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DancesWithWeeds

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I use 7 gal (?)Smart Pots. There is something else I forgot to tell you. When you water by just pouring the water on top it looks for a dry route down. If you spray the soil with your spray bottle until damp and wait for a couple of minutes the water will soak in an go down.
 

DankTankerous

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I use 7 gal (?)Smart Pots. There is something else I forgot to tell you. When you water by just pouring the water on top it looks for a dry route down. If you spray the soil with your spray bottle until damp and wait for a couple of minutes the water will soak in an go down.
Damn, thank you! Answering my questions before I ask!
 

DancesWithWeeds

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Glad to help. Just hope I was right. Also what I found with the Smart Bags is was a root ball that was more of a large 5 gal size. That's probably from the inch or two of drier soil around the edge of the inside of the bag. I think that may be a little helpful in keeping the moisture right. Kind of like having a large garden and only keeping the right moisture level around your vigi's.

After thinking about it for a while I think the smaller bags would be a LOT harder to manage than the larger bags with trying to manage moisture.

I think your said something in one post about pulling it. My advice for someone with less experience than the pros is to save the plant, even if you have to start another to have bud. There's a lot of satisfaction (but maybe little smoke) and a lot of learning in saving a plant.

Let me know how it turns out.
 

DancesWithWeeds

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I'm going to be busy for the rest of the afternoon but this evening I'll take some pics that show exactly what I'm talking about. I haven't seen this info any place else about moister in bags and I've looked. It must be there someplace, but obscure.
 

DankTankerous

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Glad to help. Just hope I was right. Also what I found with the Smart Bags is was a root ball that was more of a large 5 gal size. That's probably from the inch or two of drier soil around the edge of the inside of the bag. I think that may be a little helpful in keeping the moisture right. Kind of like having a large garden and only keeping the right moisture level around your vigi's.

After thinking about it for a while I think the smaller bags would be a LOT harder to manage than the larger bags with trying to manage moisture.

I think your said something in one post about pulling it. My advice for someone with less experience than the pros is to save the plant, even if you have to start another to have bud. There's a lot of satisfaction (but maybe little smoke) and a lot of learning in saving a plant.

Let me know how it turns out.
Yeah it’s been real tough keeping the right moisture level. I’m learning so that’s good! It’s funny when you think you really know what you’re doing until you find out you’re not watering correctly. Lol

I want to keep it, it has a lot of favorable attributes and it’s a really nice plant. I’m pretty sure i’ll be able to clone it then start over with new soil.

The hardest thing for me has been patience and high expectations. I believe my expectations are waaaaay to high and the way I’m measuring success is kind of in attainable. I’m expecting big ass buds, dank smells, huge yields, and no problems. I’m positive I can attain all of those eventually but the last one is B.S.
 

Mustangmike

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Yeah it’s been real tough keeping the right moisture level. I’m learning so that’s good! It’s funny when you think you really know what you’re doing until you find out you’re not watering correctly. Lol

I want to keep it, it has a lot of favorable attributes and it’s a really nice plant. I’m pretty sure i’ll be able to clone it then start over with new soil.

The hardest thing for me has been patience and high expectations. I believe my expectations are waaaaay to high and the way I’m measuring success is kind of in attainable. I’m expecting big ass buds, dank smells, huge yields, and no problems. I’m positive I can attain all of those eventually but the last one is B.S.
Yeah sometimes no issues sometimes random bug attacks sometimes electricity issues just look at any farm operation they have good years and bad ones man! It’s a rewarding plant good luck and happy growing I wish you success!
 

DancesWithWeeds

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I believe my expectations are waaaaay to high
Actually, that's why I thought my last three grows were failures. After spending a lot of time on several forums I see that my grows were more average than below. People always post either these fantastic plants that look like a party for the whole state or something that you have to decide whether to take it to the hospital or the compost.

I'm on my way out now to take the pics. they should be up soon.
 

DancesWithWeeds

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These pics show some of things I was talking about.

On this pic look at where the tester is and low it is. This looks and feels dry.
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Next picture is a couple of inches in, maybe half way to the plant. The tester reads almost wet.
2-Almost Wet.jpg
The fan is from a microwave. Haven't figured out were to mount it yet but I think for smart bags it needs to blow up and not down on the soil. And the air should not blow directly onto the bag (my opinion).
3-The Fan.jpg
This is my grow room (for now).
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Hay, Man, I keep track of all these things. Please keep posting so we can know the outcome.

