Is it worth $50 to you?

juicyjayz said:

NOT NESSECRALY DUDE..EVEN IF THEY DO TAX IT..WHICH THEY WILL...theyll still lose countless money seeing as the shift will turn from conventional medicine and cigarte smoking..to cannabis growing and smoking...also,how would you be able to tax it??Any doofus with a few cfls wil be able to grow it??...So whos gonna buy it at the local headshop when every guy in the block has atlaeast a few plants growing??!!

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BCtrippin said:

Why isnt every "doofus" who smokes cigarettes growing tobacco in their closet? Because not everyone wants to grow weed. Even if every guy on the block has a few plants growing doesnt mean Every person in USA will know a grower, and it surely doesnt mean everyone will want to sell their pot.

I really dont think the government will just open up a freeforall for anyone to grow weed. Im sure it will still be illegal to grow without proper permits or a license to grow.

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juicyjayz said:

dohh!! I forgot my other point..look at what happened during alcohol prohibtion..alot of us companies went bankrupt,and then turned alot of people into criminal in order to sell the alcohol..if they do allow certain people to grow.,.the avergae joe wont give a fuck,and will risk the slight ticket,etc to grow their own...major us medcine comnies will go bankrupt....as nonone will be able to preoperly tax it man..thats the whole reason..it IS a conspiracy man..

they allow people tobbaco and alcohol because they can directly tax it ,come on,nobody's gopnna bre their own beer or grow their own tobbaco,the costs,hassle is just not worth it when the pack of cigarrte is 3 bucks,and while beer might be costly..the avergae jope wont bother brewing their own...

hoever with weed...every bastrd with a backyard and a few seeds will have their own enedless supply..so any reason for legalizion,taxation,etcwill not be worth it..theyll LOSE money ...ALOT of it...

the u.s jail system contributes quite alot of money as a modern way of slavery,and human "taxation"....with every marijuana arrest they make in your county,city,etc..they gain money throguh w/e tickets,bond,court fees,tec the people have to pay..condering MILLIONS of people get arrested for cannabis each year,with each of them paying an avergae of 1;000 worth of fees...the money adds up..


ITS A CONPIRACY..THEYLL NEVER LEGALIZE IT PIOHJT BLANK!!!!!

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BCtrippin said:

....I think you meant point blank??


I totally disagree with you here though. They could Easily tax marijuana. Anything that can be sold can be taxed. Theres a HUGE market for marijuana, they can tax it if they want to.

During prohibition everyone brew their own alcohol because they couldnt get it legally. Its the exact same situation with weed. If weed gets legalized its not going to be legal for everyone to grow weed whenever they want. And theres all kinds of people who arent going to risk their job, family, or career to save some money by growing weed and not buying from the store.

Im sorry, but your argument fails. The only reason its not legal is because of the disinformation thats been spread for the last 50 years. Once the real facts about marijuana get out then theres literally no reason for it to be illegal.

Most of the people who are advocates for marijuana being illegal have Never even seen real weed in their life. Thats a big problem if you ask me. These people strongly believe something should be illegal and they have no idea what it even is or what it does.

Legalizing marijuana will also open up a massive field of research into the medical values of marijuana. Imagine Doctors and Scientists could study the benefits of marijuana without having to worry about ruining their reputation or losing their job, or trying to find Funding.

If weed was legal in the USA within 5 years all the big Pharmaceutical Companies could come out with and patent a THC derivative in pill form. No more arguments that "smoking medicine cant be healthy".

If you had a choice between a synthetic pain killer with a half page of side effects, or a pill derived from THC what would you choose? Even people that arent "pot heads" could benefit from medecine derived from THC.

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Thanksfortheinfo said:

If it were legal it will allow a lot more people to get jobs easily without having to go through the UA process. This is one of the things that I really wonder about if it were to be legalized.

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juicyjayz said:

however it might suffer since well be cutting out ALOT of money in the medicine indictry..most people would just grow their own,etc....

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BCtrippin said:

This is totally wrong man. People are already growing it, how would legalizing cut out any current profit from the medical industry???

Weed is currently still a Federal crime in the USA, the medical industry can't profit off of it until its legal and taxable, the clubs are the only ones making legal money off of weed right now.

