Journal of my attempt at the "Mr Green" hydro setup (with influence from Al B Fuct)

gypsy i know you asked the other guy to elaborate about lollipopping techniques, your grow my firned is the epitome of lollipoping, it is us should be asking you about your technique

AWP, all them clones rooted nicely, i also noticed you left some more "meat" on them bones, didnt you notice the barrier effect i spoke about a while back? i think your golden with 6-9in clones, as they flower just make sure to trim off the little popcorn thats gonna try to grow at the bottom of the stalk, if you dont you will get small undesirable sidebranching that aint for the energy expended by the plant.you will end up with drum sticks! gypsy's grow is perfect for little head space, although, a contructive criticism, i think his tables are a little too high for my tastes, but works great for him obviously, i like to have options personally and woulda made a table not as tall so i can grow out larger plants if i so choose, i just put up a 3x3 table for mothers and i got the tray 20inchs off the ground and keep them a decent distance from the 1000w, but if you look at gypsy's op(props to you gypsy) you can tell he has fast turnaround, prolly rocking a harvest every 55days, SOG in soil sucks, to hook up 40 plants although i got great yield, was a ton of work to water and flush, but was a success and a good learning process, AWP i think that cloner although i build em myself, was a perfect investment for you and watching the frustration from a few weeks ago and dead clones, im actually thrilled that yuor op no matter the size is gonna turn into a factory!

Hahaha..

MG that is very kind of you to say...

Everything that you see has been copied from others... mostly Al...

The lollipop technique is 100% Al B. Fuct... down to the RW cubes being water by weight...lol...

I did change the RW floc for straight Hydroton in my pots... and again as Al B. Fuct suggests... with the cube 1/2" above the flood...

As for the height of the trays... this is where one realizes I am still a newb...

But I have my excuses...

I built all the frame work, up and down stairs, on crutches.. by myself..lol... lots of cursing involved...lol..

I also built the frame to accomodate the trays hanging from the outer lip... but I quickly realized that there was just too much flex and something bad woul happen soon...

So I moved the trays up and supported them with 2x4s...

The end result was that I lost 7 or 8 inches on my already high trays...

So... yeah, I would rather have the tray lower and lower the light to it than raise the whole set up like I did...

Fucking newbs.. lol...

freakin newbs lol, you dont really need anything else its perfect, i see a small army of clones holding spears, so i dont think i can tell you anything at this point =)

morrisgreenberg said:

freakin newbs lol, you dont really need anything else its perfect, i see a small army of clones holding spears, so i dont think i can tell you anything at this point =)

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GypsyBush said:

The end result was that I lost 7 or 8 inches on my already high trays...

So... yeah, I would rather have the tray lower and lower the light to it than raise the whole set up like I did...

Fucking newbs.. lol...

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It's pretty amazing what us freakin newbs can do with a little help!

You guys rock! I really appreciate all your input ::

ALL HAIL AL B. FUCT !!!!

hahaha...

serious though... the man has shown me the light....

gypsy, i know you can do serious damage, probably double your output turnng that room into an aero gro, perfect for single cola soggin, forget arms, im talking colas the size of a chubby girl's cankles

morrisgreenberg said:

colas the size of a chubby girl's cankles

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LMAO - That's quite the comparison

whats the dimensions of your space Az? i know you seen stink buds thread, and i see gypsy like build stuff, i had a 3x6 closet, one tube aero grow, spaced out the sites and grew bushes, very versitle systems, also the same kush strain took 70days in soil, finished in 50 aero, i know flood and drain and top feed cant compare to that

Shit... I could triple my yields if I just quit fucking up...!!!

2 months ago I accidentally spilled some of Gypsy's Miniaturizing Potion on a batch of clones...

It wa just a little, so I thought it'd be all right...

Fuck was I wrong... lol..

Although these are not full fledged miniatures...they are too fucking small...

You speak of cankles... I'll be lucky to get a oinky toe out of each this time...

It's only a partial tray, but for sure it is my lowest G/W EVER... even the aerogarden did better...

Fuck!!!

Yeah and you guys think I am some kinda hot shot... lol...

Well, here is a pic of my fuck up...lol...

I go for ebb flow because I am a lazy stoner...lol..

It's deff. not the most efficient, but by golly! it lets me be lazy...lol...

But I really want to look into foggers..

Have you seen NG's new grow?

Check this...My Journal and also his How To: Cheat on a High School Math Test

He does DWC/Fogger...

But there is a company called "Nutramist" or something that does Ebb/Flow plus fogger ..

They even have a retrofit kit...

like this..

http://www.nutramist.com/retrofit.html



But like I said I am lazy...lol..

So I will probably stick to this for now...

I would love to grow some BIG TREES like MBlaze... I just can't justify the veg time...

