Inoculations?

Interested to hear what everyone’s using for their inoculations?

I’m thinking about adding rootwise to my weekly inoculations of EWC, recharge & Fish Sh!t. Trying to keep as much diversity as possible which is why I’m thinking about adding Rootwise to the routine & dropping Recharge (a lot of crossover between the 2).

I got a few samples of Fish Sh!t & I’m liking it so far, but I’m also trying to figure out if I’m going to Re-up on fish sh!t when the samples run out or try something a bit less expensive like URB. Interested to hear about anyone using URB natural or Microbial Mass? Thoughts?

I’m also looking for something that’s fungal dominant besides mykos & azos (rootwise already has azos) to keep my medium fungal dominant. Can anyone recommend a good product to keep my mediums fungal dominance?

I tried putting rice on top of my pots once and kept it moist, you could see the fungi coming from the rice.

I use this stuff called Quantum Growth - Total.

Not sure of its fungal dominance. I have fishshit and recharge too, and it seems to like the trio.

I use microbial mass fish shit and ewc tea and bokashi fish shit the best so far but it is exp.

Dreminen169 said:

Interested to hear what everyone’s using for their inoculations?

I’m thinking about adding rootwise to my weekly inoculations of EWC, recharge & Fish Sh!t. Trying to keep as much diversity as possible which is why I’m thinking about adding Rootwise to the routine & dropping Recharge (a lot of crossover between the 2).

I got a few samples of Fish Sh!t & I’m liking it so far, but I’m also trying to figure out if I’m going to Re-up on fish sh!t when the samples run out or try something a bit less expensive like URB. Interested to hear about anyone using URB natural or Microbial Mass? Thoughts?

I’m also looking for something that’s fungal dominant besides mykos & azos (rootwise already has azos) to keep my medium fungal dominant. Can anyone recommend a good product to keep my mediums fungal dominance?

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If I remember right, root zone temps play a large role in dictating what types of microbes become more dominant. I don't know a great deal about it specifically but it's worth looking into, along with soil temp probe readings.

As a disclaimer though, I dug into this stuff like a mad man years back. I eventually backed off and stopped using microbes alongside synthetics. Part of the reason for that was the realisation that nobody can tell you how many microbes are doing what you ''think'' they are doing. Millions of them can be sustained by your soil or your tea feeds while doing nothing to help the plants. Those populations are essentially free loaders, and at the cost of some of those products, no thanks. For me, that would have been tolerable if the end results were noticeably better than just running straight synthetics, their was no difference to me. It either didn't work, or it made no difference. If you are in pure organic then that's another story. But I'm just giving you a heads up, just because you are creating the conditions for millions of microbes, it doesn't mean they are all working exclusively for the plant. I would personally rather make my own worm castings etc, very cheap, and find a soil temp range that suites the microbes that I want to encourage.

I make my own with a little rice or a couple potatoes.

KNF IMO




JADAM JMS

xtsho said:

I make my own with a little rice or a couple potatoes.

KNF IMO

JADAM JMS

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Hah, back in the early days of unbridled capitalism, people like you magically disappeared.

I use EWC compost tea and EM1 for general microbial life.

I also root drench / foliar Bacillus amyloliquefaciens to prevent fungus like botrytis.

EM1 causes the most noticeable difference in soil health by far. I used to topdress bokashi but I get the same effect with EM1 without the cake layer on top of my soil.

Flowki said:

Hah, back in the early days of unbridled capitalism, people like you magically disappeared.

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We're making a comeback.

Just made new batch of labs love the stuff ….

sirtalis said:

foliar Bacillus amyloliquefaciens to prevent fungus like botrytis.

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Can you give more details on that?. How proven is it, no harmful effects, when to use etc.

Flowki said:

Can you give more details on that?. How proven is it, no harmful effects, when to use etc.

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Southern AG and Hydroguard both contains it. SouthernAG is not heavily watered down and overpriced compared to Hydroguard. Both contains Bacillus amyloliquefaciens. It's used to combat pathogens and parasitic oomycetes like Pythium.

It's widely used in hydroponics and gardening in general.

