injunction/court case updates

CalyxCrusher · Feb 25, 2016

ricky1lung said:
I don't think it will be too far off now.
They need the new stream of tax revenues badly to offset spending.
Their buddies need to protect their investments and crop out in a rec market or lose it all.

I don't think rec will be too far off now.

Friends or not the Liberals have stated its a low priority on the long list of things to do. Years away, friends or not, democracy doesnt work that way. Maybe they shouldnt have thought they had such a sure thing going. Greedy fucks. Who cares about them if they have to wait?

spider9 · Feb 25, 2016

ricky1lung said:
Not for those who choose a dg, it won't.
By allowing home grows they allow access, by providing lp's as dg's they provide alternate sources.

I'm not saying it's good for people who need dg's, just speculating how they could create rules to support their buddies while rec is worked out and they have a larger market to supply.

and are lp's going to ship it to me at $1 a gram because I call them my DG and charge the next guy $10 a gram because you called them your LP and will they grow the exact strain I need just for me. it will never happen

ricky1lung · Feb 25, 2016

CalyxCrusher said:
Friends or not the Liberals have stated its a low priority on the long list of things to do. Years away, friends or not, democracy doesnt work that way. Maybe they shouldnt have thought they had such a sure thing going. Greedy fucks. Who cares about them if they have to wait?

If they have to wait and go under, I'm fine with that. It really won't change anything for me.

I do remember the Harpco days and their majority though, and how quickly things changed and laws were passed.

A legal rec market in Canada is estimated to be in the billions per year, add on enforcement costs that are saved and it helps the liberals bottom line and record on the economy.

Its politics and money.

nohibition · Feb 25, 2016

I can say I feel a lot better about throwing up a greenhouse this year. Maybe I should increase the sq footage.

ricky1lung · Feb 25, 2016

spider9 said:
and are lp's going to ship it to me at $1 a gram because I call them my DG and charge the next guy $10 a gram because you called them your LP and will they grow the exact strain I need just for me. it will never happen

I'm saying that rules could be created so lp's are the only dg's allowed.
They could do it because they have to allow homegrows and could disguise it as an alternative source for approved meds.

They have to create new rules, of course lp's will be part of that. I'm purely speculating how the gov will protects the investments made and protect a supply they'll need when they legalize rec.

doingdishes · Feb 25, 2016

itsmehigh said:
I think plant count will be a huge issue. Anybody read the entire decision? It was mentioned that 1-5 grams a day is the average and Canada is well above that average at 18. An expert said that he could get the same off 6 plants as 600, and that the effectiveness diminishes on a u curve, consuming more has no bennifit.

Itsme.

this is from the decision
[210]
Secondly, this assumption implies that the average MMAR patient, who is currently authorized to consume approximately 18 grams a day, will suffice on 1 to 5 grams a day. This conclusion cannot be made by the Court because such a conclusion ignores the evidence on tolerance, method of consumption and other personal characteristics and needs of the individual.
The Court is in no position to establish the maximum dosages which should be made available.

nohibition · Feb 25, 2016

Medical Insurance will be available eventually and that will mitigate some of the costs for the financially challenged. In the mean time many will try growing and will soon realise how much work is involved, especially non smokers who will want to grow sufficient amount to make medibles and then there is the neighbors issue, I'm sure that is going to rear it's ugly head.

nohibition · Feb 25, 2016

How do you show a like for a post?

CalyxCrusher · Feb 25, 2016

ricky1lung said:
I'm saying that rules could be created so lp's are the only dg's allowed.
They could do it because they have to allow homegrows and could disguise it as an alternative source for approved meds.

They have to create new rules, of course lp's will be part of that. I'm purely speculating how the gov will protects the investments made and protect a supply they'll need when they legalize rec.

Itd be a barrier to access by not allowing you to choose a DG. What your talking about wouldnt be much different than being forced into the MMPR. You cant force patients. Period

doingdishes · Feb 25, 2016

johny sunset said:
http://www.nhpconsulting.ca/blog/allard-decision-marijuana/

Found this to be a great rundown of the verdict and also some very interesting comments on the future of the new mmpr

"Third, we’re not rewinding back to the MMAR system. “It is neither feasible nor appropriate to order the Defendant to reinstate the MMAR” (p.101) and the verdict is making room “to permit Canada to enact a new or parallel medical marihuana regime” (p.102). If I’m reading in between the lines, it means that, while people will grow their own product for medical reasons (with a permit from Health Canada), we won’t see designated growers anymore. In other words, MMAR designated growers have until August 2016 to shut down their operations."

very unconstitutional..."you can't have a production license because you are too sick to do it yourself" that's why DG's came into the picture

Gmack420 · Feb 25, 2016

That would be restricting access. The judge just said no to the mmpr for just that reason. Dg's aren't going anywhere. Hope your stock goes to 0 bud.

ricky1lung · Feb 25, 2016

CalyxCrusher said:
Itd be a barrier to access by not allowing you to choose a DG. What your talking about wouldnt be much different than being forced into the MMPR. You cant force patients. Period

I know. By having homegrows legal, they can then say they have not forced anyone to use a dg.

