doublejj
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If you would like to compare and contrast I believe that in Florida the republicans have a supermajority....
Is Biden really that bad?
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PJ Diaz
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When you use "the will of the people" in order to intentionally erode the democratic process, including that of checks and balances, you sound very undemocratic, no matter what political party you are affiliated with. It's really quite bewildering to hear you defend this stance.
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cannabineer
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It is a phrase that I associate with autocrats.
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doublejj
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No thanks I'll stay in California where they believe in science....
California COVID Deaths per 100,000: 0.07
Florida COVID Deaths per 100,000: 0.12
PJ Diaz
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At those rates and based on each state's populations, we're looking at under 30 covid deaths in each state. But your point was to look at the two state's budgets. I'm not sure how you segued into covid death rates, but that one in a million chance in Florida sure makes it sound like a nothing-burger.
doublejj
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my point was to look at each states supermajority policies... these COVID death rates are based on per 100,000 population and florida has almost twice as many COVID deaths per capita as California, why do you think that is?
PJ Diaz
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Yeah, I showed you the math, and at even double the rates, it's still basically meaningless. Death rates from the flu and and diabetes are much higher (over 100x) than the rates that you posted.
Fogdog
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If Democrats had not banned Gerrymandering in a few states, Democrats would have control of the House too.I said going in I didn't trust the polls and the republicans skewed them with junk polling 538 aggregates polls. I wouldn't bet a dime on the outcome because of all the variables and the political polling did not jibe with the polling on specific issues like abortion and guns among other policies. Keeping the house will be nothing short of a Miricale and even one seat short gives Joe room to maneuver and offer a plum job to the right republican.It's been done before and falls into the category of shenanigans.
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Fogdog
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contrary to what the media are saying. Aggregators like 538 were not wrong in their forecasts. The people who got it wrong are the media who thought 60% probability of Republicans winning the Senate meant Republicans WERE GOING to win the Senate.I said going in I didn't trust the polls and the republicans skewed them with junk polling 538 aggregates polls. I wouldn't bet a dime on the outcome because of all the variables and the political polling did not jibe with the polling on specific issues like abortion and guns among other policies. Keeping the house will be nothing short of a Miricale and even one seat short gives Joe room to maneuver and offer a plum job to the right republican.
DIY-HP-LED
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I'm glad ya held the line and now the republicans have moved their civil war internally, let's hope it leads to dissention in their ranks. If they win the house by a slim majority the few moderates will have just as much power as the nutjobs in their caucus, one or two might even vote for Pelosi as speaker to keep McCarthy or a nut out of the job. It might turn into old fashioned parliamentary democracy in the house with the nut jobs sidelined by the moderate republicans and democrats. The republican establishment wants to move to the center, but their base has a lot of inertia. Getting rid of Donald will help and is about due after the Georgia run off. They are running from him like he is on fire and about to explode, which he soon will, legally speaking.
Roger A. Shrubber
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so this means that democrats are 2.6 times better than republicans at running a state?
DIY-HP-LED
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When ya focus on getting common sense shit done for the common good, instead of scheming to fuck 20 or 30% of your population and yourself in the process, not a whole lot gets done except bad shit and corruption. You'll notice there are a lot of unhappy republicans in California, the place has more than almost any other state, despite being blue. Obviously, they are not worried about prosperity, they want tax cuts now! They will still whine bitch and complain no matter if Newsome gave them a million bucks out of the surplus FFS. Most who voted for Trump have a stray hair up their asses about something else and they are seldom honest about their true motives.
HGCC
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I wish mayor Pete had that vp spot, maybe let Beto hang out as vp like Kato in OJs pool house. Whoever is in that role as VP goes into 2024 (if Joe doesn't run) with a strong set of credentials. It doesn't seem like harris is doing much with it, it would be good to try and build the next generation of leaders. Buttigieg was a decent candidate IMHO, lack of experience held him back.
Newsom does seem like the only alternative option to biden from the political arena, I'm good with making America California. A couple other governors come up, but I don't think so. Idk, Joe is kinda the only game in town. Cory booker will run, some lincoln project republican, a billionaire. I don't see anyone that is more attractive as a candidate than Joe.
Newsom does seem like the only alternative option to biden from the political arena, I'm good with making America California. A couple other governors come up, but I don't think so. Idk, Joe is kinda the only game in town. Cory booker will run, some lincoln project republican, a billionaire. I don't see anyone that is more attractive as a candidate than Joe.
PJ Diaz
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I'm curious how you derive that from the graphs posted. California has double the population of Florida, so we'd want to consider that right off the bat. Next we'd want to consider cost of living differences, which is tricky because it depends on what cities you are comparing against, but generally speaking the cost of living in California is around 20% to 40% higher in California vs Florida. Once you add those variables to the math, you will find that Floridians are a bit better off economically vs Californians, if that is your metric for being "better at running a state". Of course, we all know that's only one facet in the big equation.
I do find the graphs posted interesting however, as I don't see the big pandemic dip in Florida's 2020 GDP that you see in California's due to the differences in lockdown policies.
PJ Diaz
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Why do I think that is? I'm not sure, there are many variables. Race, genetics, and ethnicity are certainly strong variables. One thing to consider is that Florida has a much higher black population compared to California, despite having an overall population half the size. Effectively Florida has 3x the ratio of a black population compared to California, while meanwhile it's been shown that black people are 3x more likely to get covid than whites. See the cool thing is that my statement is based on facts and figures, while your intimation that it somehow has to do with political differences is anecdotal at best, and a position based solely on correlation.
US blacks 3 times more likely than whites to get COVID-19
PJ Diaz
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The only reason that Mayor Pete ever got as far as he has is because he's another one of those politicians who have sold out to Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum. He was a "Young Leader" for the WEF before he ran for president.
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cannabineer
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Klaus Schwab, not the brokerage firmThe only reason that Mayor Pete ever got as far as he has is because he's another one of those politicians who have sold out to Charles Schwab and the World Economic Forum. He was a "Young Leader" for the WEF before he ran for president.
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PJ Diaz
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Haha, good catch. I'll edit that. I just finished a good sativa joint, and am kinda high.
doublejj
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I believe it is likely attributed to California's COVID mandates vs Florida's Vax denial policy...Why do I think that is? I'm not sure, there are many variables. Race, genetics, and ethnicity are certainly strong variables. One thing to consider is that Florida has a much higher black population compared to California, despite having an overall population half the size. Effectively Florida has 3x the ratio of a black population compared to California, while meanwhile it's been shown that black people are 3x more likely to get covid than whites. See the cool thing is that my statement is based on facts and figures, while your intimation that it somehow has to do with political differences is anecdotal at best, and a position based solely on correlation.
US blacks 3 times more likely than whites to get COVID-19
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