Is Obama and the Senate Holding America Hostage?

beenthere

New Member
I, along with countless other citizens, want NOTHING to do with your speculative, economy damaging activities. Why should we foot the bill for your bad gambles?
"We" Where in the hell did you get the we, it's not your money to begin with.
And anyone that would call private investments "economy damaging activities" obviously knows little about investing and even less about our economy, that's a fact.
Please tell me how anything you said refutes my comment about you, or any other stupid mother-earth fucker, being a greedy gambler who doesnt want to pay income tax on the earnings you made off other gamblers.
I don't see where you're getting the notion that investors are greedy, if you've ever held a job, odds are your employer was or is an investor.


In fact, it seems u have some sense of corporate loss carryover, without admitting i was correct about double taxation referring to corporate dividends. And you are still bitching how the gov should bail u out somehow for bad gambles. That chain of rationalization... is sociopathic. Nobody says you have to gamble with your earnings but you. Gambling is an addiction. A fetish. Can't get off unless ur gambling with something. You like danger and risk, but you're smart. Thats it.
You are dead wrong, I don't feel the government should be in the business of bailing investors out, that is, as long as they're not in the business of collecting their profits.

I think you're a little confused, I never said dividends were not double taxed, I know they they are.
But think about it, the term dividends is just another name for capital gains that are paid out quarterly or on a regular basis to it's share holders.

And if there weren't people who took risks my friend, America would not be America. You along with me and everyone else in this country have reaped the benefits of those "greedy gamblers"!
 

dtp5150

Well-Known Member
"We" Where in the hell did you get the we, it's not your money to begin with.
tax revenue comes from the citizens....We who want nothing to do with your economy damaging speculative activities.

And anyone that would call private investments "economy damaging activities" obviously knows little about investing and even less about our economy, that's a fact.
BP GULF COAST DISASTER, EXXON VALDEZ OIL TANKER SPILL( unless of course you see man-made natural disasters a good thing for the economy...or war for that matter ) Tech Bubble Burst, Housing Market Bubble Burst, Great Depression, Monsanto suing small farmers, old folks loosing 401ks, S&L Scandals, usury, Predatory lending, price fixing, pyramid/ponzi schemes....ETC ETC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States#Free_Banking_Era_to_the_Great_Depression
Then of course you can research yourself just how bad speculative investments can fuck up the economy. Then you can proceed to educate yourself on the 2nd half of the past century, up to today.

This will really be the last time I respond to you.

I don't see where you're getting the notion that investors are greedy, if you've ever held a job, odds are your employer was or is an investor.
this has to be the most ignorant thing I ever heard when discussing economics. I advise you to research the "invisible hand" and how its basically greed that runs capital markets.



You are dead wrong, I don't feel the government should be in the business of bailing investors out, that is, as long as they're not in the business of collecting their profits.
To paraphrase, "You're an idiot. The government should bail people out of bad investments if people have to pay income tax on their capital gains." What do you contend is so special about capital gains that it should be tax free? How do you differentiate gambling income from "capital gains" income? I wont read your reply so dont bother attempting to spew more garbage to me.

I think you're a little confused, I never said dividends were not double taxed, I know they they are.
But think about it, the term dividends is just another name for capital gains that are paid out quarterly or on a regular basis to it's share holders.
No, dividends are not just another name for capital gains paid out on a regular basis. This is just getting pathetic now.

And if there weren't people who took risks my friend, America would not be America. You along with me and everyone else in this country have reaped the benefits of those "greedy gamblers"!
I agree with the first half of your statement. Sort of. You can't define a word with the word itself, as some kind of justification for ANYTHING. Thats like saying "without photons, blue wouldn't be blue. so that means the earth revolves around the sun!" Which might be true, but doesn't say much.

Also without the oppressive government of the UK, boat technology of the time, etc etc America wouldnt be America. There is MORE to america than RISKY GREED, if you can pound that into your thick skull, humanity would be better off.

The second half I do not agree with at all. What benefits? We have Earth-fucking slave mobiles so slave-employees drive to their "occupation", get fast "food", while burning up the planet, eating crap-food from chain stores produced by hydrogenated corn oil, etc. We build houses using some of the most environmentally-damaging and inefficient building technology ever invented. Its all a joke. We have corporations brainwashing every aspect of peoples lives through marketing. Watering food crops with toxic chemicals, spraying toxic chemicals on everything, putting industrial waste chemicals in municipal water supplies, gulf of mexico....

