Israel is a racist Nation (it really is)

Should the US continue to support that apartheid nation, Israel

  • Yes, it is the only Democracy in the ME and our best buddy in the World

    Votes: 11 39.3%

  • No, cut funds until the Israelli's get serious about peace.and stops murdering Palestinians

    Votes: 17 60.7%
  • Total voters
    28
zeddd said:
I don’t think anyone here thinks bibi is anything but a criminal, but you are not making arguments against him or Likud, you are not even criticising the Israeli government. You are going for Israel.
You can’t move forward this debate with specious hyperbole, you won’t help a single “Palestinian” either.
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Why the quotes around palestinians? Walls are not enough? :)

And you said it yourself he is going after israel not israeli people or jewish people.

As for helping palestinians, i think you are the one who is not going to help single palestinian in order to protect the interests of a terrorist organization which you perceive as an only hope for jewish people.
 
zeddd said:
but you are not making arguments against him or Likud, you are not even criticising the Israeli government
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I'm sorry if I confused you.
Ok, I don't like criminals and bigots, which Netanyahu is.
I don't like the party that is in power, the Likud, because of their policies which clearly declare that a State of Palestine will never exit under their watch. (Netanyahu's own words)
I don't like the Israeli government that exists today, because of their policies toward the Palestinian people, such as the continued expansion in the West Bank of illegal settlements, contrary to international law..
Of course there are good people, (at least in my opinion their good) in Israel, that feel that the policies of the Likud party are wrong, it's just a shame that they are a minority and pushed to the sidelines.
So,how do I make myself clearer?
I really have no problem with a State of Israel, I don't wish it off the map, but the policies of Netanyahu and therefore the majority of Jewish people who agree with him, (because they elected him) make it hard to admire.

I'm curious, why do you use quotation marks when using the term Palestinian?
Usually the only people that use it are deniers of even the existence of such a thing as a Palestinian, essentially that they never existed.
Your not like that right?. ​
 
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Jimdamick said:
Stupid huh?
And I say your full of shit.
The rifle used by both the civilian population and the IDF in Israel until they developed their own was either an M-16, a Uzi or the new Tavor, the reason being was availability of ammo.
The AK uses a Russian 7.62x39 round, not easily obtainable, and why would they use it, when they had American rifles and ammo coming out of their asses?
C'mon oh grand wizard, show me ONE image of anyone (except a Palestinian) holding an AK in Israel.
You can't, because it never happened.
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Actually they use the galil. In either 7.62x51 or 5.56. Or used to. Some arw still in ise along the m16.

Russian 7.62x39 is one of the easiest rounds in the world to get.
 
Most humans that believe in unprovable talking points such as religion prefer to be around those that believe the same.
Scientists generally prefer to hang around others that provide the fertile ground for open exchange.
It's human nature to be "racist".
Or should I say animal nature.
People judge others on weight , color, smot poking, every day. Watch yourself closely and you will be amazed.
Humans are snowflakes.
 
Are you actually crying?
crimsonecho said:
Why the quotes around palestinians? Walls are not enough? :)

And you said it yourself he is going after israel not israeli people or jewish people.

As for helping palestinians, i think you are the one who is not going to help single palestinian in order to protect the interests of a terrorist organization which you perceive as an only hope for jewish people.
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Jimdamick said:
I'm curious, why do you use quotation marks when using the term Palestinian?
Usually the only people that use it are deniers of even the existence of such a thing as a Palestinian, essentially that they never existed.
Your not like that right?. ​
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As a tool to trigger those with anti Israeli sentiments?
 
whitebb2727 said:
Actually they use the galil. In either 7.62x51 or 5.56. Or used to. Some arw still in ise along the m16.

Russian 7.62x39 is one of the easiest rounds in the world to get.
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Your right about that rifle, but the Tavor it is more widely used (IDF standard issue) and I guess I am nitpicking.
It's just that AK47"s are not used by settlers or the IDF, at least I've never seen or heard of it being used.
As far as the bullet you are right again, my point was it was a round that isn't used very often in Israel, if at all, so why stockpile it.
 
crimsonecho said:
How could one condone acts of terrorism. This thread is all about that. I condemn hamas rockets and i condemn israeli bombs but please do some research on the subject. Israel has its iron dome to protect from hamas rockets but civilians protesting on the border or trapped in gaza has nothing to protect them from psychopathic israeli soldiers.

Also look up how palestinian lands are being confiscated by using settlers as an excuse. The solution was and still is there to create a two state solution but one side is fucking it up constantly by using these settlers. Systematical shit, shameful.
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Tell me exactly where I condone anything? I actually think Israel has no right to be there as a country starting in 1948. And I agree that Israel is doing some awful shit. But let’s not forget who attacked who back in the day, like I said, it goes way beyond what is being discussed here.
 
dandyrandy said:
Most humans that believe in unprovable talking points such as religion prefer to be around those that believe the same.
Scientists generally prefer to hang around others that provide the fertile ground for open exchange.
It's human nature to be "racist".
Or should I say animal nature.
People judge others on weight , color, smot poking, every day. Watch yourself closely and you will be amazed.
Humans are snowflakes.
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zeddd said:
Are you actually crying?


As a tool to trigger those with anti Israeli sentiments?
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I personally don't need anymore triggers, this one was good enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
 
zeddd said:
Are you actually crying?


As a tool to trigger those with anti Israeli sentiments?
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Hahhah very funny guy you are. So you use the quotion marks as a tool to prove i am anti israel. Well i can tell you right now as i have been saying all this time, i’m against israels crimes against humanity thats it. Having said that i support a two state solution. It makes me an anti-semite right.

