JigFresh's Grow #2 : Vertical Scrog - closet diy dwc - 650w - Headband + Casey Jones

Hey Jig,

I've lurked along all 3 of your threads, and they are simply amazing (so far on the 3rd one). I've learned so much, thank you. I was at Petco last weekend and saw this. This should allow us to visually monitor the status of our airstones via the floats. Hope this helps, they have a variety from 1 to 4 airlines. I'm going to give it a try....

renegadereefer said:

Hey Jig,

I've lurked along all 3 of your threads, and they are simply amazing (so far on the 3rd one). I've learned so much, thank you. I was at Petco last weekend and saw this. This should allow us to visually monitor the status of our airstones via the floats. Hope this helps, they have a variety from 1 to 4 airlines. I'm going to give it a try....

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Nice link renegadereefer, I own a four valve version of that same air valve and it works great.

Hey Jig,
Nice idea unfolding here!
Happy growing!

Thanks smoot, we're all in this together. I was wondering if it would work. I'm pretty advanced in the art of fresh and saltwater aquariums, but have never needed something like this. Seems to me the two tend to mirror eachother (reefs and reefer!) I'm going to take your word for it and give it a try, I'll let you know how it turns out...

RR

WOW! I only came on this site and registered so I could ask an electrical question for a pre- "01110111010001010110010101000100" friend but DAMN!!! I feel inspired to get back to nature and away from the binary way of life. Think you guys and gals might have just saved my life cuz the binary 'medicine' (CRAP I should call it) is killing me at a SPED up rate!!!

Thanks for the concen Gypsy. Thanks for stopping by Survolte. Appreciate the help Hulk. Smoote it's so nice to have you along. Runbysun... good to see you again, glad to see you have your scrog somewhat under control. It's strange, when I look at your grow I am brought back to my scrog. You room is looking nice and green.

Leftdog... you have come to the right place for inspiration my friend. Rollitup is a great place, with some great people, and I (like others) try to harness all those good qualities of the forum in general into my threads. Speaking of inspiration...

RenegadeReefer... dude, stepping out of the shadows baring a gift. Nice. Good karma having your first post be a helpful one. I have always wondered if there was a way to check the airstones without just looking at the bubbles and trying to remember what it looked like a week ago. I went to a pet store today, but no luck. Try again in a couple days.

And about the gague thing.... Smoote.... you knew about this, and didn't share with everyone. What other top secret equipment you got going on over there, haha. Spill it.

Hulk you asked why another hole. Here's what's going on. My other grows I've had two exhausts in my closet. One of those exited through the roof... the other through the door and into my bedroom. The roof exhaust was the one with the giant 'suck and blow' fan (thank tahoe)... that fan was venting only the lights... that's it. The other exhaust was for the room air to be circulate. Now for this grow I want both to vent out the roof. The lights HAVE to vent outside or me and the rest of the family would catch on fire from the heat. Plus the closet would be sitting in a hot room then. Now I want the room exhaust to go outside as well because it will keep the smell, heat, and noise down in the bedroom. While I find sleeping hard with no fan on at all, I would like if I didn't have 100cfm muffin fan blowing 10 feet from my head all night every night.

Oh... the other thing is this. I only ever put a 3" hole in the roof. So my big 435 cfm 6" fan was blowing through 6 - 90 degree turns, 18' of 4" ducting, and was being sent trough 3' of 3" ducting to a 3" breather cap thing... talk about not letting the fan work. So I will use the 3" opening for the room exhuast, and make a new 6" hole for the fan to freely breath out of.

Now... I was going to type more, but completely lost my train of though. I'm making a new post now.

So GypsyBush brought this to my attention (thanks alot by the way). This really helps because I was wondering how I was going to fix my lights to something.... and I beleive I will do it like this contraption, with a cross bar bolted to the walls on both sides holding the lights up.

Man this is a cool little setup. But why would you want to buy something already made when you can do it yourself? You know, besides saving time, effort, heartache, headache, and running around.

Thanks again gypsy.

So the key is ... when you can do it yourself. Knowing my own limitations, that ain't happening ant rime soon .... I'm a little more for the plug and play, but admire those that build and create with their hands, heads and hearts ...... some first class work out there .... yours included!

jigfresh said:

So GypsyBush brought this to my attention (thanks alot by the way). This really helps because I was wondering how I was going to fix my lights to something.... and I beleive I will do it like this contraption, with a cross bar bolted to the walls on both sides holding the lights up.

Man this is a cool little setup. But why would you want to buy something already made when you can do it yourself? You know, besides saving time, effort, heartache, headache, and running around.