Right now, if I wanted to grow like him, I would have at least 5 to 6 months with no harvest...

Coming from a harvest every 2 weeks, that is hard....

There are so many options...lol...

Dude... I'm like... sooo baked on kief right now...lol...

looked like you got a few zips on those screens, i imagine you get a solid harvest monthly with all those tables, i got a great idea for you, the screen setup is good, grab some black poly and make that a tent, i use an Al tote drying techniqe with bathroom exhaust fans, works great but since shelved it since i dont trust things drying too fast, ican wait the 5-7 days, my issues is curing, i got tons of glass jars but i want larger, any ideas? like enough room for a couple elbows

morrisgreenberg said:

looked like you got a few zips on those screens,

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Yeah.. should be triple that if not more...

morrisgreenberg said:

i imagine you get a solid harvest monthly with all those tables,

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Every two weeks..lol...

morrisgreenberg said:

i got a great idea for you,

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Shoot...

morrisgreenberg said:

the screen setup is good,

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Thanks!

It's crude, but it works...

morrisgreenberg said:

grab some black poly and make that a tent,

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Uh... the screens hang insode of a beautiful antique wardrobe...lol..

Do I really need a tent?...lol..

morrisgreenberg said:

i use an Al tote drying techniqe with bathroom exhaust fans, works great but since shelved it since i dont trust things drying too fast,

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That is why I have it thermostatically controlled... to 75F

I regulate the temperature...

morrisgreenberg said:

ican wait the 5-7 days, my issues is curing,

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Sure, this is not a way to fast cure... it's just my permanent drying rack inside of my wardrobe...lol...

I do have a heater to keep the cold away, a small circ fan and and exhaust fan...

morrisgreenberg said:

i got tons of glass jars but i want larger, any ideas? like enough room for a couple elbows

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I would stay away from that idea...

But that's just me....

I like doing it a bit at a time... no more than 1oz.. even if there's 20... ...lol..

what do i do, i fit a z in a mason jar, not cool when you have 160 of them =x

OH...

well, I have never had to deal with that.. sorry..

I imagine a vacuum packer would do.. but I really have no idea...

I have seen sealed 55 gallon drums of weed, but I still would not go that route...

I'm just small time I guess...lol..

morrisgreenberg said:

whats the dimensions of your space Az?

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Veg side is 26" Deep x 44" Wide x 71" Tall
Flower side is 26" Deep x 48" Wide x 71" Tall
It's a largish closet in the basement - insulated it and made it a grow room

GypsyBush said:

OH...

well, I have never had to deal with that.. sorry..

I imagine a vacuum packer would do.. but I really have no idea...

I have seen sealed 55 gallon drums of weed, but I still would not go that route...

I'm just small time I guess...lol..

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I'm dreaming of the day I have the issue of not knowing what to do with all my weed

...for now I'm just happy I have a batch of girls in the flower room!

Things seem to be progressing quite nicely.
The 3 plants I introduced to the flower side late are now starting to show flowers

They will likely spend a little more time in there than the rest, but no big whoop.

2 of the new mothers are starting to show some good signs, but one is a bit gimpy. Hopefully it'll pull outta it.

Topped off both nute tanks today - added a gallon of water to each & lowered pH to 5.6.

This weekend I plan to do a little more cleanup on the gals in the flower room - lollipoppin.

Here's a few new pic's for your enjoyment...

lookin good and strong bro, 6 out of 18 of my trainwrecks finally rooted and few others are showing "nublets" 14 days in the cloner...let me tell you something, in the aero cloner i never do anything to the stems, when i use RW i usually give the stems a good scraping, a few days ago the clones werent doing good, i changed water, added 250ppm of cal-mag, fresh cut them and scraped, and foliar some diamond nectar, and in 3 days success. this is an old florist's technique for fresh flowers to help them drink right away, and also gets through that touch outer skin so nublets can form

morrisgreenberg said:

lookin good and strong bro, 6 out of 18 of my trainwrecks finally rooted and few others are showing "nublets" 14 days in the cloner...let me tell you something, in the aero cloner i never do anything to the stems, when i use RW i usually give the stems a good scraping, a few days ago the clones werent doing good, i changed water, added 250ppm of cal-mag, fresh cut them and scraped, and foliar some diamond nectar, and in 3 days success. this is an old florist's technique for fresh flowers to help them drink right away, and also gets through that touch outer skin so nublets can form

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Note to self taken!

Congrats on getting those tough bitches to root

I had tried scraping my clones when I was using rockwool, but it didn't get me anywhere. I haven't tried to scrape any since getting the cloner - I'll have to try some on my next batch and see if I notice a difference. Do you put CalMag in your cloner normally, or just as part of this technique?