Even by your short-sighted measure of success, money, we are going down the shitter. I wonder when the last time you studied the US trend in per capita GDP was, and how we rank in the world.

bankers conveniently hid all the gold, gave us fiat paper-and-useless metal currency ( which still has more value than 1's and 0's in a computer database), and will laugh when we kill each other over meaningless paper. They will laugh when people FIGHT for the RIGHT to kill each other over numbers in a database.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
last year during the 4th of july parade, the JBS people walked up onto my porch asking me if i knew why food prices had gone up. i asked if it was the commies having gay buttsex in my best deadpan.

the guy just went off about the federal reserve. i asked him to name me a powerful nation without a central bank. he paused, walked away, and started uttering something about "the people can have a bank".

i LOLed heartily.
Ya should only let them commies practice their deviated preversions in your spare deadpan. The best one's fer the livestock, who are all decent God-fearin' critters, by gum, an' ye don' wannem contaminated with them outlandish idears and hemp-based lubes. cn
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
"The government should not be in the business of bailing out..."

The government is in the business of providing buffers large and small for the citizens against disaster. The government is in the business of providing low interest loans, blankets, housing and assisting in the rebuilding of regions hit by disasters. This is how a country continues without radical fluctuations in.... watch for it.... order in a society. One of those disasters can easily be argued is the failure of large institutions. There are any number of "disasters", some of them are purely financial.
 

beenthere

New Member
one sentence posts, memes, insults, etc.....everything has gone to shit
This will really be the last time I respond to you.

this has to be the most ignorant thing I ever heard when discussing economics. I advise you to research the "invisible hand" and how its basically greed that runs capital markets.

To paraphrase, "You're an idiot. ? I wont read your reply so dont bother attempting to spew more garbage to me.
No, dividends are not just another name for capital gains paid out on a regular basis. This is just getting pathetic now.

There is MORE to america than RISKY GREED, if you can pound that into your thick skull, humanity would be better off.
OK, good enough but at least you could practice what you preach.
And if you like one sided arguments so much, perhaps you should debate issues with yourself or people you agree with!
 

dtp5150

Well-Known Member
ok, good enough but at least you could practice what you preach.
And if you like one sided arguments so much, perhaps you should debate issues with yourself or people you agree with!
this person misquoted me. Fucking fraudulent pseudo intellectual. SOME THINGS, I DID NOT SAY ....ALL THINGS...OUT OF CONTEXT.

You're a piece of shit and if you ever tried to misquote and misconstrue my words I say in that manner and we're in arms length, I would beat the fuck out of you.

ALL A MAN HAS IS HIS WORD. RESPECT THAT PART OF SOCIETY.

[HONESTY IS THE ONLY REAL TRUTH IN THIS WORLD]
 

dtp5150

Well-Known Member
Hey anyone remember all the Businesses Ronald Reagan Bailed out
Including the auto industry
nope. that sure is fucked. what are you trying to prove here with that anyway? Genuine question. I am interested. cuz....ya...reaganomics ruled! It was him who set forth the ability for our last two presidents to be admitted coke heads in college/high school. LOL.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
I wholeheartedly disagree.
There would be no such thing as a deficit or a debt if it wasn't for over spending!

Anyone who owns a company knows that there is a limit to how many fewer rolls of toilet paper and paper clips one can cut from their budget. They know that the way out of debt is forward and not backward, they know that one holds the line at spending but increased revenue is the only real way to get out of debt.
 

dtp5150

Well-Known Member
Anyone who owns a company knows that there is a limit to how many fewer rolls of toilet paper and paper clips one can cut from their budget. They know that the way out of debt is forward and not backward, they know that one holds the line at spending but increased revenue is the only real way to get out of debt.
I am REALLY bad at judging people, because I never try. I give vampiric-life-sucking-moronic-people wayyy to much of my energy while inhibiting personal development. Every year i get more intolerant of the idiots. I just feel there is a beacon of light in everyone hiding under decades of from-brith brainwashing.
 
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