SpruceZeus
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Ooooh this is getting heated! I like it. Seldom do potheads becoma passionate about anything, this is perfect.
Is it worth $50 to you?
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Landragon
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You come at me as though you have a lot of pent up anger inside you. Could I suggest a nice warm haze and a truckers batch?
Broke? LOL you have no idea chap.
You washed behind your ears as though to confirm your selfishness, then spend your time claiming otherwise. I never claimed you didn't sell to provide a better life for others. I said "IF you are afraid of leality for selfish reasons, grow up...yada yada" and you washed your ears. So you are a part of the profiteering faction who is afraid your buds won't hold up to market or the grow will become unprofitable due to taxation/deflation. Where did I go wrong there?
I grow for medical reasons as well as because it is much better for ME than alcohol as a after dinner or ore concert treat. I'm a respectable member of my community and pay my taxes. I put my kid through the best school available. I donate to charity and I have underwritten two chemo patients grow op's since they couldn't afford it and I have strict laws here and can't support more with my grow.
I'm a criminal. And it sucks. And people who are using cannabis for purely innebriating purposes are fine with me. I did it just like that for 14 years untill I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease. It is through strong preperations of resin I can find relief. But I feel anyone should be able to grow any plant and do with it, to themselves, whatever they see fit. My only exception is non-cannabs invasive species. Those deserve strict control. Some counties have taxes you must pay on liquor, beer or wine you make yourself. I am not against this as a condition of legalization though I don't favor it.
Do yourself a favor and don't get so personal. I undersand I addressed your post with my first sentence, but the rest was directed at anyone who can't see the forest for the trees.
BCtrippin
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I really have to disagree with a LOT of that. I don't think growing and selling makes you a criminal at all.
The only criminals are the people who ONLY sell and want to make money by being a middle man, or growers who grow for gangs.
I really wouldnt say all growers medical or not, that grow outside the limits of their local are criminals.
What about the illegal growers who would rather have their friends and family buy safe product off of them as opposed to some kid who works for some gangster?
Its Prohibition.
Back when they tried to ban Booze there was Criminals trying to make all kinds of money by smuggling booze, they would work for gangs, they were all about the money. But what about all the home brewers who didn't want to support mafia and gangsters and just wanted to enjoy some home brewed hooch in peace? I surely wouldn't say they were all criminals too. They were regular people who stood up for what they believe in and Nothing More.
The only criminals are the people who ONLY sell and want to make money by being a middle man, or growers who grow for gangs.
I really wouldnt say all growers medical or not, that grow outside the limits of their local are criminals.
What about the illegal growers who would rather have their friends and family buy safe product off of them as opposed to some kid who works for some gangster?
Its Prohibition.
Back when they tried to ban Booze there was Criminals trying to make all kinds of money by smuggling booze, they would work for gangs, they were all about the money. But what about all the home brewers who didn't want to support mafia and gangsters and just wanted to enjoy some home brewed hooch in peace? I surely wouldn't say they were all criminals too. They were regular people who stood up for what they believe in and Nothing More.
xStickeyGreenx
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I agree with BC. I dont know your plan yet but either way I cant think of any plan that hasnt been done already by someone else. Is your plan different from anyone elses plan ever and im just ignorant as of now. I dont see it working but if for any reason I did begin to see it work id be willing to donate more than $50 to the cause.Why not skip the whole $50 a pop crap and just find a few investors. 100, 000, 000 is not that much money at all when you talk about legalizing pot.
Im sorry to say, I highly doubt that this will even make the slightest difference in pot laws. If I start hearing about the "Marijuana Revolution" all over the news, then Hit me Up with a PM and Ill donate $200.
xStickeyGreenx
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Im not trying to argue or start anything but why do you say criminals? 1 just because they sell/grow/smoke MJ doesnt make you a bad person.(Im assuming you had a negative connatation to the word criminal in your post) But criminal doesnt mean your a bad person. Either way thats not anyones place to judge.
2nd why do you say selling MJ is not a real job??? Because it definately is. It requires work, time, and dedication to make it work. That qualifies as a job to me. Id like to hear your reasonings for saying that selling MJ is not a "real" job
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fureelz
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I am still looking for donations on my new boat or mercedes..ANYONE? we can go fast...!.and I'm not even askin for 50, your laundry change is appreciated.
BCtrippin
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No one cares.
BCtrippin
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I agree that growing does not make you a criminal. BUT selling weed is NOT a real job. People who drive around selling weed want something for nothing. They want to make a lot of money by just being a middle man and buying and selling product. Thats not a real job, I dont care how much time you spend driving around selling weed, its not a job.
Anyone who says driving around selling pot requires work is BS. Its not work, you sit on your ass and drive around dropping off bags, thats not a job.