8-) I hope you have a good grow.:weed: Now that we have this taken care of for tonight let's sit back and enjoy passing the pipe.bongsmilie
 
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DankTankerous

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These pics show some of things I was talking about.

On this pic look at where the tester is and low it is. This looks and feels dry.
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Next picture is a couple of inches in, maybe half way to the plant. The tester reads almost wet.
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The fan is from a microwave. Haven't figured out were to mount it yet but I think for smart bags it needs to blow up and not down on the soil. And the air should not blow directly onto the bag (my opinion).
View attachment 4219904
This is my grow room (for now).
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Hay, Man, I keep track of all these things. Please keep posting so we can know the outcome.

8-) I hope you have a good grow.:weed: Now that we have this taken care of for tonight let's sit back and enjoy passing the pipe.bongsmilie
Hey dude, I think you’re right. It’ll be needing water tomorrow or the next day. It did perk up quite a bit after last watering. I put the plant in my sink, as to water from the bottom, and then tried watering from the top, but again it just falls off and doesn’t soak the top at all. I did all of that before you gave your advice, so i’ll be using your method next time.

No I won’t be giving up, to give up now would rob me of the momentum and learning from my mistakes. Right now the pH is off and I don’t know how to bring it down lower from the alkaline level it’s at. Here in a few days I’m going to top dress it with fresh Earthworm castings from my own Worm bin. I’m hoping the EWC and worms will balance the pH
Good luck on the cuts , hopefully she recovers after being moved. Keep a close eye out I think I see a mag deficiency creeping in.
So the soil pH is at 7.5 and when the soil isn’t at the right pH it stops taking up Mg (from what I have read). If I water it with Epsom Salt will that further my pH up and not provide the plant with the needed Mg? Should I foiliar feed with it?

Yeah sometimes no issues sometimes random bug attacks sometimes electricity issues just look at any farm operation they have good years and bad ones man! It’s a rewarding plant good luck and happy growing I wish you success!
Thank you for that advice, I needed to hear that.
 
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DancesWithWeeds

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What do you think about putting the Smart Bags in a plastic bag? Would that keep the water from evaporating from the outside and may even out the moisture? That's the only thing I have against the bags. I just had a pro grower tell me he went back to plastic pots. Kind of makes you wonder about bags.

Man!!! This stuff I've got makes me just want to keep writing.
 

INF Flux

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Hi Dank and friends.
I have an idea that might help you to learn watering.
Get a bathroom scale. Fill up a same as you are using sized pot with dry soil. Record the weight.
Water in 2 qts of water. That's all. Record the weight.
You now have a rough baseline of saturated and dry. Bearing in mind that a growing plant will change your baseline, this should get you into the ballpark of soil moisture sweet zone until you learn to listen to your plants.
I often water mature flowering plants with only about a qt and a half. Use a circular pattern to ensure the water is distributed evenly.
A couple questions.
You are using pre amended soil? Have you thought about watering either just h2o or only coconut water or aloe added, not using ferts in watering but instead top dressing on the regular and allowing the bacteria, worms, bugs and fungi to create the ferts in house?
Do you have a thriving earthworm community in your soil? If not, I highly recommend red wigglers.
I've only been at this for 4 years, went full on organic living soil about a year and a half ago, love it, haven't looked back.
It's good, with this method, to worry less about the plant and more about the soil health. Also larger containers will be able to support a more diverse and resilient community of helper organisms.
I'm not sure if I've seen you pop into my journal or not, trying to record what I do, when i do. It's here- https://www.rollitup.org/t/budget-no-frills-led-bs.975849/#post-14472356
If you have not already read the pinned living organic soil thread in the organics section here that's a great compilation of many organics practices and techniques.
 

INF Flux

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you may want to find a scale with finer measurement than a bathroom scale, was just the first thing that came to mind. the water weight will only be about 2.5 lbs so perhaps a large kitchen scale would be better?
 

