Legalize Marijuana

morrisman · Nov 18, 2011

When wilthese corporate idiots realize that people wont listen to their lies anymore? :spew:

indagroove · Nov 18, 2011

You mean it's not legal already?

olylifter420 · Nov 18, 2011

These people will always be in power... I dont think it will ever be legal

morrisman · Nov 18, 2011

Ron Paul a republican candidate for president 2012 says he will legalize it, he openly talks about it... only if

queenster · Nov 18, 2011

ya but just one guy cant legalize anything and we all know that so its just more empty promises

morrisman said:
Ron Paul a republican candidate for president 2012 says he will legalize it, he openly talks about it... only if

HonestJim · Nov 18, 2011

If you want legal weed, vote democrat. You get they rare Republican (Like Ron Paul) that is willing to back legislation to legalize, but there are far more Democrats that are pro weed. Barney Frank (A Democrat) and Paul are working together on legislation, which is kind of funny considering they can't agree on anything else. Oh Marijuana, is there anything you can't do ??? The first step will be a Nationwide legalization for medicinal purposes, and for that too happen it is going to take a bunch of liberals (Democrats) in the House and Senate.

indagroove · Nov 18, 2011

HonestJim said:
If you want legal weed, vote democrat. You get they rare Republican (Like Ron Paul) that is willing to back legislation to legalize, but there are far more Democrats that are pro weed. Barney Frank (A Democrat) and Paul are working together on legislation, which is kind of funny considering they can't agree on anything else. Oh Marijuana, is there anything you can't do ??? The first step will be a Nationwide legalization for medicinal purposes, and for that too happen it is going to take a bunch of liberals (Democrats) in the House and Senate.

I voted demo in the last election, and the candidate promised no war on medical marijuana. Well now the same fucker is cracking down all over my state. Let us be, Obama.

oldschooltofu · Nov 18, 2011

ron paul is an independent running as a republican because an independent will never win.

HonestJim · Nov 19, 2011

oldschooltofu said:
ron paul is an independent running as a republican because an independent will never win.

Neither will Ron Paul, he had zero chance at getting the nomination. You will be choosing between Romney and Obama, I will take Obama every day and twice on Sunday over Romney.

HonestJim · Nov 19, 2011

indagroove said:
I voted demo in the last election, and the candidate promised no war on medical marijuana. Well now the same fucker is cracking down all over my state. Let us be, Obama.

Unfortunately, he hasn't done alot of things he was supposed to do. It would be nice if we had a liberal president that actually got some liberal policies passed. I still think your best chance at a pro weed politician is with a democrat.

sso · Nov 19, 2011

its legal in my house

morrisman · Nov 19, 2011

I agree, it's hard what to believe, especially when they seem to always change their mind once in office... I think its bribes from pharmaceutical companies and shit.

JimmyRecard · Nov 19, 2011

Useless thread is useless, Sick of newbies coming on here posting in the wrong part of the forums about uselss crap.

legalization will most likely never happen for many reasons but mainly the government doesn't want to be seen to have wasted a lot of money or be wrong about something.

Go post in the legalization part of the forums not in the general growing marijuana forum with a one line sentence for a thread.

Brick Top · Nov 19, 2011

HonestJim said:
If you want legal weed, vote democrat.

What makes you think Democrats will legalize pot? In my life there has been JFK, LBJ (finishing JFK's term and then one of his own), Carter, Clinton, Clinton again and now Obama. For almost four decades in a row Democrats controlled Congress .... and pot was not made legal. For the first two years of Obama's presidency Democrats had a super majority in Congress, and pot was not legalized, and something closer to the opposite has happened, Obama has the Justice Department going after dispensaries in medical marijuana states.

Legalized pot is a pipe dream. (No pun intended.)

morrisman · Nov 19, 2011

(to jimmyrecard)ok sorry but u dont have to be an asshole about it

HonestJim · Nov 19, 2011

Brick Top said:
What makes you think Democrats will legalize pot? In my life there has been JFK, LBJ (finishing JFK's term and then one of his own), Carter, Clinton, Clinton again and now Obama. For almost four decades in a row Democrats controlled Congress .... and pot was not made legal. For the first two years of Obama's presidency Democrats had a super majority in Congress, and pot was not legalized, and something closer to the opposite has happened, Obama has the Justice Department going after dispensaries in medical marijuana states.