I have never ever met a dealer who is 100% dedicated to just selling pot and has real standards and is 100% reliable, so I woudnt say its a real job at all.
IslandGreenGuy
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If you are in chronic pain and find that Marijuana is helping you so much more then all these prescription pain meds they have, Then go ahead and grow some. If it works to curb the pain of Crohns or any other illness then just do it. It doesn't only help with pain if its legal..
Maybe the fact the all these people are using it for "inebrating purposes for years at a time is the reason it's not legal yet..
I don't care what the reasoning behind it is, just a thought.
As far as gangs go, I haven't a gang member withing 100 miles of where I am. So luckely I'm not envolved in that shit. I wouldn't want to get robbed, let alone killed for some weed.
Sure I'm worried about the buds holding up to the market, you gets used to one price and all of a sudden it's worth less and less.
You cant go bigger due to Mandatory sentencing. Over 100 would get me 5 years.
I think the fact thats it's illegal is bull shit anyway. It should be obtainable to everyone. But it's not, and currently that law benefits me.
No one in America is growing Pot legally, yet it seems to be becoming much more excepted and much less penalized.
I think I'm beating a dead horse here, but who cares anyway..
But whatever the case may be, I shouldn't have jumped down your throat earlier, it's been a major issue around my home lately and I appoligize for that. You seem to know your stuff
I'll take that Haze now if you still have it....
There are many schools of thought on this issue of legalization. All we can do is hope for the best and hang on for the ride...
SpruceZeus
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You sir are rolling with the wrong crowd! I know a handfull of dealers i would definately say take their trade seriously, you're speaking in generalizations and that is silly.I agree that growing does not make you a criminal. BUT selling weed is NOT a real job. People who drive around selling weed want something for nothing. They want to make a lot of money by just being a middle man and buying and selling product. Thats not a real job, I dont care how much time you spend driving around selling weed, its not a job.
Anyone who says driving around selling pot requires work is BS. Its not work, you sit on your ass and drive around dropping off bags, thats not a job.
I have never ever met a dealer who is 100% dedicated to just selling pot and has real standards and is 100% reliable, so I woudnt say its a real job at all.
By your definition delivery drivers aren't working. Tell that to a trucker\delivery driver\cabbie, they'd probably see things a little differently.
Just because its criminal, doesnt mean its morally wrong, just because its criminal doesn't mean its not work. Seriously, i know one dealer who works 16 hour days everyday, thats dedication.
BCtrippin
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Your dealer friend that works 16 hours a day will not be doing this for the next 20 years. He probably wont even do it for 2 years strait. I still wouldnt consider it a job.
Theres also lots of LEGAL things you can do to make money that take a lot of work and are not considered a real job.
Truck driver, delivery drivers, cab drivers have rules to follow, they pay taxes, and there are standards. With dealers its hit or miss. I didnt say there are no good dealers out there, but if its not a guy you have known for a while your not getting that good service.
Even your most reliable dealer wont offer that same service to some guy who just called him for the first time.
I dont want to generalize, I do agree there are hard working dealers out there, But I still dont consider it a "real job".
Landragon
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Ok, did anyone bother to look up the definition of "criminal"?
From Mrriam-Webster : "Main Entry: 2criminal Function: noun Date: circa 1626
1 : one who has committed a crime 2 : a person who has been convicted of a crime "
I highlighted "committed".
Your example of homebrewers is perfect. Look at the boom which has become quality microbrews. The strong , unique, and consistently high quality brewers have fared well. Sure the big explosion went away, but it left some awesome brands for us. I know of several microbrewery owners and brewers. Those that understand business management are not hurting. Even with the high and rising taxes put on them. And I support anyone who grows and sells, so long as they are
A: selling finished, not early product
B: properly flushing or going organic DON'T SELL POISON
C: not exposing unknowing customers to additional criminal elements IE:hard drugs, unsafe dealings, thugs, gangs etc..
D: charging a fair price, not the inflated prices that have become standard in the US
E: Not selling to kids
From Mrriam-Webster : "Main Entry: 2criminal Function: noun Date: circa 1626
1 : one who has committed a crime 2 : a person who has been convicted of a crime "
I highlighted "committed".
See, it is that there is an unjust law that so many of us are criminals. And it is a travesty. If you choose to break a local or federal law, you commit a crime. You become a criminal. It is not hard to understand. I do stand up for my beliefs and I choose to break several laws to provide myself, my brother and my fiance medicine. My brother has scoliosis, and glaucoma. Everyone here grows loaded with chemicals. I grow more than I need so he does not have to source from the scumbags who provide poison not medicine. My fiance has a very high stress job and needs something to help the effort of saving peoples homes 11 hours a day slip away after she gets home at 10. I chose to do this because I believe this law to be a persecution of people, renewable resources and free thought. I know how much trouble I can get in.
