Corso312
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Simply not true, Its not ' free stuff' its redirecting moneys that are being pissed away.
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Simply not true, Its not ' free stuff' its redirecting moneys that are being pissed away.
londonfog
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I can actual find things that Hillary has done, as first lady and senator. Read up on Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
The question I asked is what has Bernie done.
Uncle Ben
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Ever heard of a lack of security, Islamic terrorism? Can't see the effects in the Middle East thanks to Obama's mandate to pull troops out of Iraq? Sheesh!
londonfog
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oh I know its not free stuff...sarcasm
again you need not raise taxes on everyone. Look at the military first
Corso312
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Corso312
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Military is great start, Its going to take more though, a lot more in fact.. 19 trill is a huge number.
Rob Roy
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Fogdog
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You have your opinion, I have mine. The difference between us is not nearly as large as the wing nuts that want to cut taxes without cutting spending, then run up the debt some more. In Kasichs' platform he embroils our forces in Iraq all over again, probably another unfunded war like we had earlier. I don't know if Cruz is a hawk like Special K but for sure he isn't going to buck the party line and cut defense spending.
Bernie isn't going to write the tax law if he's president anyway. He can give his budget to Congress and they decide. If you like Clinton's platform or at least think its better than Bernie's you are in good company. Just not mine for now.
Rob Roy
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It isn't ever going to be paid. You are being played.
londonfog
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raising someones taxes who only pulls in 30,000 is not the answer. so many places we can cut waste and the first thing Bernie says is "raise everyones taxes" GTFO. Raise taxes so Congress can find more ways to waste ..again GTFO
londonfog
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I live my life as a realist. Bernie talks of dreams and shit that would never get past congress...except the raising of taxes. Personally I'm tired of the gridlock of getting nothing done.
Fogdog
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Is not having gridlock and not getting anything done better? Because that's what I see Hillary proposing.
londonfog
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I can actually see Hillary getting something done. Do you really know what Hillary is proposing ?
Corso312
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More wars, no doubt.. Wall street and big banking will be very happy if she's in..she's a lapdog.
londonfog
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so I will take that as no
Google can be your friend. You just have to use it
Corso312
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What if the person making 30k is better off after no premiums or copays? They could be saving 5k a year.
Fogdog
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incrementalism. Some change in healthcare, some change in minimum wage, some change in military spending, some change in education, then let the lobbyists take it all away in the form of attachments to the bill. Then claim victory. You put your right foot in, you put your right foot out, you put your left foot in and shake it all about. You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around. That's what she's all about.
Again, you won't see gridlock but nothing will actually get done. She's the status quo candidate.
Still, better than anything coming from wing nuts.