Legalized pot is a pipe dream. (No pun intended.)

I think Legalization will happen eventually. 70% of Americans want it Legalized and politicians can't go against what the people want forever. Your privatized prison companies and Alcohol Companies are spending BIG money to keep it from being made legal. I have faith the will of the people will eventually win out. There is a lot of money to be made for our government with legalization and taxation of marijuana. Democrats as a whole are more weed friendly, as It has been Republicans that have waged the war on drugs. I know Obama went back on his word to support medicinal marijuana, but I hope if given a second term he will get bolder and do what he should have already done.

Jogro · Nov 19, 2011

oldschooltofu said:
ron paul is an independent running as a republican because an independent will never win.

Ron Paul currently holds elective office as a Republican, has for decades, and he's been a registered Republican for decades too. In any meaningful sense of the term, he's a Republican.

He's also a crackpot, largely hated by the Republican establishment, and stands about zero change of ever capturing the Republican nomination for President of the USA. If you're looking for legalization, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for President Ron Paul to give it to you.

My response is, if you want "legal" weed, simply take a vacation in the Netherlands. If you don't want to leave the USA then move your butt into a jurisdiction where its legal.

While technically marijuana is illegal everywhere in the USA under Federal law, in practice, there are plenty of jurisdictions (including the entire State of Alaska) where weed is either decriminalized or there is negligible enforcement on either a state or Federal level.

If you want a revocation of FEDERAL anti-marijuana laws, that's a pretty tall order. You sure as heck aren't getting one under Obama, and not only did he admit to smoking weed liberally as a young adult, he's literally the most liberal Democrat President in the last 40 years. It also didn't happen under Obama even when both Houses of Congress were as Democrat-controlled as they have been in decades. So, thinking that Democrats are going to make pot legal is a pipe dream.

Bluntly, Federal anti-marijuana law will be reversed when the majority of the voting public wants it reversed, and not before. That "critical mass" just hasn't happened yet; the majority of the American voting public simply doesn't want legal marijuana at this time.

But I think this issue is somewhat like gay marriage, concealed weapons carry, and a few others. With shifting of the generations, the numbers are shifting in favor of decriminalized marijuana, albeit slowly. It may take another 20 years, but we'll probably get there eventually.

Even then, there are parts of the country (eg rural South) that are just extremely socially conservative. There are still counties where they restrict or even ban alcohol sales. Places like that arent likely to embrace legal marijuana anytime soon, so in certain States, state bans are likely to persist for at least a generation.

potpimp · Nov 19, 2011

We're in a depression worse than the "great depression" and you think the most pressing issue is legalizing marijuana???? Dude, in case you haven't noticed it, your neighbors are losing their homes; they have no jobs and all their savings have been stolen by the DUMBOCRAPS. These bastards are fucking evil. Yeah, the republicans are evil too but at least they were sinking the ship much slower than the demos. Obama is a totally incompetent, anti-American piece of dog shit. Fuck the law; I've got pot; I'm smoking pot and I'm growing pot. I'm not worried about the damn legalities. They are not going to legalize it, I don't care who is in office or what promises they make. It's a bargaining chip; that's all. Maybe sometime in the next 50 years it might be legalized, but for now the government has made a deal with the devil and can't find a way out of it and save face. I want to see Americans at work again, putting money in the (piggy) bank (or in the mattress). We need to elect someone with experience, integrity and leadership qualities, not some god damned power hungry dipshit like romney and not some lame dickhead like Paul that don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected.

Brick Top · Nov 20, 2011

HonestJim said:
I think Legalization will happen eventually.

I've said that since the late 60's and 70's. I knew that long before now there would be members of Congress and Presidents that has smoked pot and knew it is not dangerous. I was positive that somewhere between the mid 80's and early 90's it would be made legal. But that hasn't happened. I've given up hope.

