Is Obama and the Senate Holding America Hostage?

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ChesusRice

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Mellowman2112 said:
I read alot so I know alot about history. Read the creature from Jekyl Island it explains why a few paid off Senators and Congressmen decided to tuck us over in 1913. I am talking abour restoring the banking system to the people and not leaving it in private hands that is the only change I am proposing. You act as if I am proposing returning to 1913 technology for crying out loud.
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G. Edward Griffin (born November 7, 1931) is an American film producer, author, and political lecturer.[SUP][1][/SUP] He is perhaps best known as the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island (1994), a critique of much modern economic theory and practice, specifically the Federal Reserve System.

The Creature from Jekyll Island is in many ways a compendium of previous works claiming that the Federal Reserve is a fundamentally illegitimate -- and therefore deeply nefarious -- organization. Most of these theories were deeply anti-Semitic in nature, since they depicted the Fed's bankers as part of a Jewish cabal intent on destroying white American society. What sets Griffin's work apart is that -- like most Birch texts, which assiduously avoided anti-Semitism -- he manages to scrub out the anti-Semitic elements while keeping the paranoid conspiracist elements intact.

Griffin has been a member and officer of the John Birch Society for much of his life[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP] and a contributing editor to its magazine, The New American.[SUP][[/SUP]

Griffin also advocates the use of Laetrile, a semi-synthetic derivative of amygdalin as a treatment for cancer, often referencing the work of Dean Burk to support the use of Laetrile.[SUP][20][/SUP] Since the 1970s, the use of Laetrile to treat cancer has been described in the scientific literature as a canonical example of quackery and has never been shown to be effective in the treatment or prevention of cancer

Griffin says that the United Nations, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Bank are working to destroy American sovereignty through a system of world military and financial control, and he advocates for United States withdrawal from the United Nations.[SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][39][/SUP]

Edward Flaherty, an academic economist,[SUP][40][/SUP] characterized Griffin's description of the secret meeting on Jekyll Island as "conspiratorial", "amateurish", and "suspect".[SUP][41][/SUP] Griffin's response was that Flaherty had miscategorized the book with other publications and had labeled all criticisms of the Federal Reserve as the results of conspiracy theory.[SUP][42][/SUP]
 
Mellowman2112

Mellowman2112

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We need to only vote for candidates that agree to restore the federal reserve to the people or nationalize the banks. Such as Ron Paul, and others that dcome out in favor of ending the fed.
 
Mellowman2112

Mellowman2112

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Listen Chesus, so you prefer paying income taxes than not paying income taxes I guess. Is that what you are saying? Use your brain dude.


Flaherty is a paid shill to defuse the truth of the screwjob we took in 1913.
 
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ChesusRice

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Mellowman2112 said:
Listen Chesus, so you prefer paying income taxes than not paying income taxes I guess. Is that what you are saying? Use your brain dude.


Flaherty is a paid shill to defuse the truth of the screwjob we took in 1913.
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Yes it's a big conspiracy theory controlled by the Joos
and anyone who points out the lunacy of it
Is all part of the Conspiracy
 
Mellowman2112

Mellowman2112

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In reference to your post: If the jews are in control of our country it is not racism to call them out on it. 6 Jews control 90% of the media in this country. No wonder congress cowtows to the JEwish prime minister when he comes for a visit. No wonder we give them billions in arms and money. They control the mainstream media. This should be illegal. No wonder nobody watches the news anymore its total propaganda. The majority owner of the private federal reserve stock is a jew. Rothschild. It's true. Rothschild enslaved us all making serfs of us in 1913 by usurping control of our banking system. Simultaneously having the IRS created to enforce collection of his interest by imposing an income tax. The IRS is the collection arm of the private federal reserve. Wake up dude! We didnt have an income tax before we had the misnamed federal reserve. IT wasnt necessary. His heirs own and control the federal reserve today. Along with the Morgans, the Loebs, the Warburgs and a few other select families.
 