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juicyjayz said:

which is my point..if they could regulate and tax cannabis,then they WILL legalize it,until then,they wont...theres nothing in it for them..now we depend on modern medicine conglomerates..in the future,well depend on growing out own plants for medicine.....

Theyll never tax it,cus if its legalized..there wont be a major market worth the effort....why buy it,when you just plant a seed in sporing,and have a pound several motnhs later??


They tried legalizing it and taxing it a LONG time ago..the politicians made no money on it,so it was then regulated federally where it still remains today...the "controlled substance act" is why it wont be legalized....

the politicans wont think its worth the effort,because overriding a decades old federal bill isnt as easy as some would think!!@!kiss-ass

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BCtrippin said:

Again most of this is wrong. If you think legalization is a bad idea go start another thread.

Explain why they cant regulate and tax cannabis? The fact that some people can grow their own is NOT a reason that they cant regulate or tax it...sorry.

The market is there, all the government has to do is legalize it so private companies can supply a product thats cheaper than whats out there (like cigarettes or beer)

Once private companies are selling it cheaper they will be getting a LOT of business. Are you really gonna pay as much as you do know for weed if you could get it at the liquor store cheaper?

The fact that people can grow it is not an argument, Sorry. People can grow tomatoes or any other vegetables, but when I go to the store they sell vegetables...Hmmm, Why hasnt the market dried up if I can grow my own?

Where is the major market going to go if they legalize? Its not just going to disappear....

What makes you think every person who smokes pot in America will want to grow weed?

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BCtrippin said:

Whats the matter? Can't articulate why legalizing Cannabis would be too hard to regulate and tax? hahha JK bro..

Seriously though, we never learn anything without some good friendly debates.

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juicyjayz said:

lol...na i had not slept and was running low on batteries...well here we go....

imo,taxing it and regulating it would not be hard to do in theory...and it wil be the only motive for the politicians to legalize and start making revenue on a mass market....chances are a large percent of the revenue will go towrds mass farming of hemp and hemp by prodcuts..this includes and isnt limited to hemp oil,clothe,linen,food,medicine,soap,hemp plastic,etc....

the shift from using and needing major american medicinal,plastics and linens sources will cost the u.s economy billions....hemp will be cheaper to mass produce than any other plastics,and artificial threads,etc..thus having a much lesser marketing mark off than traditional sources....

There are other countless reasons why it hasnt been legalized and mass marketed yet..and they all have to do with the economy,and the MAJOR change that will occur.....

The cold fact is that the politicians and the government have just not found a major way to profit from it...and have not really focused on how it will change the econmy....perhaps if they truly brainstorm,and conceive the possible profits or NEGATIVE impact it will have on the economy,then theyll legalize it...

Until then,everybodys stuck on the 1930s "devil"weed propaganda
and marijuana legalzing on a international level has been put on the bacxki,whjere it has and continues to this day.

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genfranco said:

I dont agree that they havent found a way to profit. I just think that they profit greatly from the current practices.
Allowing lobbyist representatives of these companies providing millions of dollars a DAY towards ensuring that MJ stays illegal ... Im sure youve seen it already, But these videos explain it best.

The Union
Run from the cure

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LostInSpace... said:

I just watched that video Run from the cure. Wow, I didn't know the wide range of medicinal benefit of hemp oil. When is the corruption of federal government going to change? How long is it going to take for the masses to be able to receive the medicine they need and deserve?

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juicyjayz said:

when the u.s pharamceutical conglomerates stop paying washington lobbyssts billions of dollars just to insure that the u.s masses thinks we need all the posin they called medicine...smoke da ganja!!!

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DubB83 said:

The poll question is this:

Would you donate 50$ to legalize marijuana

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I answered Yes.

Now here is my opinion on why I doubt that using such a blitzkrieg tactic to force politicians and the public to completely think 180* different than that currently do won't work.

This is a nation driven by fear we are talking about, and one of those fears is change.

The truth is I do already donate to a few groups that are working to change things. MPP and other organizations, I believe, get credit for medical marijuana being legal in Michigan now, a massive step forward in my oppinion. The large organizations I donate to are working the system the way the system was designed. If the gov't system was an animal it would be a tortoise.

