st0wandgrow
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That's what I was afraid you were going to say. lol
Building my own just isn't going to happen. I would have to go with a plug-n-play version as wiring and electronics isn't something I've ever messed with.
LED vs. HID Double Ended Bulb
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That's what I was afraid you were going to say. lol
Building my own just isn't going to happen. I would have to go with a plug-n-play version as wiring and electronics isn't something I've ever messed with.
foreverflyhi
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Brotha i have a secret to tell you, i didnt build my cob set up
Had a reliable organic/led mad scientist build it for me
Left is 420 w cob 4x4 and right is xgs 190 on light rail. ( old pic btw)
I agree with you, but now me physically seeing how it works and how it was built, im excited to start my own.
st0wandgrow
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Brotha i have a secret to tell you, i didnt build my cob set up
Had a reliable organic/led mad scientist build it for me
Left is 420 w cob 4x4 and right is xgs 190 on light rail. ( old pic btw)
I agree with you, but now me physically seeing how it works and how it was built, im excited to start my own.
Maybe I could talk Rrog in to building me one. He built one for a friend of his not long ago.
If I were to buy one, area 51 the best bet? I'd be looking to replace 600 watts of HID in veg, and 3,000 watts of HID in flower.
Cupid Stunt
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That thing is a fucking weapon...nice job whoever built that.
What is the white cord being used...
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Sativied
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Says the 0.4gpw HPS grower.... So pot calling kettle black clearly just spattered on your wall of delusion.
Moot point. What matters is how much you pull from a given space in reality, not based on efficiency stats. In practice someone has a given amount of space. Gram per my grow closet (and someone's room/tent) is what matters, not a theoretic efficiency %.
As already established, you don't know how to properly fold a $10 reflector and put some reflective material on the wall. You don't know what you are talking about fraud. Don't make me render photon simulations... how many quantity+quality grow rooms have you seen besides the generally amateur grows in forums?
Again, I'm familiar with the common claims and you can stack all the LED arguments you want, individually they don't hold that much truth.
Amazing... whether it's nuteburn or not is hardly relevant (the PK overdose is relative... ratio..., causing imbalance and antagonism, not enough N...), you posted it to compare HPS to LED. You posted a failed HPS result to compare with a somewhat successful LED grow. You're a fraud.
Doesn't matter, the truth gets deleted on RIU to keep the organic herd calm. And no need to hope, it's not something I just started doing. "Boutique" herb... ok, reading that twice from you while you clearly don't know what makes a plant tick and what results in high grade quality... yeah, made me raise an eyebrow, even rolled my eyes too.
Yes indeed, I grow based on proven facts, you grow based on subjective experiences and wishful thinking. Organics under LED says it all and someday you'll understand the irony of that combination.
Sativied
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Son?
As if I care about your judgement, you never had any credibility in my book, and based on the fact you don't know what makes a plant tick you'll never get it either. Plants only take up ions. It's already a known fact for over 100 years that plants can fulfill ALL there needs from only water, air, light and minerals. A medium can be convenient as a buffer for water and nutes and for mechanical support, whether that's soil, coco, perlite or whatever doesn't add anything to the end product. Hydroponics is the cleanest way to grow, the easiest way to provide only the required elements and therefore, if not done like 9 out of 10 forum growers, results in the most superior MJ. Cry all you want, bring on the flaming, you're just sheople.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature that's why you grow organic. The rest you all just make up, very similar to many LED arguments.
It's no surprise there are organic growers who jump on the LED bandwagon, it takes quite a bit of believe and ignorance to do so.
Edit: I guess I should have just posted a Blasphemy! meme instead...
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Positivity
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It's amazing how some people think they are so gifted at something. Especially when that something does it's best outside with no human intervention.
Go meddle with genetics and chemical ferts to improve everything. Hopefully you don't destroy everything in the process.
Go meddle with genetics and chemical ferts to improve everything. Hopefully you don't destroy everything in the process.
medicinehuman
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This is a simple question. What happened to this thread ?
Positivity
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5 x 9 space?
Is that what this thread was about..lol
I'd go cmh if DIY led was out of the question. I would never spend the amount of money it would take to cover that with apache or Area 51...the only 2 companies whose setups I like.
In other news..I'll put my guppy water fert program against any hydro/salt regime..
Is that what this thread was about..lol
I'd go cmh if DIY led was out of the question. I would never spend the amount of money it would take to cover that with apache or Area 51...the only 2 companies whose setups I like.
In other news..I'll put my guppy water fert program against any hydro/salt regime..
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Greengenes707
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I don't even want to get into this thread now, but here I go...
My LED vs HPS side by side. Same room separated by a 2inch foam light divider. All other conditions were equal. No co2 supplementing.
LED day 54...yield was 656g from 685w drawn
HPS(hortilux super hps, raptor hood, solis tek digital on 1000w) day 54...yield was 677g from 1028w drawn.
This is what i do and how I do it. If you don't like it then suck it, and keep doing what you like...but this is happening and improving my garden inn reality whether some choose to accept that or not. If someone does better than me with hps(many do)...then they will do equally better with led than I did.
Full documented thread is in my sig if any spec tics want to check it out. Or not, to each their own...but like I said it is happening no matter what people unimportant to my garden think, so might as well acknowledge reality. LED's grow great bud. Better than my hps...and my hps is dank as hell imo...the led version of the same bud is just even danker.
