Journal of my attempt at the "Mr Green" hydro setup (with influence from Al B Fuct)

I got the 15min segment timer installed and set to run 15on & 15off. So far it seems to be working as well or better than before. I'm really interested to see if I get less of the roots starting in the neoprene on the next run.

Decided that 3 of the plants I put in to flower were a bit too far behind the rest, so replaced them with the 3 best clones from this current batch. I'm hoping since the first batch I put in to flower weren't really ready to go that they will 'average out' with these 3 new ones. I decided to leave them on my current week 1 nutes for another week to give the new additions time to get settled.

I also did my first lollipoppin! I've added a picture of a plant before and after the lollipoppin. Does it look like I did it right?

I was pretty sure my plants were all girls, but now I know for sure

I've also attached a picture of the Flower Tray after the lollipoppin and one of the clone roots from my aerocloner. In the next couple of days I'll be transferring the best clone from each mother to pots of hydroton. These will be placed in a side tray in my Veg room until they are big enough to replace their original mothers.

Hey Ahz, you seem to be pretty experienced in mr greens gig.

I've just started a new crop about 3 weeks ago using Greens aero setup straight off ( 1st time for this type of setup, usually I let them grow outside in soil so I'm new to hydro/aero ), have been using Dutchmaster original a/b at half strength, when would you say it would be best to go full strength? I run my ph at 6.0 with no probs. Also have you ever used Dutchmaster? Do I need to add anything else to help them along bigger?

hey those roots like they are gonna bite somebody! i have had trainwreck in my cloner for a week now and still nothing, then i realized where i had them got too cold at night, clones like warmer water, some people even put heaters in the cloner, ontop of that i find out trainwreck is a hard strain to clone, they better show roots soon cus i may not have anything to clone in a few days

Stussy said:

Hey Ahz, you seem to be pretty experienced in mr greens gig.

I've just started a new crop about 3 weeks ago using Greens aero setup straight off ( 1st time for this type of setup, usually I let them grow outside in soil so I'm new to hydro/aero ), have been using Dutchmaster original a/b at half strength, when would you say it would be best to go full strength? I run my ph at 6.0 with no probs. Also have you ever used Dutchmaster? Do I need to add anything else to help them along bigger?

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This is my first grow, so I'm no pro, but the information that I went by was this...

When you see a second set of true leaves (don't count those first leaves that pop up from a seedling) then you can switch to full strength nutes - this will be approx 2 weeks after starting on the 1/2 strength nutes.

...My first batch took about 3 weeks before I went to full strength, but I had some overwatering issues in the beginning that slowed them down.

I've not used Dutchmaster nutes, just the Gen Hydro 3 part series - no other fancy additives or anything. I just use the nutes and some H2O2 . H2O2 is an awesome way to keep your tank clean and plants happy. You just need to make sure your nutes are not "organic based" when using H2O2 (I think you're safe with Dutchmaster, but not positive). The Al B Fuct recommended amounts of H2O2 are 5ml/Gal of 35% H2O2. The problem I've run into as of late is that the hydro shops in my area have stopped carrying H2O2 due to it's possible use in bomb making/they get fined (The Man keepin me down).

morrisgreenberg said:

hey those roots like they are gonna bite somebody! i have had trainwreck in my cloner for a week now and still nothing, then i realized where i had them got too cold at night, clones like warmer water, some people even put heaters in the cloner, ontop of that i find out trainwreck is a hard strain to clone, they better show roots soon cus i may not have anything to clone in a few days

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WOO HOO!! Lovin them roots

I've gotta say that getting that aerocloner was one of the best purchases for my operation.

How cold were they getting at night? Is it the water temp that was getting too low, or just the air temp?

I wish I was sure of which strain I'm growing (bag seed collection from many bags), but at least this way I can get the kinks worked out of the operation before I purchase seeds/clones. Once I get this batch through I hope to get ahold of some Blueberry and Hog

both,air temp went to 60 at night and 68 in the day, water temps were around 65-68, i have excellent results at over 70 and up to 75water temps, like 3 days and i get nublets and by 7 days a full root system

morrisgreenberg said:

both,air temp went to 60 at night and 68 in the day, water temps were around 65-68, i have excellent results at over 70 and up to 75water temps, like 3 days and i get nublets and by 7 days a full root system

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Mine's been running around 74 for water temps, and the room is between 75 and 80. It's just crazy how a little difference in the environment can make such a big difference in the results.

I'm happy to report that the plants in my flower room are perking up nicely, and a few are showing some lovely little crystals

thats why h2o2 isnt around, my local shop said it was discontinued, i used grotek 35% @3/ml per gal, i have to buy quarts of 3% now, but for cleaning purposes, but 35% is no joke, you get that on your hands and your skin turns white and burns, i guess we're all better off just using 25ML of the watered down stuff

i dont want to rain on your parade but those plants don't seem big enough for a flowering chamber and you dont really lollipop till there at least a foot or soo ...your better bet is stop watching that green dressed up dude..and switch to urban grower....urbangrower.com ....you grow to 2 feet...chop done to 12 inchs let it regro to 18 inchs..then you lollipop...good luck...

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I wanna go back and read now...

But I must ask...

NaturalHigh... I have GREAT respect for you and your grow...

But I have no idea what you are talking about there...

Could you please elaborate on your lollipoping technique...?

I am new to all this and you just lost me there for a sec...

Thanks...!!!

Oh and here is my latest updates.. I'd appreciate any comments or tips...

