperwork.
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The fact remains that the law is the law, and the crown will say that the left outs have a legal option to purchase under the mmpr, but chose to wilfully break the law. The crown believe the lp weed is good and is not schwag, and if you plead poverty they will say well, you could always sell your grow equipment and buy weed.
Or something similar.
And it will fuck up your life.
I keep expecting to find a post here saying what phelan is doing.
Sooner or later.
 
Brian Savage

Brian Savage

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And the constitution is the constitution. The last government passed unconstitutional legislation(which has been challenged and awaiting judgement). It has already been ruled on in Canada that a person who is medically approved by a physician has a constitutional right to reasonable access to cannabis. MMPR is NOT reasonable access. I would not be able to afford any of my 135 grams a month nor would it be covered by any medical insurance. Precedent has already been set that in Canada you DO NOT have to choose between your health or your liberty. Good Luck to any crown prosecutor that thinks they will get charges to stick on an MMAR left out.
 
realmeduser

realmeduser

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You and I believe that the mmpr is not reasonable access. So do the other 30 people who regularly come to post on this forum.
The straightjohn community and government people would beg to differ.
Perhaps the charges would not result in a conviction, but your life would be completely fucked over in the meantime.
I would not be able to afford my 270 grams a month either under the mmpr. Hell, I don't even know if they would be allowed to sell me that amount. ( and if I had the 2700 a month to pay for it, I would buy a complete grow room in lieu of mmpr weed....)
 
torontomeds

torontomeds

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realmeduser said:
The fact remains that the law is the law, and the crown will say that the left outs have a legal option to purchase under the mmpr, but chose to wilfully break the law. The crown believe the lp weed is good and is not schwag, and if you plead poverty they will say well, you could always sell your grow equipment and buy weed.
Or something similar.
And it will fuck up your life.
I keep expecting to find a post here saying what phelan is doing.
Sooner or later.
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\Sounds like you need a better lawyer. Fact is I can prove that the strains are no good, I can also prove that I do not spray my herb and LPs do. Fact is the MMPR does not offer what I need.
 
torontomeds

torontomeds

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Brian Savage said:
And the constitution is the constitution. The last government passed unconstitutional legislation(which has been challenged and awaiting judgement). It has already been ruled on in Canada that a person who is medically approved by a physician has a constitutional right to reasonable access to cannabis. MMPR is NOT reasonable access. I would not be able to afford any of my 135 grams a month nor would it be covered by any medical insurance. Precedent has already been set that in Canada you DO NOT have to choose between your health or your liberty. Good Luck to any crown prosecutor that thinks they will get charges to stick on an MMAR left out.
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Exactly, not to mention if you cook with your herb, LPs are not forced to tell you if it has been sprayed, they do not have to tell you if it was covered in spider mites and predator mites. I refuse to cook with herb that could be contaminated by my standers. Also if the crow even tried to go the road if Tweeds strains being good enough for me, all I have to do is say well how can that be when they do not know the true origins of the strains they have? they got them from dirty mmar grows, mislabeled strains, I would request that the court ask tweed to hand over any documents with in regards to the DnA visit, why you ask? well because Dna came in and basically told tweed that all the strains they have from the DNA catalog are wrong, not the right phenos and in some cases not even the same strain at all. So now tell how the f**k am I sapouse to buy from them?
 
realmeduser

realmeduser

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You are preaching to the choir, but most mmar patients have meager funds with which to defend themselves against the government. Proving all of the above without a high priced lawyer would be an uphill battle for the healthiest and wealthiest.
Not to mention the fact that legal aid will not pay for a lawyer in BC unless the crown is asking for a custodial sentence. So an uneducated med patient is left battling the crown and getting stomped into the ground because the crown has 1000 angles and the med patient does not even understand the rules of evidence.
 
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bcbreeder

bcbreeder

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You nailed it exactly realmed we hear about these great and valid arguments, but you still gotta fight em out,
I naively thought crown dropped charges on med grows like at some point when they apparently did
But if crowns boss directs them as to present policy which is to take each case to a conclusion
Then you gotta fight and at that point I would recommend shooting for a guilty plea on the condition crown considers
Your medical needs . Crown will agree to not seek a custodial sentence if you can prove your medical,
So you go into your one day sentencing hearing, dump on crowns lap your medical proof,
Reference letters, sad story etc, crown will ask fir a one year house arrest with having to be home
Six days a week 23 hours a day. Your lawyer , id recommend tousaw, gets up and pitches you as medical,
There is no room hear for challenges constitutionality due to sheer cost, so
Judge goes away with a bunch of case law in his lap from crown and defense,
Defense asks for absolute discharge,
Judge goes away for lunch and you will come back with either an absolute discharge, or conditional
Great win ya, plus the fallout,
Plus EVERYONE who gets a discharge gets a ten year weapons ban, so
Even years after your record gets expunged, your weapons ban will be on ne computer,
Have fun at roadside stops...