Thanks again gypsy.

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Haha man i just came across this little gadget, and have been playing around with it for about a week. So i guess its a little early for a "works great". Don't you worry your pretty little head about that jig i save the good stuff for you.

Thats a nice vertical system you've got there but let me tell you nothing beats Heath's vertical flooded tube set-up on RIU.

I bet you could make a cool tube bracket like that one with a hole saw, a square of wood, and some 90* lumber brackets. I'll have to browse the hardware section the next time I'm at the hardware store.

smoote1987 said:

Thats a nice vertical system you've got there but let me tell you nothing beats Heath's vertical flooded tube set-up on RIU.

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I agree...

But only because of sheer number of plants per light...

his numbers per plant aren't magical...

At 192 with 2 lights.. you get.. 96 per light, which is 10 more than Heath's...

Heath averaged 14.6 grams per lolli in that grow...

You would only need to achieve 13 grams each.. and that is not that difficult to do... just gotta have all the clones at the right size...

I think the efficiency comes form how many plants you can fit.. not so much the style in which they are grown...

Just my thoughts though...

I have done 1.8 g/w with 48 lollies UNDER a 600w...

I can only imagine what I would get if I had 86 or 96 lollies AROUND that light...

jigfresh said:

Hulk you asked why another hole. Here's what's going on. My other grows I've had two exhausts in my closet. One of those exited through the roof... the other through the door and into my bedroom. The roof exhaust was the one with the giant 'suck and blow' fan (thank tahoe)... that fan was venting only the lights... that's it. The other exhaust was for the room air to be circulate. Now for this grow I want both to vent out the roof. The lights HAVE to vent outside or me and the rest of the family would catch on fire from the heat. Plus the closet would be sitting in a hot room then. Now I want the room exhaust to go outside as well because it will keep the smell, heat, and noise down in the bedroom. While I find sleeping hard with no fan on at all, I would like if I didn't have 100cfm muffin fan blowing 10 feet from my head all night every night.

Oh... the other thing is this. I only ever put a 3" hole in the roof. So my big 435 cfm 6" fan was blowing through 6 - 90 degree turns, 18' of 4" ducting, and was being sent trough 3' of 3" ducting to a 3" breather cap thing... talk about not letting the fan work. So I will use the 3" opening for the room exhuast, and make a new 6" hole for the fan to freely breath out of.

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Cant you just make the 3" hole bigger to 6" then put a T or a Y ducing in the hole then you can connect the light and your room outtake to one big 6"hole

Hulk Nugs said:

Cant you just make the 3" hole bigger to 6" then put a T or a Y ducing in the hole then you can connect the light and your room outtake to one big 6"hole

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The problem with that is the difference in pressure of the fans. If I had the light fan, then the y, the air would want to fly out the room fan, you see what I'm saying. And if I had the Y before the fan, then the lights wouldn't be cooled as much and I would have a bunch of air flying through my room that I don't really need. I could do it with dampers and stuff, but that is more money. I love the thought though, keep them coming.

jigfresh said:

The problem with that is the difference in pressure of the fans. If I had the light fan, then the y, the air would want to fly out the room fan, you see what I'm saying. And if I had the Y before the fan, then the lights wouldn't be cooled as much and I would have a bunch of air flying through my room that I don't really need. I could do it with dampers and stuff, but that is more money. I love the thought though, keep them coming.

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Hmmm, your going to have two fans ?? one 435 cfm suck n blow for your lights,(is the fan going on the bottom of the lights like that pic Gypsybush fan is setup? or on the top of the fans?) Then you will have another fan ??? for the room outtake. I was just thinking if both fans are blowing in the same direction up and out that's where all the air flow is going. I wouldn't think that the air from the 435cfm fan would be able to get past another fan blowing aginst the air. not to sure, i think i would work

lmao

but i still cant even find my cfm on my fans been looking over all the instructions, manuals, boxes nothing


good luck man, i got some killer green crack right now very nice
Rip for Jig

GypsyBush said:

I agree...

But only because of sheer number of plants per light...

his numbers per plant aren't magical...

At 192 with 2 lights.. you get.. 96 per light, which is 10 more than Heath's...

Heath averaged 14.6 grams per lolli in that grow...

You would only need to achieve 13 grams each.. and that is not that difficult to do... just gotta have all the clones at the right size...

I think the efficiency comes form how many plants you can fit.. not so much the style in which they are grown...

Just my thoughts though...

I have done 1.8 g/w with 48 lollies UNDER a 600w...

I can only imagine what I would get if I had 86 or 96 lollies AROUND that light...