Mellowman2112

Mellowman2112

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Look the facts speak for themselves, if you cant refute my facts rather than call it a conspiracy theory, I guess I win.
 
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ChesusRice

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Mellowman2112 said:
In reference to your post: If the jews are in control of our country it is not racism to call them out on it. 6 Jews control 90% of the media in this country. No wonder congress cowtows to the JEwish prime minister when he comes for a visit. No wonder we give them billions in arms and money. They control the mainstream media. This should be illegal. No wonder nobody watches the news anymore its total propaganda. The majority owner of the private federal reserve stock is a jew. Rothschild. It's true. Rothschild enslaved us all making serfs of us in 1913 by usurping control of our banking system. Simultaneously having the IRS created to enforce collection of his interest by imposing an income tax. The IRS is the collection arm of the private federal reserve. Wake up dude! We didnt have an income tax before we had the misnamed federal reserve. IT wasnt necessary. His heirs own and control the federal reserve today. Along with the Morgans, the Loebs, the Warburgs and a few other select families.
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IT'S dA Jews!!!!!!
 
Mellowman2112

Mellowman2112

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Whats wierd is you dont seem to belong at this site. No photos of your grow. No comments on any grows. No questions on any grows that I can find in your profile. Hmmmmm, very interesting. Just political defense of the establishment coming from you. People arent that stupid dude. We all know we are getting raped and that is going to continue to get worse.
 
Mellowman2112

Mellowman2112

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If your supposed to be a Republican what is the matter with Ron Paul? He is a real Republican. What is the problem with real freedom? You seem to have a problem with freedom and with people not having to pay income taxes after the people regain control of the banks.
 
dtp5150

dtp5150

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beenthere said:
Here's where we disagree. I believe once you are taxed from your regular income, the government doesn't deserve to tax any risk capital we choose to invest. My point is, many and most investments have the capability of a loss, sometimes a very substantial loss. Where is my investment partner (federal government) when I loose my ass? I would go along with a special tax on capital gains if it was someones sole income, but many of us rely on capital gains to supplement our retirement and the government is right there waiting to penalize us for taking a risk to get ahead in life.

As it is in my state of California, I get taxed a 15% federal capital gains rate plus a 9.3% rate from the state.

If both of us had $100k and you pay cash for a new car and boat and took your wife on vacation, the most you'll be taxed is the sales tax rate of the state you live in, that's if they even have one. If I invest my $100k and realize a profit from my risk, I get railed by both the federal government and the state of California and if I loose any part of my original $100k, I'm screwed, but you still have your boat and car and the memories of your vacation. Now tell me that the government isn't punishing success.
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Where does it say, ANYWHERE, in any logical manner, the GOVERNMENT is your INVESTMENT PARTNER?


Due to not being enough time on earth, I can't even begin to deconstruct the fallacies and misconstrued "facts" presented in your rationalization for tax free capital gains due to speculation. You're basically a greedy gambler who doesn't want to pay taxes when their risky investments let them take money from another gambler. Yet you go further to hint that when you incur a loss, the government should help you, AKA BAILOUT

Governments help corporations, not individuals, carry losses thru multiple years and help settle future tax obligations. Maybe this should start you on a good research adventure. And who is to even say if this societally-correct?

The dirty book says you're supposed to use the corporation to invest, when they lose money they can carry the loss into future years, and then pay dividends to yourself, which are then "double taxed" on your income tax....blah blah ...bleep bleep ....01011
 
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beenthere

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dtp5150 said:
Where does it say, ANYWHERE, in any logical manner, the GOVERNMENT is your INVESTMENT PARTNER?
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When they take their portion of my profit, but relax, it's only a metaphor. LOL


dtp5150 said:
Due to not being enough time on earth, I can't even begin to deconstruct the fallacies and misconstrued "facts" presented in your rationalization for tax free capital gains due to speculation. You're basically a greedy gambler who doesn't want to pay taxes when their risky investments let them take money from another gambler. Yet you go further to hint that when you incur a loss, the government should help you, AKA BAILOUT
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You aren't capable of deconstructing any fallacies amigo, it's not a black and white issue, ideology comes into play and we are polar opposites, most likely for the fact you've never had to pay capital gains!

dtp5150 said:
Governments help corporations, not individuals, carry losses thru multiple years and help settle future tax obligations. Maybe this should start you on a good research adventure.

