Kitty's Commercial Grow Op-Bigger & Better Every Day!

OregonMeds said:

Just for the record 8kw over 144 pots won't yield any more, in fact less, than if you were running merely 8 big plants like I showed, and the more plants you stuff in under less light the more popcorn bud you get to trim.

You are doing at a minimun 10x the work you need to, and federal plant counts (at least here in the US), for absolutely nothing. Making life hard on yourself over there...


Just saying...

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Just enjoy the pictures and discussion and leave the legal worries to me. Again, NOBODY grows legally when you consider federal agents can still arrest all you Americans any time they want. Nowhere you'd want to live in the world that is close to an Arbys and WalMart can you grow legally. California and medical states hide under state laws while still being oppressed by federal laws. Ergo, we're all at risk, and since that's the case, I'd rather the risk not ruin the FUN in the threads. I hate legal talk its just such a bummer to always have someone saying "dont get caught omg lol look at you".

Lets keep all the legal discussion out, pretty please with cherries.

Since I'm vegging less and will be using clones only once mommies are ready, clones for these strains grow as sticks. Instead of topping a bunch of seeds, clone sticks fit as 16 per light pretty well. I dont want anything over 26-30" full height when flowering is complete. If this changes, you'll see, as pictures cant lie! Also, if I need to use less plants per light, it isnt exactly rocket science to move the plants apart and spread them among some other lights.

Explain to us how me having twice the plants at half the size is 10x more work "minimum" as you stated.......... No room for bold unsubstantiated claims here, noooooobody is doing 10 times the work they need to on this setup.

CultivationArt said:

Nice set up kitty, def subed in.
got sum questions, Im about to get into growing commercial growing as well.
Own a large barn like shed. Well this end of feb or march, ill be insulating and getting it ready
well trying to run 6 600 watt mh and 10 1000 nwatt sodiums.
+ 2 4 ft 8 tube t5 panels. 4 nice areo cool ac units. And some fans here and there,

now my question is what kind of genarater are you using or what would you rec.
Im still gonna ground most of it to my house(im a legal med patient/vendor so im only trying to ruduse the electricity
bill, not to worried about the law or anything) like the t5s the ac units and the MHs will ground to my house.
just not the sodiums.

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That's a no brainer for the generator.

Go to Amazon.com and search for "Generac QuietSource". You want the QuietSource because its engine is a cars engine that runs at half the RPM (which means a LOT less noisy) and is made to last for years commercially. Which QuietSource to get? Just spec out what fuel you use (natural gas, propane etc) and then go by how many kwH you need.

For every 1000 watts of light, you want 1500w of generator power. So if you have 20,000 watts of lights, you want a 30kW generator to account for all the other pumps, timers, fans, a/c units or whatever else you have running in there.

The generators can be enclosed in sound proof boxes as well, you can make one or buy one online.

Finally, when you use a generator, you cant have all of your lights turn on at once. That'll make the generator go "poop" and probably turn off. Turn each light on a few seconds apart from each other. There are power controllers that do this for you, those blue/white branded ones that are like $1500 have one that is specifically made this way for generators. This is why my custom power panel has individual timers on each outlet, to accompany my generator being installed sometime in the early spring..............

The generator will probably run you about $10k-$14k installed. You wont want to do it yourself unless you actually are an electrician -- I sure as shit am not but the place is prewired for one, so yay.

Good luck!

DEFINETLY FUCKING SUBBED! im from ONTARIO< WHAD UP! haha i LOVE CANADA! Born and Raised baby, live in ontario, would love to hit up BC sometime where im assuming your at cuz its absolutely FLOODED with grows i can only imagine becuz where i live in ontario its estimated every 7 houses there is a grow op of atleast one plant.. i know i know statistics arent always so accurate but just saying if its like that here again i can only imagine what its like in BC lol.. that of course all being said becuz i thought ur in BC, ANYWAYS lmao need to take a toke i have ADHD.. GOODLUCK WITH THE GROW KITTY! i will be watching and learning, im 21 and i want to get where you are someday down the road.