The thought that the gov't machine is quick enough to legalize a substance classified on the same level as heroin and crack over some publicity stunt is rediculous. Even if every God fearing Christian found out that cannabis (kanah bossom) was used by all priests and profits in the bible and they were all sinners for judging those who use marijuana they would still not change their mind. They might go to confessional and then that is all, poof, forgotten. To much energy for the common citizen that either does not benefit from the plant or does not know anything of the plant and therefor despises it. Ignorance is bliss. Your not taking into account the fact that this nation makes decisions based on whims and what the church tells them to do.

We are talking about the right to make our own decisions as the forefathers intended but short of a revolution, in today's day and age, there is no way to do this fast enough. You think that you only need to impress and persude one session of congress and only one round of each of those politicians? Seriously? 2 years? I think your going to have to grease the wheels and line the pockets for years just as big tobacco and big oil has. The public no longer controls the government, control is all an illusion.

The only way to win this war is to fight fire with fire and give the politicians more lobbyist and line more pockets and scratch backs. We have to become what we loath and turn into the enemy. We have to become a public conglomerate and be larger than big tobacco to win. This will take much more time and money than I believe you initially project.

I'm investing in a smaller uphill battle by donating to already established legitimate organizations that are slowly working the system and making a difference.

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mindphuk said:

Pharmaceutical companies couldn't care less if it was legalized. Marijuana is not a panacea for every ailment. People will still need doctors and traditional medication. The biggest groups that consistently push to keep it illegal is the prison and law enforcement unions that make big money from prohibition as well as the alcohol industry (direct competition).

A few years ago, the San Diego Union Tribune wrote:

Those who argue that it is sensible policy to treat drug users the same way you treat the pathologically violent have clearly prevailed. Today there are 20,862 inmates, approximately the same as the total prison population two decades ago, serving prison sentence solely for drug possession. These are people who are cycled through the system and then placed back on the street without access to treatment or support. Attempts to obtain treatment are often met with waiting lists that are months long. In the meantime, they remain on the streets with few prospects and little hope. Under these conditions, it is not long before many fall back into self destructive drug use and return to prison.
Although such a system seems counter to public safety interests, there are powerful political forces at work in California that promote and sustain the present system. Chief among these forces is the prison guard’s union. Because they benefit from prisons teeming with inmates, the guards lavish campaign contributions on political candidates. The influence that the prisons guard’s campaign contributions buys allows them to pressure elected officials to enact sentencing laws that keep inmates in prison longer, thus expanding the overall pool of prisoners and creating a “need” for more prisons. The guards union blatantly uses its political influence to promote the funding of more prisons.
Why is this addict population coveted by the prison guards union? The answer goes beyond the union’s desire for more prisons and increased staff. When the system is overcrowded, prisons must maintain a ratio of guards to inmates. To maintain this ratio, the system either hires more guards or grants overtime. Overtime is the favored option because it allows current line staff to double their salaries. It is not uncommon for California prison guards to earn over $100,000 a year. Should the number of inmates drop below current levels, extra income from overtime is lost and the argument for more prisons loses merit.
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More recently was Prop 5, the Non-violent Offender Rehabilitation Act.
Guess who opposed it?

You can learn a lot about the merits of a proposal by taking a good, hard look at who’s lobbying against it.

Take California’s Proposition 5, the Nonviolent Offender Rehabilitation Act, which would require the diversion of certain non-violent offenders to drug treatment and increase funding for state-sponsored rehabilitation programs. The measure seeks to expand upon the alternative sentencing programs initially enacted by Proposition 36, which is estimated to have saved taxpayers some $1.7 billion dollars and reduced the number of people incarcerated for simple drug possession by one-third. So who would oppose this proposal?

If you guessed: the folks who make their living arresting non-violent drug offenders, you’d be right! According to the ‘No on 5′ website, the California State Sheriff’s Association, the California Narcotics Officers Association, the California Peace Officers Association, the Police Chiefs of California, and the California District Attorneys Association all oppose Prop. 5.

However, even more disturbing is who’s bankrolling the ‘No on 5′ campaign. According to the Drug Policy Alliance, California’s powerful prison guards union has spent close to $2 million dollars to lobby against the passage of Prop. 5. After all, overcrowded prisons — In 2007, California declared a ’state of emergency’ in the prison system because of the lack of bed space — and more prison construction (in lieu of building additional public high schools and state colleges) are a financial windfall for prison guards, even if they spell disaster for everyone else.
http://blog.norml.org/tag/prison-guards-union/
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