I guess he treats me differently because I'm a lady. Medicine must not care.
You are a complete dunder-head. But, since you insist on being an idiot in public, I will help.Right, and my position is that Islam isn't the evil, it's those that practice. So explain to me where i went off topic?
And if you could could you link that article you cited, i'd be interested in reading it.
can you tell me what chapter and sentence of the quaran this is in
have you ever read this in the quran with your own eyes or only heard about this pssage...i have also heard this and of other passages where allah calls for the blood of infiedels....wierd thing is....nobody can produce the passages or chapters they appear in...only that it exists and it is in there....
Those are good points. The Koran is huge. Scholars argue about the correct translation of passages from arabic. I read a huge book on the Ottoman Empire. The book author made frequent translations of relevant passages. Please do not ask me her name. I have often kicked myself for giving that book away.have you ever read this in the quran with your own eyes or only heard about this pssage...i have also heard this and of other passages where allah calls for the blood of infiedels....wierd thing is....nobody can produce the passages or chapters they appear in...only that it exists and it is in there....
well then, how about facing off against a dyed in the wool atheist?
the entire concept of religion is so fatally flawed that, though it may not be evil within itself, it cannot help but cause evil to be performed in its name. that which must cause evil may, therefore, be described as evil.
What exactly do you stand for? Ignorance? Intolerance? Are you sure you did not play in that movie "Team America"? Are you always this angry? How high is your blood pressure? And you argue the semantics of good and evil!? Are you really that insecure about your penis size? It seems like you are incapable of arguing with me because every time you try instead of intelligent debate your language is reduced to "round about" ignorant insults. If you want to feel like a man maybe you should stop acting like a child.
Ok, i have recieved a copy of the Quran from my friend. His father is from Palestine and i will read and give my two cents.
It'll take me a while to get through 55 pages. D'oh!
Did you see mjetta's post about the NatGeo special that was on last week? A very, VERY old copy of the Quran was discovered recently, and, as with the Bible (which is a HIGHLY edited piece of work) it can be argued that the original work has been rather adulterated over the years. If I can find more on the research I will post it.
You are well demonstrating the power of the media. You must have missed my link CAMERA: Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America -- Also, you do realize that you are just as much allowing yourself to be influenced by sensational reporting as any Middle Easterner who watches extremist anti-West reporting is, yes? They can easily make the argument that we are evil as well.
Hmm.. facing off. Alright, let's go.well then, how about facing off against a dyed in the wool atheist?
(From a dyed in the wool fan of Jung and Campbell.)First, I think that you must be more accurate than to simply say "religion". The implication of what you're saying is that before religion there were no wrongdoings, no murders, rapes, wars. This is wrong. It is simply an excuse for humans to behave as humans.
On one hand I don't disagree, on the other, I'm thinking that exceptions abound. I would need time to find them, I am not a student of theology but of mythology and it's been QUITE a long time since I've used those muscles.
Even for those who practice religions in which there are no ultimate "fruits"? I am immediately brought to think of earth/nature worshipping religions and, most notably, Buddhism. Again, I'll have to do some searching on that.
And with this you have cornered yourself into speaking specifically of monotheistic religions, the Abrahamic religions, without being honest enough to say so. While not popular, there are others for which such is not the case, and I would be so bold as to suggest there have been such others in the past.
Codified, yes, as the true purpose of religion was really to answer the unanswerable. I firmly believe that were it not for the advent of religion, which I believe came about at the same time as music and art, we would still be tearing at chunks of carrion after the large predators had their fill and picking the fruit the monkeys in the trees had allowed to fall.
Allow me to refer to my works of Campbells and get back to you on this last bit, would you?
seems we might be demanding that this thread be diverted to cuba.Hmm.. facing off. Alright, let's go.
i don't contend that religion is the sole source of the evil perpetrated by man. i do assert that it is one of the major conduits through which man's baser instincts are encouraged to freely flow. religion might be seen as the vehicle through which man justifies his place in the world, an instrument through which he can make sense of the chaos around him. with few exceptions, religion's primary purpose would seem to be to place man in a position superior to the rest of the world (owner, caretaker, custodian etc) and imbue him with a spark of divinity. as creatures so close to the godhead, their transgressions might be excused as necessary for the enlightenment of the rest of the world.
i don't doubt that you may find some small exception. i do, however, doubt that you will find them in abundance. man has made religion in his own image and it follows his quest to create an orderly universe.
i'm surprised you brought up buddhism when daoist philosophy might be seen as less intrusive, but there is still the element of punishment for non-adherence to dogma. whether that punishment is at the hands of a universal spirit or is expected to be performed by the believers themselves, it is still taken all too often as license to act out against the non-believers. even within animistic cultures there is a tendency toward taking the burden of inflicting that punishment from the divine and placing it in human hands.
i have never attempted to hide my disgust at the excesses of the abrahamic creeds. being born amidst the warrior tribes of the middle east, their acceptance of violence is equaled by only the most primitive of societies. exclusivity is the most predominant selling point of religion. only the faithful will ever understand the truths inherent in any belief and this affords them some measure of elite status. some aspects of hinduism may be seen as more inclusive, considering their understanding that all gods may be seen as different aspects of a universal spirit, but even there we find the necessity of a belief in that sentient spirit and the attendant elitist schism between the faithful and the non-believers.
now we come down to the true purpose of religion, control. by codifying acceptable behavior and placing the origin of those regulations in the realm of the supernatural, control over the masses can be assumed by a small group of the enlightened and blame can still be shifted onto some unknowable entity. it is the politics of the absolute. whether some good may come of such institutions is hardly the point. it is a simple case of whether the ends justify the means. whether primitive society needed such superstitious nonsense in order to survive and succeed is debatable.
now that's just silly.
Oh really? The USA exited the slave business in 1860. The Ottomans were in up till 1930. It is still prevalent in some Middle East countries.You are well demonstrating the power of the media. You must have missed my link CAMERA: Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America -- Also, you do realize that you are just as much allowing yourself to be influenced by sensational reporting as any Middle Easterner who watches extremist anti-West reporting is, yes? They can easily make the argument that we are evil as well.
Muslims kill infidel babies? if thats the case where did this come from?
All I know is what my friend, from Tehran, told me in 1983.Muslims kill infidel babies? if thats the case where did this come from?
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's proud but discreet Jews
So your basing a lot of your opinion on word of mouth from over 20 yrs ago? Granted he lived there but maybe Tehran was a bad place, all i know is that my friend is Palestinian and he only has 2 uncles named muhammed. So i don't think they killed babies that weren't named after a 'prophet'.