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Just enjoy the pictures and discussion and leave the legal worries to me. Again, NOBODY grows legally when you consider federal agents can still arrest all you Americans any time they want. Nowhere you'd want to live in the world that is close to an Arbys and WalMart can you grow legally. California and medical states hide under state laws while still being oppressed by federal laws. Ergo, we're all at risk, and since that's the case, I'd rather the risk not ruin the FUN in the threads. I hate legal talk its just such a bummer to always have someone saying "dont get caught omg lol look at you".

Lets keep all the legal discussion out, pretty please with cherries.

Since I'm vegging less and will be using clones only once mommies are ready, clones for these strains grow as sticks. Instead of topping a bunch of seeds, clone sticks fit as 16 per light pretty well. I dont want anything over 26-30" full height when flowering is complete. If this changes, you'll see, as pictures cant lie! Also, if I need to use less plants per light, it isnt exactly rocket science to move the plants apart and spread them among some other lights.

Explain to us how me having twice the plants at half the size is 10x more work "minimum" as you stated.......... No room for bold unsubstantiated claims here, noooooobody is doing 10 times the work they need to on this setup.

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I agree the legal talk bums down tons of conversations on this board..Im having fun following along..Good shit kitty

Ok I won't try to help any more. I wasn't being a hater, clearly you can grow and have potential but... There's always someone who knows more, I can see I'm a few steps ahead of you and you asked for constructive advice so I tried only for your own good to save you from both trouble and extra effort but I won't waste my breath.

I know you are in canada, that's why I added a disclaimer, go ahead use the lake and take risks you don't need to, do more work than you need, ignore that you asked for constructive advice and I was trying to give it and soldier on.


Good luck

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And for the record no I'm not feeling all superior or claiming to be, I made a single stupid misake and took a risk I didn't need to one night driving at .08bac and got shut the fuck down. It's only from personal pain I tried to help and save you a similar fate. You are making stupid decisions.

OregonMeds said:

Ok I won't try to help any more. I wasn't being a hater, clearly you can grow and have potential but... There's always someone who knows more, I can see I'm a few steps ahead of you and you asked for constructive advice so I tried only for your own good to save you from both trouble and extra effort but I won't waste my breath.

I know you are in canada, that's why I added a disclaimer, go ahead use the lake and take risks you don't need to, do more work than you need, ignore that you asked for constructive advice and I was trying to give it and soldier on.


Good luck

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And for the record no I'm not feeling all superior or claiming to be, I made a single stupid misake and took a risk I didn't need to one night driving at .08bac and got shut the fuck down. It's only from personal pain I tried to help and save you a similar fate. You are making stupid decisions.

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Damn your sensitive

sum people just get butt hurt when there ignored

looking really good

OregonMeds said:

Ok I won't try to help any more. I wasn't being a hater, clearly you can grow and have potential but... There's always someone who knows more, I can see I'm a few steps ahead of you and you asked for constructive advice so I tried only for your own good to save you from both trouble and extra effort but I won't waste my breath.

I know you are in canada, that's why I added a disclaimer, go ahead use the lake and take risks you don't need to, do more work than you need, ignore that you asked for constructive advice and I was trying to give it and soldier on.


Good luck

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And for the record no I'm not feeling all superior or claiming to be, I made a single stupid misake and took a risk I didn't need to one night driving at .08bac and got shut the fuck down. It's only from personal pain I tried to help and save you a similar fate. You are making stupid decisions.

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Its cool, ignore and unsub all ya like. I dont try to make everyone happy! Take care and stop by again some time........

WoW, very iimpressive! I'm subbed up to learn a few things from this one +REP for a bas ass grow KITTY!

This thread is so freaking epic. ::drool::

Nunotmp said:

I agree the legal talk bums down tons of conversations on this board..Im having fun following along..Good shit kitty

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Totally, that and I think that the main tool law enforcement has it to make people scared, 99%+ people do their thing and never have any problems with the law. There's being cautious and then there's feeding into what they want you to feel, fear. Peace. =)

Kitty I would give you plus rep for the way you handled that guy...your a total class act ms kitty.

researchkitty said:

Just enjoy the pictures and discussion and leave the legal worries to me. Again, NOBODY grows legally when you consider federal agents can still arrest all you Americans any time they want. Nowhere you'd want to live in the world that is close to an Arbys and WalMart can you grow legally. California and medical states hide under state laws while still being oppressed by federal laws.