Wastei said:

Southern AG and Hydroguard both contains it. SouthernAG is not heavily watered down and overpriced compared to Hydroguard. Both contains Bacillus amyloliquefaciens. It's used to combat pathogens and parasitic oomycetes like Pythium.

It's widely used in hydroponics and gardening in general.

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Yep spot on. It essentially occupies areas of the plant where unwanted fungus can populate. I use the Southern Ag version, it's cheap and effective.

Wastei said:

Southern AG and Hydroguard both contains it. SouthernAG is not heavily watered down and overpriced compared to Hydroguard. Both contains Bacillus amyloliquefaciens. It's used to combat pathogens and parasitic oomycetes like Pythium.

It's widely used in hydroponics and gardening in general.

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Ok thank you, I will read more into it

Fishloaf said:

I use this stuff called Quantum Growth - Total.

Not sure of its fungal dominance. I have fishshit and recharge too, and it seems to like the trio.

Quantum Growth Organic Total

This organic formula supports plant and soil health with microbes, good bacteria, amino acids, & nutrients. For turf, flowers, fruit, & veggies. Shop now.

www.rockymountainbioag.com

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FWIW I didnt see any difference in yield using microherds as apposed to a sterile tank.

budman111 said:

FWIW I didnt see any difference in yield using microherds as apposed to a sterile tank.

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Good point. In hydro it only work as a preventative. We tell the same story all the time on here. The method is not important. Running alive with bennies or sterile system doesn't matter, it's how you implement it.

There's pros and cons with both but like you said there's no different in taste, yield or potency.

ukdave said:

I tried putting rice on top of my pots once and kept it moist, you could see the fungi coming from the rice.

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That’s a great idea, the closest IMO you can possibly get for the plants. They say the closest IMO is the best, however diversity is also key, so maybe I’ll try to capture an IMO when I’m on vacation as well and mix the 2 together.

Flowki said:

Millions of them can be sustained by your soil or your tea feeds while doing nothing to help the plants. Those populations are essentially free loaders, and at the cost of some of those products, no thanks. For me, that would have been tolerable if the end results were noticeably better than just running straight synthetics, their was no difference to me. It either didn't work, or it made no difference. If you are in pure organic then that's another story. But I'm just giving you a heads up, just because you are creating the conditions for millions of microbes, it doesn't mean they are all working exclusively for the plant.

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Yea, I’m running multiple different styles in different tents, KNF being one of them so the more the merrier, but I’ll keep that in mind for my synthetic supplemented girls. I can definitely see running synthetics & microbes can get super costly cuz I would imagine having to re inoculate way more frequently due to the fact that synthetics would be constantly battling your microherd in the rhizosphere, killing them off, & throwing everything out of balance which may be why you didn’t have much luck. But with a living soil you want as much circle of life killing as possible so the extra would definitely be welcomed & ultimately even the ‘useless ones’ would ultimately become useful.

sirtalis said:

EM1 causes the most noticeable difference in soil health by far. I used to topdress bokashi but I get the same effect with EM1 without the cake layer on top of my soil.

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That cake layer is super beneficial & I always aim to have that. You can easily soften it up with yucca & Humic’s if it gets hard, then your golden

Leeski said:

Just made new batch of labs love the stuff ….View attachment 4973802

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The reason I don’t like to add Labs in specific is because it’s super concentrated & the labs will outcompete everything else. LAB’s will naturally be in pretty much everything already & in amounts that won’t allow it to out compete the other microorganisms.

Just found this soil microbe test kit, anyone using something like this Does it do a decent job
For $150 might give it a try, could definitely be useful to tell you when to re inoculate that way your not overdoing it & throwing $ down the drain

ukdave said:

I tried putting rice on top of my pots once and kept it moist, you could see the fungi coming from the rice.

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When you added rice how much did you add? Also, did you have any problems with critters when you did this, specifically mice? Did it get funky after a while?

Dreminen169 said:

When you added rice how much did you add? Also, did you have any problems with critters when you did this, specifically mice? Did it get funky after a while?

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Better to do KNF IMO to control what get inoculated with what IMO. You basically make your own "mykos" powder/granules by drying the inoculated rice or potato starches.

@xtsho post a lot regarding Korean natural farming practices, he's a nice guy and a good source of information on here.