Your example of homebrewers is perfect. Look at the boom which has become quality microbrews. The strong , unique, and consistently high quality brewers have fared well. Sure the big explosion went away, but it left some awesome brands for us. I know of several microbrewery owners and brewers. Those that understand business management are not hurting. Even with the high and rising taxes put on them. And I support anyone who grows and sells, so long as they are
A: selling finished, not early product
B: properly flushing or going organic DON'T SELL POISON
C: not exposing unknowing customers to additional criminal elements IE:hard drugs, unsafe dealings, thugs, gangs etc..
D: charging a fair price, not the inflated prices that have become standard in the US
E: Not selling to kids
LostInSpace...
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I agree with everything but that. Are you for real? Because I grow with hydro nutes and not bat shit, sugar and urine you would consider my product poison? You might want to have a think about that...
BCtrippin
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Did you bother to look up the legal definition of crime..
You could have saved yourself some time. I know the definition of a criminal.
Look at the root word. Look up the Law definition of crime.
n. a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public and a term in jail or prison, and/or a fine as possible penalties. There is some sentiment for excluding from the "crime" category crimes without victims, such as consensual acts, or violations in which only the perpetrator is hurt or involved such as personal use of illegal drugs.
A victimless crime, like growing a personal crop, or smoking weed, doesnt always make you a criminal. And a misdemeanor is not a crime.
I dont want to get into it the details of what will be considered a crime or not, every situation is different. A history of crime is also a major factor. But a lot of the things you have said do not absolutely make you a criminal.
LostInSpace...
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So what, crime and criminal are just words. Stop bickering. We are all breaking the law. Weather or not the law is right makes no difference either. Even if weed was legalized does that make it right or wrong? Who knows? Who has the right to judge? Just keep doing what we all do and maybe one day the possibility of legalization may arise.
Do we need to look up the definition of "job"? What about "work"? Let it go....
Do we need to look up the definition of "job"? What about "work"? Let it go....
Landragon
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I don't feel putting petrochemicals on plants and selling them as medicine is logical. It would depend on the types of fertilizers you use and how effectively you maintained a balance of enough and too much as to whether I would consider your harvest poison. I have acute chemical sensitivity. I can tell if it's over chemmy pot in my body. It's not a taste thing though that is there as well. I'm not insulting you and I think people are taking things way too personally. Urine and sugar can stay out of my patients and myself as well. I'd take pot fertilized properly with digested food waste over any human proccessed chemicals any day. I have smoked an grown wonderfully araomatix and clean burning chemical salt grown pot and I don't think it's hard to produce a more natural product that is rich will all the elements and minerals soil or bacterially digested liquids.
LostInSpace...
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It wasn't taken personally, but you put it in a personal context ie; "i don't feel" or "I have chemical sensitivity". Sorry but as much as you might like to think you are selling a natural medicine, most people smoke to get high. I would never consider a hydro "chemically" grown plant poison. If it were, we would all be dead.
mindphuk
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You do realize that the plant can only uptake nutrients in certain forms, usually salts and that the actual nutrient that the plant retrieves from organics is identical chemically to the same salts in synthetic nutes? Bacteria has to break down the organic material for the plant to be able to utilize it, synthetics merely bypass that process. Grow some organic weed but don't flush and tell me it doesn't taste like crap and even a bit of a 'chemical taste'. That tells you there are salt buildup in your plants whether you grow organically or not. I think the reason organics taste better is because some organic molecules like carbohydrates (mollasses, Sweet, etc.) are utilized directly by the plant. A synthetic grower can get similar results by using a hybrid system by adding those carbs.
BCtrippin
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When you use synthetic nutes the chems dont sit in the buds....
With synthetics the plants have instant access to the nutrients, so you have a lot more control, but there is a lot more room to screw up (like nute burn)
With organic soils the nutes are always there, and as they break down the plants use what they need. This in no way means Organic is better then Synthetic nutrients. It really depends on the growers skills.
You can burn your plants, or make shit chem tasting buds with Organic nutes too. Its just personal preference and what your good at.
With synthetics the plants have instant access to the nutrients, so you have a lot more control, but there is a lot more room to screw up (like nute burn)
With organic soils the nutes are always there, and as they break down the plants use what they need. This in no way means Organic is better then Synthetic nutrients. It really depends on the growers skills.
You can burn your plants, or make shit chem tasting buds with Organic nutes too. Its just personal preference and what your good at.
diggitydank420
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Isn't that the only way to get anything from the govt, by buying it?