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FUCK THE HATERS OVER GROW THE WORLD... THIS SHIT DON'T STOP FOR NOBODY... EITHER GET ON OR GET RAN THE FUCK OVER...

CANADA MARIJUANA LAWS:

Possession:
Cannabis (ex: marijuana) 30 grams or less: up to 6 months imprisonment or $1000 fine or both

Trafficking or Possession for purpose of trafficking:
More than 30 grams: imprisonment up to 5 years less a day
3 kilograms or less: imprisonment up to 5 years less a day
More than 3 kilograms: up to life imprisonment.


Using Cannabis for Medical Purposes

Marijuana has not been approved as a therapeutic product in Canada or anywhere else in the world. The safety and usefulness of marijuana for medical uses has not been clearly and scientifically established. Canada does however, have a program that allows seriously ill persons residing in Canada to possess marihuana for their own medical use. Under the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations (MMAR), people can be authorized to possess a specific amount of marihuana and can be licensed to grow their own marihuana or designate someone else to grow it for them.The MMAR require a person to have the support of a medical practitioner when applying for an authorization to possess marijuana for medical purposes.

A person may be allowed to possess dried marijuana to alleviate symptoms associated with medical conditions, such as:
•nausea and vomiting in patients being treated for cancer
•severe pain, anorexia and weight loss in patients with cancer, AIDS
•pain and muscle spasms in patients with multiple sclerosis or spinal cord injuries
•epileptic seizures
•severe chronic pain

All other possession and production of marijuana by individuals is illegal.

Source: National Anti-Drug Strategy - Drug Laws in Canada


The legal status of marijuana in Canada is under dispute. Superior and appellate courts in Ontario have repeatedly declared Canada's marijuana laws to be of no force and effect. However, historical challenges to marijuana laws at the federal level have not resulted in the deletion of the appropriate articles from the Criminal Code of Canada and the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. Police and prosecution services in other Canadian jurisdictions still pursue criminal charges for marijuana possession.

The cultivation of cannabis is currently illegal in Canada, with exceptions only for medical usage. However, the use of cannabis by the general public is broadly tolerated, and a vigorous campaign to legalize cannabis is underway nation-wide.

Several polls since 2003 have found that a majority of Canadians agreed with the statement, "The use of marijuana should be legalized", the latest being the 2008 Angus Reid poll. The recent development after the last election is however the opposite, a much more restrictive law with higher minimum penalties for drug crimes and a national anti-drug strategy including prevention and treatment.

History of Cannabis prohibition

Cannabis was added to the Confidential Restricted List in 1923. Historians usually point to the 1922 publication of Emily Murphy’s The Black Candle as the inspiration for the addition. Murphy was a suffragist and police magistrate who wrote a series of articles in Maclean’s magazine under the pen-name “Janey Canuck,” which formed the basis of her book. She uses numerous anecdotes culled mostly from anti-drug reformers and police to make her arguments, which make strong links between drugs and race and the threat this poses to white women. One chapter is entitled Marahuana – A New Menace, and makes the startling claim that the only ways out of cannabis addiction are insanity, death, or abandonment.

Although her anti-drug screeds were widely read and helped spread the drug panic across the country, historian Catharine Carstairs disputes that the short chapter in Murphy’s book on cannabis inspired the drug’s inclusion on Canada’s restricted substance list. Specifically, Murphy was not respected by the Division of Narcotic Control because of the creative liberties she took in presenting research they had assisted her with.

More likely, cannabis was added to the list because of Canadian involvement in international conferences where it was discussed. According to one government official, cannabis was outlawed after the Director of the Federal Division of Narcotic Control returned from League of Nation meetings where the international control of the drug was broached. Cannabis did not begin to attract official attention in Canada until the latter 1930s, and even then it was minimal.The first seizure of cannabis by Canadian police was not until 1937. Between 1946 and 1961, cannabis accounted for only 2% of all drug arrests in Canada.