My LED vs HPS side by side. Same room separated by a 2inch foam light divider. All other conditions were equal. No co2 supplementing.
LED day 54...yield was 656g from 685w drawn
HPS(hortilux super hps, raptor hood, solis tek digital on 1000w) day 54...yield was 677g from 1028w drawn.
This is what i do and how I do it. If you don't like it then suck it, and keep doing what you like...but this is happening and improving my garden inn reality whether some choose to accept that or not. If someone does better than me with hps(many do)...then they will do equally better with led than I did.
Full documented thread is in my sig if any spec tics want to check it out. Or not, to each their own...but like I said it is happening no matter what people unimportant to my garden think, so might as well acknowledge reality. LED's grow great bud. Better than my hps...and my hps is dank as hell imo...the led version of the same bud is just even danker.
medicinehuman
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Both look good to me.
Sativied
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The most you could conclude from the side by side including Supra's is that it's easier to reach 1gpw with LED under certain circumstances (i.e. not the best HPS setup/grower and/or certain climate). 677g from 1028w drawn isn't terrible for HPS, but it's certainly doable to get the same gpw (656g from 685w) with 600w and 1000w hps. Which makes it just an expensive light, with no gpw increase (and for me additional HVAC costs in particular heating.
skunkd0c
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i am glad to hear this ^^ i was worried that hps made buds taste of hay or grass from the reports earlier in the thread from elite led growers
did you get confirmation from lab tests that the led bud contained higher concentrations of cannabinoids than the hps crop ?
on a percentage scale how much more potent and tasty was the led weed ?
i know without test results this is only your subjective opinion but i am interested in this
i watched your thread it was a good thread
give me some numbers i think they would give me a better idea than descriptions like "massively better"
peace
skunkd0c
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yeh i agree the hps side could of been done better, i do not think the thread showed led to be better imo
that's not what i take away from the results anyway, it showed imo that this expensive led can compete with hps
actually produce real nugs instead of the wispy shit leds of the past were producing
and it can grow fair sized plants rather than having to grow tiny plants with previous leds with no penetration
for some folk with heat issues led could help
for folks in cold countries like the UK this lack of heat is not much of a big deal
i feel this is a step forward leds are getting much better, a few years ago led plants looked terrible
it has taken over 30 years of technology to get to this standard
i could achieve around the same yield from a £70 -100 budget style hps as a £1500 wannabe nasa led the price needs to come down substantially on that one imo for it to be more than a fancy toy
if only Apple inc made grow lights (assembled in china of course) how happy would a hipster be lol
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st0wandgrow
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I for one appreciate you taking the time to do this side x side, and document it for us all. I still use HID, but I see the merit in LED technology. I think the price point is what causes people to look at it with skepticism, and the apparent fact that no companies have rolled out a plug-n-play light that doesn't require a bunch of DIY upgrades. Once that happens, and once the price point comes down a bit more folks will be inclined to give it a shot.
Sativied
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Imo "compete" is in general an overstatement, for certain growers in certain situations apparently it is the case though. I do agree these guys show LED is an option for growing MJ. But so is T5 (I know a grower who gets over 1gpw with T5, superb quality), and CFL. Hydro + professional horticulture HPS for pros, organic + LED toys for bros who like to be part of something...
Besides that in the side by side above there seem to be more bud sites in the LED grow... something I brought up in another thread as well, if you want to do a side-by-side, do a sog with clones with barely or no vegging so at least you get the same amount of main buds. And again, not a terrible grow, not a great result either, not the cleanest test either. Anyone who wants to bitch about HPS should learn how to grow at least close to 1gpw first to demonstrate some credibility when comparing led to hps.
On the contrary most of the year (like not now...), on this side of the canal anyway, the HPS (in a proper sized closet with proper exhaust) is a plug and play means to create rather ideal temps. I realize that's different for those who need a cool tube (didn't even know those things existed before signing up here) and that LED may be a good alternative. Sucks for them, I rather wait till they are truly better than HPS.
I'll be buying some LEDs soon though. For vegging. To replace T8.
foreverflyhi
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True, but what really pisses me off is how all these hid growers claim to be growing dank by the pounds, but yet no time/motivation/ or $$$$$$ to invest. They do however haave time to come into the led section and talk shit, and even worse to call a credible grower a fraud.
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foreverflyhi
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Ah, you from Netherlands? Lol now everything makes sense. Hahahahahaaha
Yall hopped up on all those hydro chem ferts. Haha jk (kinda)
Yall hopped up on all those hydro chem ferts. Haha jk (kinda)
skunkd0c
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perhaps i wasn't clear
this is the only time of the year we need think of heat in the UK
cool tubes are mostly unessecery here in a open room, i would still use them in an enclosed space like a grow tent
that is why the lack of heat from an led would be a bad thing if anything most of the year when room temps with no heating would only be 65f or below 50 in winter
hps provide a good heat source or i would have to use electric or gas heating to keep the room warm
i agree his grow was not exactly upto scientific standards lol but it was a good grow i would not read too much into it
but its nice to see some decent consistent led nugs , its been such a long wait for me
do you remember those ufo LED lights about 15 years ago that were 70w and supposed to be as good as a 400w hps LOL
they have come along way in the led crew i am happy for them
peace