Its just funny how miserable your arguments are. Just know this, you cant hide your racism by accusing other people. If the guns were on the hands of palestinians and if it was the jewish people who suffers from these crimes, i’d stand with them too. Thats the difference between you and me.
 
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Jimdamick said:
Your right about that rifle, but the Tavor it is more widely used (IDF standard issue) and I guess I am nitpicking.
It's just that AK47"s are not used by settlers or the IDF, at least I've never seen or heard of it being used.
As far as the bullet you are right again, my point was it was a round that isn't used very often in Israel, if at all, so why stockpile it.
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Fair enough.
 
Budley Doright said:
Tell me exactly where I condone anything? I actually think Israel has no right to be there as a country starting in 1948. And I agree that Israel is doing some awful shit. But let’s not forget who attacked who back in the day, like I said, it goes way beyond what is being discussed here.
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You asked me if i condone hamas and i said how can one condone the acts of terrorism. I’m not accusing you of anything.

Again if we want to see who attacked who and all that bullshit, which i think doesn’t make any difference in whats happening today, you can look at what settlers are doing and how the goverment uses them as an excuse to take the land of palestinians. Because we know palestinians are sub-human and right to exist is only reserved for jewish people. Its sad man, its incredibly shameful.
 
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Right to free speech is only reserved for the powerful in this dystopian world, regardless of their racism or bigotry. This thread may be closed and posts may fall victim to censorship but the words uttered here will never perish! The truth will find a way! Future will belong to those who dont stop standing against fascism. Just like ghetto uprisings, just like many brave men and women who saved little jewish boys and girls from the brutality of the nazis. And i salute countless other heroes and heroines thru the course of human existence who stood up against fascism in all forms.

“All the darkness in the world cant put out the light of one candle.”
 
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crimsonecho said:
You asked me if i condone hamas and i said how can one condone the acts of terrorism. I’m not accusing you of anything.

Again if we want to see who attacked who and all that bullshit, which i think doesn’t make any difference in whats happening today, you can look at what settlers are doing and how the goverment uses them as an excuse to take the land of palestinians. Because we know palestinians are sub-human and right to exist is only reserved for jewish people. Its sad man, its incredibly shameful.
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What do you think the Israeli government should do about the settlers stealing palestinian land?
 
zeddd said:
What do you think the Israeli government should do about the settlers stealing palestinian land?
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What do you think they should do?

I think they should implement whats been negotiated for many years now. They should stop supporting new settlements and relocate the settler population inside the internationally recognized israel borders if there is a safety concern. You cannot let someone build a shed on someone elses property and than annex that land to your country just because you have the power to do so.
 
crimsonecho said:
What do you think they should do?

I think they should implement whats been negotiated for many years now. They should stop supporting new settlements and relocate the settler population inside the internationally recognized israel borders if there is a safety concern. You cannot let someone build a shed on someone elses property and than annex that land to your country just because you have the power to do so.
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What do you think about the following:
“Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind the rocks and the trees, but the rocks and the trees will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him — except for the gharqad tree, which is one of the trees of the Jews.”?
 
zeddd said:
What do you think about the following:
“Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind the rocks and the trees, but the rocks and the trees will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him — except for the gharqad tree, which is one of the trees of the Jews.”?
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Why dont you answer my question first and then maybe we can make a thread about how brutal religion is.

You are trying to justify the sufferings of many many people because some of them believe in this text. This reminds me of goebbels. Literally you are taking a page from nazis book and telling people that all palestinians believe this. So that justifies their extermination. Not trying to educate. I’m not even going to get into the fact that we have prisons for radical elements of every kind. But no, you say this scripture is what they believe in and they should all be exterminated based on this.

Do you stop to think about what you’re saying before you do? This is literally a page from the nazis. Are you so blind that you cannot see or is it something worse.

As this debate goes on, i’m really seeing how racist and fascist people can be. This is not about jewish people being those things but supporters of israels crimes are definitely standing with skinheads in their political views. Humanity lets me down every time.
 
crimsonecho said:
Why dont you answer my question first and then maybe we can make a thread about how brutal religion is.

You are trying to justify the sufferings of many many people because some of them believe in this text. This reminds me of goebbels. Literally you are taking a page from nazis book and telling people that all palestinians believe this. So that justifies their extermination. Not trying to educate. I’m not even going to get into the fact that we have prisons for radical elements of every kind. But no, you say this scripture is what they believe in and they should all be exterminated based on this.

Do you stop to think about what you’re saying before you do? This is literally a page from the nazis. Are you so blind that you cannot see or is it something worse.

As this debate goes on, i’m really seeing how racist and fascist people can be. This is not about jewish people being those things but supporters of israels crimes are definitely standing with skinheads in their political views. Humanity lets me down every time.
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How about this

“In one of his sermons, Saudisheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."[2]
?


Seems pretty harsh, I don’t want to see anyone dying which is why I am explaining Islamic theology to you. I had to “study” it, have you?
 
zeddd said:
How about this

“In one of his sermons, Saudisheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."[2]
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Seems pretty harsh, I don’t want to see anyone dying which is why I am explaining Islamic theology to you. I had to “study” it, have you?
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Oh just relax. I’m well versed in how brutal islam or any other religion is. Again can you keep it on the topic. I don’t care what a book says. If those who believe it, kill for it, then you support the killing of those who believe it. It seems both of you are killing in the name of quran.
 
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