You're supposed to use the corporation to invest, when they lose money they can carry the loss into future years, and then pay dividends to yourself, which are then "double taxed" on your income tax....blah blah ...bleep bleep ....01011
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I think you need a bit more real life investment experience my friend, unless you're a whale, most small investment groups form an LLC, they are taxed like a sole proprietor or partnership. You have a maximum capital loss deduction of $3k per year, you can carryover losses to offset any future gains. All that means is they're not taxing you on $3k per year, whoop de do.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Mellowman2112 said:
We need to only vote for candidates that agree to restore the federal reserve to the people...
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last year during the 4th of july parade, the JBS people walked up onto my porch asking me if i knew why food prices had gone up. i asked if it was the commies having gay buttsex in my best deadpan.

the guy just went off about the federal reserve. i asked him to name me a powerful nation without a central bank. he paused, walked away, and started uttering something about "the people can have a bank".

i LOLed heartily.
 
dtp5150

dtp5150

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beenthere said:
When they take their portion of my profit, but relax, it's only a metaphor. LOL


You aren't capable of deconstructing any fallacies amigo, it's not a black and white issue, ideology comes into play and we are polar opposites, most likely for the fact you've never had to pay capital gains!



I think you need a bit more real life investment experience my friend, unless you're a whale, most small investment groups form an LLC, they are taxed like a sole proprietor or partnership. You have a maximum capital loss deduction of $3k per year, you can carryover losses to offset any future gains. All that means is they're not taxing you on $3k per year, whoop de do.
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I, along with countless other citizens, want NOTHING to do with your speculative, economy damaging activities. Why should we foot the bill for your bad gambles?

Please tell me how anything you said refutes my comment about you, or any other stupid mother-earth fucker, being a greedy gambler who doesnt want to pay income tax on the earnings you made off other gamblers.

In fact, it seems u have some sense of corporate loss carryover, without admitting i was correct about double taxation referring to corporate dividends. And you are still bitching how the gov should bail u out somehow for bad gambles. That chain of rationalization... is sociopathic. Nobody says you have to gamble with your earnings but you. Gambling is an addiction. A fetish. Can't get off unless ur gambling with something. You like danger and risk, but you're smart. Thats it.
 
dtp5150

dtp5150

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UncleBuck said:
last year during the 4th of july parade, the JBS people walked up onto my porch asking me if i knew why food prices had gone up. i asked if it was the commies having gay buttsex in my best deadpan.

the guy just went off about the federal reserve. i asked him to name me a powerful nation without a central bank. he paused, walked away, and started uttering something about "the people can have a bank".

i LOLed heartily.
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Can you rationalize why a national bank is needed? How about, can you describe the difference between a national bank and the fed reserve?

Until you can put these answers in writing, please stay out of economics.

It used to be people who bet money on the decline of their own country were hung. Now they are rewarded. What a twist. Capitalism win. Rationalization does not exist.
 
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ChesusRice

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dtp5150 said:
Can you rationalize why a national bank is needed? How about, can you describe the difference between a national bank and the fed reserve?

Until you can put these answers in writing, please stay out of economics.

It used to be people who bet money on the decline of their own country were hung. Now they are rewarded. What a twist. Capitalism win. Rationalization does not exist.
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You need to look at Ron Paul's portfolio
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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ChesusRice said:
You need to look at Ron Paul's portfolio
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You're more interested in the Eternal Loser than he is in turtles, let the old man just live out his last few days in peace, he's really old...He probably couldn't hear you anyways I suppose.

Either way, haters be hatin' today.
 
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