70% of Americans want it Legalized and politicians can't go against what the people want forever.

That 70's percent think legalization would be OK, but 70% do not actually say they want it. They would just go along with it because they believe it to be harmless or of minimal harm. Nothing anyone under voting age is in favor of matters to politicians. To get 70% it would mostly be made up of older people, many who are conservatives and who would not toke even if it were legal. That's why 70% are OK with legalization but not actually want it as in they want to be able to toke.

Plus, that 70% is not in Congress nor in the White House and government can ignore the will of the people indefinitely if it chooses to. Major corporations, major pharmaceutical corporations, the energy industry, Wall Street, major investors, special interest groups, unions. They fund politicians, they supply major major voting blocs, they send their lobbyists to tell politicians what to support and what not to support. People like use aren't worth dribble piss to politicians and they certainly will not do what we want unless it parallels what their handlers want.

Your privatized prison companies and Alcohol Companies are spending BIG money to keep it from being made legal. I have faith the will of the people will eventually win out.

As Aerosmith sang: "Dream On."

There is a lot of money to be made for our government with legalization and taxation of marijuana.

Only if it were not made totally legal for one and all to grow it. It would have to be run like the tobacco industry where growers could get allotments to grow certain amounts, and no more, and it would be graded and auctioned (and taxed on that sale) and then businesses/corporations would process it and market it selling it to sales locations (when it would be taxed again) and the sales locations would then sell it to customers (and it would be taxed again).

Do you honestly believe that more than a very small percentage of the current illegal growers will buy Quick Books and register every sale and every cost and every legal write off and keep track of all profits and losses and then pay their fair share of taxes from their sales?

Most of the Beavis and Buttheads illegally selling now wouldn't have a clue how to manage what would have to be a legitimate business and few would be honest enough to even try. If one sale out of three went on the books it would be a lot. Any time sales went down they would 'sell under the table' to increase their income.

If made legal for everyone to grow there would be a glut or pot on the market, a major surplus and prices would plummet giving further reason/cause for growers/sellers to not run every sale through the business/books.

The only type of legal system that would work would be one that most growers and tokers would not like.

Democrats as a whole are more weed friendly,

Tell that to the dispensaries Obama has cracked down on.

as It has been Republicans that have waged the war on drugs.

Right, like under JFK and LBJ and Carter and Clinton (twice) and now Obama there have not been government propaganda campaigns against pot and the number of pot busts have gone down.

You must be some idealistic young person who has bought into the whole stereotypical liberal - conservative paradigm.

I know Obama went back on his word to support medicinal marijuana, but I hope if given a second term he will get bolder and do what he should have already done.

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1. Obama will not be reelected.
2. Tentative plans, general plans, discussions have gone on where pot would be made legal but only for major pharmaceutical corporations to use to research for and create drugs. The pot would be grown by the U.S. government and the pharmaceutical corporations would be required to purchase pot or derivatives from pot from the government and the government alone. Part of that would spell the end of any state legal dispensaries, growing and use because the case could/would be made that the pharmaceutical corporations would supply the current pot patients with even better medications than natural weed/hash/hash oil ... for likely about $10.00 per pill or dose.

DEA to legalize marijuana only for ‘Big Pharma,’ NORML claims

By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Topics: DEA ♦ marijuana law reform ♦ national organization for the reform of marijuana laws ♦ Schedule ♦ substance ♦ tetrahydrocannabinol thc

A Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) proposal to reclassify the main psychoactive chemical in marijuana as a Schedule III substance would allow pharmaceutical companies to market the drug while still penalizing common recreational use, according to marijuana law reform advocates.
The main psychoactive chemical in marijuana, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), is currently a Schedule I substance within the US Controlled Substances Act, the most restrictive schedule with the greatest criminal penalties.
In November 2010, the DEA proposed reclassifying dronabinol, a synthetic THC, as a Schedule III substance, which would place it among substances such as hydrocodone and allow it to be dispensed with a written or oral prescription.
“The DEA’s intent is to expand the federal government’s schedule III listing to include pharmaceutical products containing naturally derived formations of THC while simultaneously maintain existing criminal prohibitions on the plant itself,” Paul Armentano, the deputy director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), wrote at AlterNet.
With its proposal, the DEA is responding to the demands of large pharmaceutical companies, he claimed.
Marijuana plants and THC extracts would remain illegal under the proposal, but companies would be able to purchase THC from a government-licensed provider to develop pharmaceutical products.
“While the DEA’s forthcoming regulatory change promises to stimulate the advent of legally available, natural THC therapeutic products… the change will offer no legal relief for those hundreds of thousands of Americans who believe that therapeutic relief is best obtained by use of the whole plant itself,” Armentano added.
“Rather the DEA appears content to try to walk a political and semantic tightrope that alleges: ‘pot is bad,’ but ‘pot-derived pharmaceuticals are good.’”
THC can help cancer patients regain their appetites and sense of taste, according to a study published on Wednesday.
“This is the first randomized controlled trial to show that THC makes food taste better and improves appetites for patients with advanced cancer, as well as helping them to sleep and to relax better,” Dr. Wendy Wismer, associate professor at the University of Alberta, said. “Our findings are important, as there is no accepted treatment for chemosensory alterations experienced by cancer patients.”
Fifteen states and the District of Columbia have passed legislation to legalize the medical use of marijuana.
Photo credit: Wikimedia Commons

Eric W. Dolan
Eric W. Dolan has served as an editor for Raw Story since August 2010, and is based out of San Diego, California. He grew up in the suburbs of Chicago and received a Bachelor of Science from Bradley University. Eric is also the publisher and editor of PsyPost. You can follow him on Twitter @ewdolan.

Government and Big Pharma Organize Huge Marijuana Farms

(David Downs, East Bay Express, 25 May 2011
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Despite the US government’s staunch opposition to medical cannabis farms in Oakland and elsewhere, the feds have begun licensing a whole lot of large legal pot grows throughout the country. But this weed is not for cannabis dispensaries and their patients; it’s for Big Pharma. . . . The Drug Enforcement Administration told Legalization Nation in an e-mail last week that 55 unnamed companies now hold licenses to grow cannabis in the United States, a fact that contradicts the widespread belief that there is only one legal pot farm in America, operated under the DEA for research purposes. It appears as if the upswing in federally approved pot farming is about feeding the need of pharmaceutical companies who want to produce a generic version of THC pill Marinol and at least one other cannabis-based pill for a wide variety of new uses. . . . In other words, if big corporations grow dope with the government and put it in a pill, it’s medicine. But if you grow it at home or at a city-permitted pot farm and then put it in a vaporizer, it’s a felony. . . . Drug companies want to bring generic THC and CBD to new markets, and have requested that the DEA allow them to grow pot and put organic THC and CBD in pills, according to DEA records posted online last fall. But that requires the DEA to move organic THC down from Schedule I, where it is now, to Schedule III, where synthetic THC Marinol currently is. . . . According to DEA records, drug companies have requested just such a rescheduling. It appears as if they’re likely to get it at any time, green-lighting a new generation of prescription pot pill farms. . . . The federal government has already boosted its marijuana production capability by 900 percent to 4.5 million grams, according documents obtained by Americans for Safe Access. The most famous federally approved pot grower, Dr. Mahmoud El Sohly, has also testified he has begun legally selling THC extracted from his Mississippi pot farm to the drug company Mallinckrodt. . . . Big Pharma’s move on the pot industry isn’t some forty-year-old hippie conspiracy theory, said Paul Armentano, spokesman for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. It’s here.

Brick Top · Nov 20, 2011

potpimp said:
We're in a depression worse than the "great depression"

As bad as the current economic situation is it is no where near being as bad as The Great Depression. Compared to The Great Depression we're presently in a booming economy.

Unemployment reached a high of 24.9%, nearly one quarter of the entire work force. We've hovered around 9%. Nine of the eleven years of The Great Depression unemployment rates were higher than we have experienced in the current economic crisis, all nine of those years being double digit unemployment and found of those years being over 20%, one year of The Great Depression the unemployment rate was almost the same as we now have and the year it began unemployment was only 3.2% but jumped to 8.9%.

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