realmeduser said:
You are preaching to the choir, but most mmar patients have meager funds with which to defend themselves against the government. Proving all of the above without a high priced lawyer would be an uphill battle for the healthiest and wealthiest.
Not to mention the fact that legal aid will not pay for a lawyer in BC unless the crown is asking for a custodial sentence. So an uneducated med patient is left battling the crown and getting stomped into the ground because the crown has 1000 angles and the med patient does not even understand the rules of evidence.
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yiy
 
FruitvaleFreedomFighter

FruitvaleFreedomFighter

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bcbreeder said:
You nailed it exactly realmed we hear about these great and valid arguments, but you still gotta fight em out,
I naively thought crown dropped charges on med grows like at some point when they apparently did
But if crowns boss directs them as to present policy which is to take each case to a conclusion
Then you gotta fight and at that point I would recommend shooting for a guilty plea on the condition crown considers
Your medical needs . Crown will agree to not seek a custodial sentence if you can prove your medical,
So you go into your one day sentencing hearing, dump on crowns lap your medical proof,
Reference letters, sad story etc, crown will ask fir a one year house arrest with having to be home
Six days a week 23 hours a day. Your lawyer , id recommend tousaw, gets up and pitches you as medical,
There is no room hear for challenges constitutionality due to sheer cost, so
Judge goes away with a bunch of case law in his lap from crown and defense,
Defense asks for absolute discharge,
Judge goes away for lunch and you will come back with either an absolute discharge, or conditional
Great win ya, plus the fallout,
Plus EVERYONE who gets a discharge gets a ten year weapons ban, so
Even years after your record gets expunged, your weapons ban will be on ne computer,
Have fun at roadside stops...









yiy
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Your saying if you get an "absolute discharge" you are banned from carrying weapons and are on some kind of watch list!?

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bcbreeder

bcbreeder

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Yes, the strange but true statute of discharges whether absolute or conditional
Is that regardless of the case all recipients of a discharge get a 10 year weapons ban
Which of course goes on the cpic computer...
 
doingdishes

doingdishes

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you still have a record of the cops coming to visit..charges or not.
i know someone who was only visited by the cops and when she went to get a crim check, it was held up because of said "visit"
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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I dunno, I have had a few interactions with police, but never charged with anything. I was even questioned in regards to a missing person case because I knew the prime suspect...I got a criminal record check two years ago no problem. I have a buddy that got a ten year firearms ban for threatening someone with a bat...he's never held a gun in his life!
 
doingdishes

doingdishes

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VIANARCHRIS said:
I dunno, I have had a few interactions with police, but never charged with anything. I was even questioned in regards to a missing person case because I knew the prime suspect...I got a criminal record check two years ago no problem. I have a buddy that got a ten year firearms ban for threatening someone with a bat...he's never held a gun in his life!
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that's Government thinking-give someone a ban on something that's vaguely related. all i can see is they're both weapons..but that's where it ends in my mind.
where do they come up with those kinds of things?? attack with one weapon but get a ban on another......??
 
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Nadine Bews

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ispice said:
Thanks for the update, he mentions addressing Nadine Bews in his introduction, but I didnt read anything directed to her in his response.
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Conroy's concerns with Nadine Bews are cited in his statement where he states that he 'understands there are concerns with Wilcox's management style' and of course Conroy does not wish to discuss this matter in detail because it involves a great deal of unsavoury information that both Conroy and Wilcox would prefer to be withheld from the public and this is why I have demanded an investigation into the financial administration of the Coalition's affairs and the corporate conduct of Wilcox and his 'associates'. Mr. Conroy should learn about the 'law of association' and be careful of the company that he keeps.
 
The Hippy

The Hippy

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Nadine Bews said:
Bigmanc..Please be advised that there is nothing funny about kidnapping..it is an extremely frightening experience and an exercise in control and power over another human being.
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Yes of course it's not funny. I'm sure Manc was misunderstood.
Kidnapping is of course a very serious matter and I hope it gets investigated if it needs to be. If the fact are repeatable please tell them here. I'd be quite annoyed if my money was used for that in any way. Or contributed to it happening. I thought I was donating to a fight for the right to grow meds.
Not the Wilcox drama series of nefarious activities.
 
bcbreeder

bcbreeder

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How much did you contribute hippy,
Hey Nadine what was the levels of contribution amongst mmar growers, dg's
Did big ones with big licenses contribute?
Or was it only the little med growers??
Did the larger contributors\major players have a bigger influence instructing
The case , i.e. grandfathering certain people and leaving out the others kinda
Accidently on purpose
 
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