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Damn i did not know all of that. Hmmmm seems like a much less auspicious system than before, 13 grams is really not that much. Ha the real test would be to try and ScrOG the whole thing.

Also i thought he only used one 600 watt for that entire grow?

I've been wondering though, why all of the vertical systems that I find like the one you linked (there are plenty) have all been some sort of drip system? It seems that nft, aero or even dwc could be adapted to form a vertical cylinder to surround a light. I guess the drip system is the simplest but why not aero, or nft or some mix?

What I liked about heath's system was the simplicity of it as well as the possibility to have almost no expendable materials. Meaning that there was one pump, pumping water a short distance and then gravity did the rest, as well as the option to just use neoprene collars at every site instead of net pots and hydrotron, or some other hydroponic growing medium. Also does hydrotron really make that big of a difference in the ratio of air to water in the root sytem or is just suspending the plant and root system above the water good enough? I vote for the latter. I would have to think that in an nft system such as heath's it will make a big difference where as in a dwc it is less necessary. Any thoughts?

I think you are right about the number of plants that you can pack around the bulb increases efficiency but I also think that correct placement, and equal distance will increase efficiency as well. If I remember correctly heath's set-up was a little bit of a wedge with half an octagon and half a square being as he used a corner to frame two side of the tubes. If he had used a full octagon I bet he could have had a much larger harvest. 2.7 lbs for one 600w light is still crazy! Any way sorry for the tangent jig hope you don't mind, its still about vertical growing at least

Oh and jig it sounds like you need an HVAC specialist, or a good place to reference HVAC information. Let me know if you find a good source of info as I've been trying to read up on forced ventilation and thermodynamics. Basically I want to be able to figure out the exact physics of how ducting shape and size effects air flow as well as the physics of how air and heat interact, mainly how increases and decreases in airflow through a cool tube affect the surrounding environment (temperature). I'm trying to stop "feeling it out" per-say with all my equipment while listening to manufacture recommendations and be able to have the exact math and knowledge to tell me what I need. Caught me dreaming again, someday though.

Alright I'm out, later

Please... keep talking. We don't have to stay on subject. It all just gets the creative juices flowing.

I finally ordered my buckets. I got 3 tubs and 3 lids. No messing things up.

Also took a couple pictures just for fun... not much more progress, sorry.

I am thinking I'll have the lights pointing down, so the base will be above the bulb... any reason this is wrong?

Also I'm going to have the fan after the lights... I'll need to think about the airflow stuff. Thanks again to all for their input... it's much appreciated.

jigfresh said:

Please... keep talking. We don't have to stay on subject. It all just gets the creative juices flowing.

I finally ordered my buckets. I got 3 tubs and 3 lids. No messing things up.

Also took a couple pictures just for fun... not much more progress, sorry.

I am thinking I'll have the lights pointing down, so the base will be above the bulb... any reason this is wrong?

Also I'm going to have the fan after the lights... I'll need to think about the airflow stuff. Thanks again to all for their input... it's much appreciated.

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Jesus jig that screen is bigger than you are, so stoked. Check the burn position of the bulbs you have before you make a decision on hanging. It doesn't really matter where you put the socket as long as its easy to get to and is in accordance with the bulbs specifications. keep up the good work.

Oh yea just finished my new set-up today and am testing environmentals right now. The wife has the nice digi-cam at her parents for the next two weeks so I'm quite literally on my own. So, sorry jig you're going to have to suffer with phone pics.

Well I am glad you have the brain trust all present and accounted for.

I sure don't have much to say....

I know the feeling jesse. Sometimes the intelligence of some others here makes me hide in ignorance. But then I go help others with my new found info (or try at least).

Here's why the slow progress on the closet. I'm redoing my deck. I'll tell you what, one reason not to have a 300 sq ft deck, is so you don't have to refinish the whole thing.

I am doing an above and beyond job. I'm sanding the whole thing with a 5" orbit sander, then cleaning with wood deck cleaner stuff... and after all that I will stain it with a 4" brush.

Here's a pic... it looks soooooo much better in person. The pic is from left to right. Left - how the boards look as is. Center - the boards after being sanded. Right - the boards with sanding and cleaning. They seriously look better than new. New ones aren't sanded as well.

Thanks for looking.

EDIT: I measured and the damn deck is 525 sq. ft. Damn. My back hurts thinking about it.

They look great Jig!

Do it right or don't do it, that's my motto.

Well, ok, not really. But you could imagine what it would be like if it was....

Hey jig... i love your vert grow... I wish more peeps would see the light with these kinds of systems!