Cheers


https://www.rollitup.org/2472376-post115.html
https://www.rollitup.org/2472369-post746.html

morrisgreenberg said:

thats why h2o2 isnt around, my local shop said it was discontinued, i used grotek 35% @3/ml per gal, i have to buy quarts of 3% now, but for cleaning purposes, but 35% is no joke, you get that on your hands and your skin turns white and burns, i guess we're all better off just using 25ML of the watered down stuff

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I still get gallons of 35% at bghydro.com, it goes under the product name "Oxyblast" ... or something very similar.

I wont go the 3% route, so hopefully they'll continue to carry it, otherwise I'll end up having to experiment with some other form of pathogen control. ugh.

Hey guys...

Sorry to barge in...

I found this to be extremely useful...

We were discussing this type of thing here the other day...

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/113191-hydroponic-perpetual-grow-community-72.html

Thought I'd share...

I found a very similar one on H2O2... I'll see about bringing it to you...

Cheers...

GypsyBush said:

Hey guys...

Sorry to barge in...

I found a very similar one on H2O2... I'll see about bringing it to you...

Cheers...

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I found it...

I hope this helps people put...

I read that article in an Urban Gardener mag that I got for free at a hydro shop.

probably great info... however, AlBfuct's methods include it, and he gets good results. I fear the pathogens, so I use it too, and I also get good results... I finally tried H2O2 after too many bouts with pythium.

There's more than one way to skin a cat! I know one thing though, and that is that I can grow excellent stuff with just GH fora series nutes, and H2O2, no additives.

I apologize for the thread jack, I just wanted to chime in on where I get my Hydrogen Peroxide 35% at.

I was just trying to get people's opinion, I don't take it as truth just cause I saw it on the magazine...lol...

I am new to all this and just trying to sort it all out...

As Yak said... apologies for the thread jack...

BTW.. I am familiar w/ Fuct's op... I am actually trying to mimic it... with a few differences to suit my hand...

I would love your opinion...

Cheers...
https://www.rollitup.org/2472376-post115.html
https://www.rollitup.org/2472369-post746.html

GypsyBush said:

I was just trying to get people's opinion, I don't take it as truth just cause I saw it on the magazine...lol...

I am new to all this and just trying to sort it all out...

As Yak said... apologies for the thread jack...

BTW.. I am familiar w/ Fuct's op... I am actually trying to mimic it... with a few differences to suit my hand...

I would love your opinion...

Cheers...
https://www.rollitup.org/2472376-post115.html
https://www.rollitup.org/2472369-post746.html

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No apologies necessary - I love the input!

I didn't really realize H2O2 was doing all that, but once ya think about it, it does make a lot of sense. All I know for sure is that the first couple tanks I did were quite scummy by the end of a week, and since I've used the H2O2 it's been much less.

I'm experimenting with AquaShield and Hygrozyme in my flower & clone tanks. I've been upping the amounts of each of them when I do a flower tank change (seems 5ml each in my 2gal aerocloner works really well, so no more uppin there). I haven't had my tank out to really look it over this week, but will tomorrow evening when I do the change. I'm up to 100ml ea in the 14gal tank.

I just got done potting 3 more of this batch of clones - these will be replacement mothers. I've attached a couple pictures from the potting, one of the remaining clones (prior to potting), and one of the veg room after setting up my rickety side tray for the new mothers.

Very nice...

Nice clone action for sure...

I am still stuck in the RW cubes with the occasional RR plug...

It would be nice to build an aerocloner...

Do you run a timer on yours?

Cheers!

Oh and I love Hygrozyme...

Nice white roots.. no slime at all....

YaK said:

I still get gallons of 35% at bghydro.com, it goes under the product name "Oxyblast" ... or something very similar.

I wont go the 3% route, so hopefully they'll continue to carry it, otherwise I'll end up having to experiment with some other form of pathogen control. ugh.

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Thanks for the info!

I've not ordered anything for my operation online as of yet - little nervous due to my state not being Medical Marijuana friendly (don't wanna end up on some list ). The price per gallon from BGHydro ($30) seems pretty good - I was paying $13 a quart previously.

GypsyBush said:

Very nice...

Nice clone action for sure...

I am still stuck in the RW cubes with the occasional RR plug...

It would be nice to build an aerocloner...

Do you run a timer on yours?

Cheers!

Oh and I love Hygrozyme...

Nice white roots.. no slime at all....

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Yep - after chatting with a few people on RIU (props to morrisgreenberg) I added a 15min segment timer. I have it set for 15on/15off for this round. My roots have really taken off since I added it - coulda been because they were in the machine for about a week before I added the timer tho...

naturalhigh said:

i dont want to rain on your parade but those plants don't seem big enough for a flowering chamber and you dont really lollipop till there at least a foot or soo ...your better bet is stop watching that green dressed up dude..and switch to urban grower....urbangrower.com ....you grow to 2 feet...chop done to 12 inchs let it regro to 18 inchs..then you lollipop...good luck...

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I've never heard of lollipoppin being done in quite that manner - I'll definitely check out the info on urbangrower and see what that's all about.
--> Found some info on Urban Grower - Vol 35 Pruning. If that's what you're referring to then I can understand where you're coming from. The difference is that he's growing monster pants in a huge space - I'd do the same if I had more space...

I want my plants to be small due to space constraints - don't have a ton of head space. This is also my first batch in the flowering room, so I'm fixing the glitches as they come up

The "green dressed up dude" didn't go into lollipopping plants at all - he seemed to be more of a "bush" grower.

I learned about lollipopping while researching grow room setups here on RIU and other sites, and thought it was the way to go. The Al B Fuct method is to cut 9" clones and once you get roots ya throw them in the flower room - the clones currently in my flower room were between 6 and 9" when they were cut - perhaps I buried them too deep in the hydroton?