Source: Wikipedia

she obviously knows what shes getting into she dont need legal help
your badass kity i hope one day i get a grow op like you

US federal marijuana laws:

There is a five-year mandatory minimum for cultivation of 100 plants or possession of 100kgs, and there is a ten-year mandatory minimum for these offenses if the defendant has a prior felony drug conviction. Cultivation or possession of 1000kg or 1000 plants triggers a ten-year mandatory minimum, with a twenty-year mandatory sentence if the defendant has one prior felony drug conviction, and a life sentence with two prior felony drug convictions. To avoid a five-year mandatory minimum, it is advisable to stay well below 100 plants, including any rooted cuttings or clones.

lookin good kitty sub'ed

Thanks everyone............ Here's an actual study on actual Canadian prosecutions related to growing...........

http://www.icclr.law.ubc.ca/Publications/Reports/Summary.PDF

"e. Of
the 11,733 cases coming to the attention of
the police, 9,232 were fully investigated,
and of these 8,010 proved to be founded.
About half of these founded cases were dealt
with informally (e.g., &#8220;no case&#8221; seizures),
with this being a more likely outcome in
smaller operations (i.e., under 10 plants). ;
At the prosecutorial level, there are
significant numbers of stays of proceedings
and charges withdrawn as a result of plea
bargaining practices, both of which result in
a considerable attrition of charges and
suspects. At the sentencing level, there is a
positive correlation between the size of the
grow operation and the severity of the
penalty handed down in court, although the
increase in penalties is somewhat marginal.
In the final analysis, 2255 of
founded cases led to at least one offender
being convicted. Overall, a total of 2551
offenders were convicted, representing 54%
of those charged and 25% of suspects
initially associated with a founded case. The
majority of convictions did not result in
custodial dispositions. Prison sentences were
ordered in only 18% of cases, with an
average term of 4.5 months"

I'll take that as punishment, works for me. While I'm in Mr. Kitty will grow for me. Might not be as good of smoke, but hey, he tries!

Thats the spirit... I'll take the risk anyday... that said just keep your lifestyle simple and you'll be fine

researchkitty said:

Thanks everyone............ Here's an actual study on actual Canadian prosecutions related to growing...........

http://www.icclr.law.ubc.ca/Publications/Reports/Summary.PDF

"e. Of
the 11,733 cases coming to the attention of
the police, 9,232 were fully investigated,
and of these 8,010 proved to be founded.
About half of these founded cases were dealt
with informally (e.g., &#8220;no case&#8221; seizures),
with this being a more likely outcome in
smaller operations (i.e., under 10 plants). ;
At the prosecutorial level, there are
significant numbers of stays of proceedings
and charges withdrawn as a result of plea
bargaining practices, both of which result in
a considerable attrition of charges and
suspects. At the sentencing level, there is a
positive correlation between the size of the
grow operation and the severity of the
penalty handed down in court, although the
increase in penalties is somewhat marginal.
In the final analysis, 2255 of
founded cases led to at least one offender
being convicted. Overall, a total of 2551
offenders were convicted, representing 54%
of those charged and 25% of suspects
initially associated with a founded case. The
majority of convictions did not result in
custodial dispositions. Prison sentences were
ordered in only 18% of cases, with an
average term of 4.5 months"

I'll take that as punishment, works for me. While I'm in Mr. Kitty will grow for me. Might not be as good of smoke, but hey, he tries!

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Yehhhhhhh Gotta Keep IT Canadian !

Kitty This IS Comin outt WAY biggggger then i previously thought!
AWESOME cant Wait till it kicks in motion and starts makin you some of that all powerful green stuff ;D

Just remember America has had really shitty leaders for the last 20 yrs atleast. For the last thirty years the dollar has been worth more than the Canadian, dont celebrate too soon. And its a proven fact that we can grow better than anyone ever so there... take that.