DankTankerous

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Hi Dank and friends.
I have an idea that might help you to learn watering.
Get a bathroom scale. Fill up a same as you are using sized pot with dry soil. Record the weight.
Water in 2 qts of water. That's all. Record the weight.
You now have a rough baseline of saturated and dry. Bearing in mind that a growing plant will change your baseline, this should get you into the ballpark of soil moisture sweet zone until you learn to listen to your plants.
I often water mature flowering plants with only about a qt and a half. Use a circular pattern to ensure the water is distributed evenly.
A couple questions.
You are using pre amended soil? Have you thought about watering either just h2o or only coconut water or aloe added, not using ferts in watering but instead top dressing on the regular and allowing the bacteria, worms, bugs and fungi to create the ferts in house?
Do you have a thriving earthworm community in your soil? If not, I highly recommend red wigglers.
I've only been at this for 4 years, went full on organic living soil about a year and a half ago, love it, haven't looked back.
It's good, with this method, to worry less about the plant and more about the soil health. Also larger containers will be able to support a more diverse and resilient community of helper organisms.
I'm not sure if I've seen you pop into my journal or not, trying to record what I do, when i do. It's here- https://www.rollitup.org/t/budget-no-frills-led-bs.975849/#post-14472356
If you have not already read the pinned living organic soil thread in the organics section here that's a great compilation of many organics practices and techniques.
Thank you! I already follow your journal! I’ll definitely check it out. I have a Worm Bin here at my place that i’ll be harvesting here in a few days. I have added maybe 15, i’ll add some more. I would like to start doing no-till but I would like to complete a few grows before I fully go. Like work my way towards no-till.
 

INF Flux

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Thank you! I already follow your journal! I’ll definitely check it out. I have a Worm Bin here at my place that i’ll be harvesting here in a few days. I have added maybe 15, i’ll add some more. I would like to start doing no-till but I would like to complete a few grows before I fully go. Like work my way towards no-till.
I started with a supersoil mimicking mix and didn't go full no till for about 6 months, in retrospect, that was 6 wasted months.
Beginning with a nutrient rich mix is a great way to go but there is no reason not to implement full on no till practices right from the get go. Lasagna tech and all that.
If I had it to do over, I would have mixed the super soil and immediately started top dressing and water or water+ Coconut, Aloe, Hu Zhang root, Molasses, etc, while adding beneficials and developing companion plants. I just moved the whole grow to a more controllable space so I'm sort of redoing that process though I am ahead of the game because things were already fairly established in the old space. The major issue with that is I've had some die off in the soil and companions due to the move. Things are bouncing back nicely now.
I do feel i have a bit of a secret weapon with the aquaponics I do. You could get the same benefits for your grow by simply keeping a fish tank and using the waste water from that. Fish poop is good shit:leaf:
 

DancesWithWeeds

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Today I got some 13gal tall kitchen trash bags and slid my smart pots in. Almost a skintight fit. Pulled the top down (double thickness) on the pot. Haven't cut the bottom out yet but will when I go back out.

When I checked it about 6 hours latter the moisture in the pot was the same everyplace it was checked in all 5 pots. That might be our moisture control in smart pots that will keep them from drying out along the sides. :blsmoke:

I would expect to see a much bigger root ball if it works.8)
 

DankTankerous

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Today I got some 13gal tall kitchen trash bags and slid my smart pots in. Almost a skintight fit. Pulled the top down (double thickness) on the pot. Haven't cut the bottom out yet but will when I go back out.

When I checked it about 6 hours latter the moisture in the pot was the same everyplace it was checked in all 5 pots. That might be our moisture control in smart pots that will keep them from drying out along the sides. :blsmoke:

I would expect to see a much bigger root ball if it works.8)
So I completely submerged my smart pot in water. Spraying the top and then watering still wasn’t penetrating and soaking. My plant seemed to perk up but that’s about it, it’s still droopy as hell.

Let me know how the plastic bags over the pots work. I have some hesitations about it though, I’m afraid it won’t breath because of plastic and that the moisture will stay between the plastic and the fabric pot and develop mold. I could very well be wrong.
 

DankTankerous

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I started with a supersoil mimicking mix and didn't go full no till for about 6 months, in retrospect, that was 6 wasted months.
Beginning with a nutrient rich mix is a great way to go but there is no reason not to implement full on no till practices right from the get go. Lasagna tech and all that.
If I had it to do over, I would have mixed the super soil and immediately started top dressing and water or water+ Coconut, Aloe, Hu Zhang root, Molasses, etc, while adding beneficials and developing companion plants. I just moved the whole grow to a more controllable space so I'm sort of redoing that process though I am ahead of the game because things were already fairly established in the old space. The major issue with that is I've had some die off in the soil and companions due to the move. Things are bouncing back nicely now.
I do feel i have a bit of a secret weapon with the aquaponics I do. You could get the same benefits for your grow by simply keeping a fish tank and using the waste water from that. Fish poop is good shit:leaf:
There are a lot of reasons why I don’t go no till just yet, first you need a 15 gal smart pot, my cabinet is 16”x32”x60” I think the 15 gal smart pot would be too wide. The upfront cost alone is like 300 bucks, then the instructions with watering is just silly, how do those folks not over-water. It just seems too complicated for me, I over complicate things enough. I feel like it’s information overload. Also, I don’t have feminized seeds and that’s what you have to have if not that then clones. Right now my focus is to grow this plant and get it to a healthy stage, how can I start no-till then if I don’t even know what I’m doing right now?