By only allowing lp types as dg's they can then say they provide approved meds as an alternative to home production. They can force people to obtain their meds from approved sources. Those sources could then have rules written so strict only current lp's would meet the restrictions.

They can do it, I'd bet they will as a short term solution to lp's to ensure a supply they will need for a rec market and to protect the millions of investments.

This is not restricting access because everyone will have the legal ability to self produce.

The Hippy · Feb 25, 2016

ricky1lung said:
I know. By having homegrows legal, they can then say they have not forced anyone to use a dg.

By only allowing lp types as dg's they can then say they provide approved meds as an alternative to home production.

They can do it, I'd bet they will as a short term solution to lp's to ensure a supply they will need for a rec market and to protect the millions of investments.

This is not restricting access because everyone will have the legal ability to self produce.

Give it up Fella...The LP's are DEAD in the water now. Good riddens to them and their greed. Legalization is too far off to save them now...love it by the way.
Now they can fight for the few suckers who'd still buy their trash weed. They be gettin exactly what the Hippy had planned for them. Fucked up the ass...like they wanted to do to me. Fuck you LP's and anyone who supported them. YOU LOST...HEAR ME...YA LOST...hahahahahahaha
And why should my government prop up a private business. They fuckin well better not.
@ricky1lung Why should we care if they fold? My Gov. better let em eek it out on their own.

ricky1lung · Feb 25, 2016

The Hippy said:
Give it up Fella...The LP's are DEAD in the water now. Good riddens to them and their greed. Legalization is too far off to save them now...love it by the way.
Now they can fight for the few suckers who'd still buy their trash weed. They be gettin exactly what the Hippy had planned for them. Fucked up the ass...like they wanted to do to me. Fuck you LP's and anyone who supported them. YOU LOST...HEAR ME...YA LOST...hahahahahahaha
And why should my government prop up a private business. They fuckin well better not.
@ricky1lung Why should we care if they fold? My Gov. better let em eek it out on their own.

I don't care if they fold.
I'm a realist, the cup isn't half full or half empty. It's full of piss.

I haven't lost, we all won.

But you're wrong hippy, this won't kill lp's. This will speed up the process and create lp's bigger than you ever imagined. There is too much money involved and those who think lp's will pack up and suffer the losses are wrong.

They already have too much money to support their cause and they will continue.
Some will fold, some will grow like crazy.

Gquebed · Feb 25, 2016

I dont think LPs are dead in the water. That is grossly underestimating how lazy most people really are....lol

The Hippy · Feb 25, 2016

ricky1lung said:
I don't care if they fold.
I'm a realist, the cup isn't half full or half empty. It's full of piss.

I haven't lost, we all won.

But you're wrong hippy, this won't kill lp's. This will speed up the process and create lp's bigger than you ever imagined. There is too much money involved and those who think lp's will pack up and suffer the losses are wrong.

They already have too much money to support their cause and they will continue.
Some will fold, some will grow like crazy.

Big business goes outta business regularly...no customer equals failure. Simple and you'll see it happen fast.
A few may make it...but not if I can help it. Sell you stock...quick.
We ARE the culture...not LP's. they were a band aid that failed.

ricky1lung · Feb 25, 2016

The Hippy said:
Big business goes outta business regularly...no customer equals failure. Simple and you'll see it happen fast.
A few may make it...but not if I can help it. Sell you stock...quick.
We ARE the culture...not LP's. they were a band aid that failed.

This has most likely accelerated an explosion in sales and customers.

We'll have to wait and see what's tabled in the hoc in the next year for mj.

nohibition · Feb 25, 2016

No one is going to fold up and walk away from a multi billion dollar industry. The LPs will be here forever. If Joe Blow wants to buy from an LP it's fine with me, it's called freedom, and we are proud of it. There's plenty to go around for growers, DGs and LPs. In the end it will be an individual choice. I for one will carry on as usual as I have always planned to regardless of the outcome.

The Hippy · Feb 25, 2016

I'd say the explosion is in folks laughing and running away from the forced captors they had been given. They ( LP's ) just got fucked royally....it's plain as day.

The Hippy · Feb 25, 2016

nohibition said:
No one is going to fold up and walk away from a multi billion dollar industry. The LPs will be here forever. If Joe Blow wants to buy from an LP it's fine with me, it's called freedom, and we are proud of it. There's plenty to go around for growers, DGs and LPs. In the end it will be an individual choice. I for one will carry on as usual as I have always planned to regardless of the outcome.

Feel free to buy from any LP you want....while the rest of us don't. They were hurting before the ruling...they gonna hurt worse now.
Less customers doesn't equal good times.

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