I love your enthusiasm but going no-till is no small feat, I believe you need a little bit more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge. I have grown plants (not just cannabis) for 3 almost 4 years and I still don’t know what I’m doing.

People have been growing cannabis before the no-till method and I just want to do that. Is no-till better? Fuck yes it is, I just want to grow a decent plant and until I do that, then i’ll Go to no-till. I’m working on Labs and I have some Kashi mix and Malted Barley from BaS coming in so...
 

INF Flux

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There are a lot of reasons why I don’t go no till just yet, first you need a 15 gal smart pot, my cabinet is 16”x32”x60” I think the 15 gal smart pot would be too wide. The upfront cost alone is like 300 bucks, then the instructions with watering is just silly, how do those folks not over-water. It just seems too complicated for me, I over complicate things enough. I feel like it’s information overload. Also, I don’t have feminized seeds and that’s what you have to have if not that then clones. Right now my focus is to grow this plant and get it to a healthy stage, how can I start no-till then if I don’t even know what I’m doing right now?

I love your enthusiasm but going no-till is no small feat, I believe you need a little bit more knowledge than someone who has no knowledge. I have grown plants (not just cannabis) for 3 almost 4 years and I still don’t know what I’m doing.

People have been growing cannabis before the no-till method and I just want to do that. Is no-till better? Fuck yes it is, I just want to grow a decent plant and until I do that, then i’ll Go to no-till. I’m working on Labs and I have some Kashi mix and Malted Barley from BaS coming in so...
I feel ya man, easier than you know though. Building life in your soil now will set you up for good things if/ when you do go that route. I did outdoor testbeds last year with veggies and this year the difference was dramatic.
Great thing about it is you can ease into it and slowly reduce inputs you have to purchase as the soil food web gets established. Don't stress the 800 different things you can amend with, they are just ingredients on the table.
 

DancesWithWeeds

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I’m afraid it won’t breath because of plastic and that the moisture will stay between the plastic and the fabric pot and develop mold.
That could be, but whats the difference between a bag or plastic pot? I'm thinking that the fabric will act about like soil as far as absorption goes. Besides the the bottom is completely open. Just from sitting overnight the soil looks a lot better. I had just transplanted my four clones to the 7gal bags and watered them in so the was a bit too wet. Also moved the fan to blow across the top of the soil.

This whole grow for me was an experiment so I'm looking for what happens. No matter whether it works or not I will have an answer that otherwise, well...:???:

As for the experiment: Mainlining, cloning, lights, and now grow bags.:shock: And the best part is I think this will be a good harvest.:bigjoint:


The idea:idea: of the bags isn't to keep the moisture in, it's to reduce the pot's breathing. Sort of like a paper bag for someone that hyperventilating.

OMG, I enjoy doing these happy faces when I'm...:eyesmoke: Have a good day. I'm on my way out to cut slots.
(I tried to read thru this to see if it makes sense but I'm only seeing one word at a time. Doesn't make sense to me right now.)

I will keep an eye open:shock: for mold. Maybe cutting a slots in the plastic would end the worries. Glad you mentioned that.:clap:
I just want to grow a decent plant
Exactly!!!
 

Kushash

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So I have a bit of a plot twist. When I was transplanting, it looked root bound. So I didn’t knock any loose dirt as there was none it was completely enveloped in roots. The root system was spread throughout the soil so shaking or tearing roots off would have done more harm than good. I transplanted the 2-3 gallon in a 5gal smart pot with 90%FFOF and 10% Vermiculite. After 30 mins of watering the leaves did perk up. Honestly I don’t know what to expect from here.

On a side note the FFOF is super fluffyseems like it drains really well, better than Vermisoil/fire. I believe in past grows the drainage wasn’t all that great using Vermi but I got a good feeling about thisFFOF. Anyways here are the pictures
Hi DankTankerous.

I skimmed through and the 1st couple of pages.

My guess is you needed to take a knife to the roots when you transplanted in post #18

The roots in that picture have a great color.

When a plant is that rootbound and you put it in fresh soil the way it is the water can sometimes have an umbrella affect going around the root ball and the water may not penetrate into the root ball choosing the path of least resistance.

More info can be found doing a google search for "transplanting a rootbound plant".
Someone tried to call Hot Rod Harley over, to do that the @ symbol is needed. @hotrodharley
 
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