Let he come forth with the most knowledge ..Please lol

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joshuajustin1988

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I’m bout 12 days into flower on these guys and I got some disturbing leaf curling on one of em . Seein if anybody had an answer fr me .
THERES 100 watts of red/blue CFL for EACH.
Plus another 110 watts of LED above that . They get about 2 cups of water , every 2.5 days . I’m thinkin that might not b enough . Here’s ther pic and a pic of the soil I used.
 

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Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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Disturbing leaf curl is from heat. CFLs are too hot that close which tacos out the leaves. Vertical space for upward or outward growth is severely limited so the leaves just get singed. They are probably getting too large for those pots but you can’t really go bigger either.
What you really need is more space and adequate lighting which would prevent most of your issues here. Maybe not what you wanted to hear but that’s the truth.
 
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joshuajustin1988

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Richard Drysift said:
Disturbing leaf curl is from heat. CFLs are too hot that close which tacos out the leaves. Vertical space for upward or outward growth is severely limited so the leaves just get singed. They are probably getting too large for those pots but you can’t really go bigger either.
What you really need is more space and adequate lighting which would prevent most of your issues here. Maybe not what you wanted to hear but that’s the truth.
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Na it’s fine , the pot size I knew I should have went up a size or two I messed up ther , them bein to close to the lights was good info . So now almost 2 weeks into flower do I jus back off the lights and ride out wat I got goin ? Or is ther something else I could do? Transplanting this late seems iffy..
 
Beehive

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MG soil sucks and you need a lot more light. At that stage of growth. The light needs to be pushing a minimum of 30,000 lux.

Those three curly bulbs per plant are probably producing 10,000 to 15,000 lux. What's required for a seedling. Those plants should be 2 foot tall and as big around.

If you continue with this grow. You're never going to get any kind of weight. Good practice all the same.
 
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Detroitwill

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Richard Drysift said:
Disturbing leaf curl is from heat. CFLs are too hot that close which tacos out the leaves. Vertical space for upward or outward growth is severely limited so the leaves just get singed. They are probably getting too large for those pots but you can’t really go bigger either. And yes you need a way better light.
What you really need is more space and adequate lighting which would prevent most of your issues here. Maybe not what you wanted to hear but that’s the truth.
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Those plants are small enough that he could easily hold it in one hand when he flips it... so I’m curious why you say he can’t transplant? If he preps the new soil with the same regiment of food I don’t see how it could hurt him.
 
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True... but you don’t enter a motorcycle race with your scooter either. If you start you need to be able to finish. And if he’s trying to produce very small plants he will still need to be able to produce better light. You could do better by getting led light of the same sort and removing the plastic bulb cover. Hell you might even get a few grams of decent bud.
 
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you have leaf burn too on lowers. prob mg def
due to lockout bc of poor soil. twisty cfls dont grow good weed man. invest in something a little better at least
if youre letting your soil dry youre causing yourself problems
 
Richard Drysift

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Detroitwill said:
Those plants are small enough that he could easily hold it in one hand when he flips it... so I’m curious why you say he can’t transplant? If he preps the new soil with the same regiment of food I don’t see how it could hurt him.
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They are already almost touching the lights; not much space left. Will be even tighter with larger containers. Of course the plants would benefit from a larger pot with fresh soil but unless the OP can increase vertical space that’s not really a good option.

joshuajustin1988 said:
Na it’s fine , the pot size I knew I should have went up a size or two I messed up ther , them bein to close to the lights was good info . So now almost 2 weeks into flower do I jus back off the lights and ride out wat I got goin ? Or is ther something else I could do? Transplanting this late seems iffy..
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Yes go larger with the containers if possible but not unless you can back off the lights. No reason you cannot transplant now even in bloom phase. Thing is once you back off the lights the bottom of the plants will suffer. CFLs only penetrate about 8” away, they put out much less light and use way more power than other forms of light for horticulture; not very efficient. Even a cheapo blurple led panel from would work better than that and run much cooler. Invest in good lighting; everything else is cake. Hey....ya gotta start somewhere....
 
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joshuajustin1988

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Beehive said:
MG soil sucks and you need a lot more light. At that stage of growth. The light needs to be pushing a minimum of 30,000 lux.

Those three curly bulbs per plant are probably producing 10,000 to 15,000 lux. What's required for a seedling. Those plants should be 2 foot tall and as big around.

If you continue with this grow. You're never going to get any kind of weight. Good practice all the same.
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That ones almost 19 inches tall , the others are a little shorter . Look dude the electricity bill and flat out cost of a real light really doesn’t equal out ur yield half the time , u prolly coulda jus bought some from homeboy down the street and been a better cost effective approach than most grows on this site ..they need to b small ..these need to b cheap . Also remember the 110 watts of LED ABOVE the 260 watts of CFL on em , all u ever hear on these forums is MORE light !! But dude there’s plenty fr a small 3 plant grow now put ur thinkin cap on and give real advice to why the plants are acting the way they are . Obviously ther not gna win a cannabis cup in size under those watts of cfl and led but come on man . I need plant diagnosis not how big the buds should be which y’all prolly pay more fr ur lights and electric bill when u coulda jus put the dam things outside and exceeded any light u could ever buy
 
Beehive

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joshuajustin1988 said:
That ones almost 19 inches tall , the others are a little shorter . Look dude the electricity bill and flat out cost of a real light really doesn’t equal out ur yield half the time , u prolly coulda jus bought some from homeboy down the street and been a better cost effective approach than most grows on this site ..they need to b small ..these need to b cheap . Also remember the 110 watts of LED ABOVE the 260 watts of CFL on em , all u ever hear on these forums is MORE light !! But dude there’s plenty fr a small 3 plant grow now put ur thinkin cap on and give real advice to why the plants are acting the way they are . Obviously ther not gna win a cannabis cup in size under those watts of cfl and led but come on man . I need plant diagnosis not how big the buds should be which y’all prolly pay more fr ur lights and electric bill when u coulda jus put the dam things outside and exceeded any light u could ever buy
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Budget $50 bucks extra a month for electricity.
 
Snoopy808

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Here's my two cents...pH and or overwatering. Tacoing was mentioned but thats not exactly how it looks usually from VPD.
 
Richard Drysift

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joshuajustin1988 said:
And 400$ for your light to yield 500$ in bud
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You can get a 400w HPS for under a $100 that will yield many times what you would get from this setup. Put your thinking cap on and figure out how to save up that much money. Your issues are not related to ph (absorption) or a lack of nutrients. Adequate lighting is what you need, not just MORE lighting. Intensity is not quite the same as wattage alone. A single light source will outperform 3 CFLS and a shitty led all day any day.
 
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joshuajustin1988

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Richard Drysift said:
You can get a 400w HPS for under a $100 that will yield many times what you would get from this setup. Put your thinking cap on and figure out how to save up that much money. Your issues are not related to ph (absorption) or a lack of nutrients. Adequate lighting is what you need, not just MORE lighting. Intensity is not quite the same as wattage alone. A single light source will outperform 3 CFLS and a shitty led all day any day.
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And wats ur yield at a 100$ HPS , including fixtures electricity bill , and maintenance and dont fuckin lie
 
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Detroitwill

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the big bulb stuffs cheap cuz it’s obsolete. A double end set up is like 200-250 now. Because they are fossils.... led is where the money is. It’s cheaper to run and cheaper to cool. Those alone make it worth doing. And you can get a decent light for 250 n get ounces off a plant. Headroom is a must. Put em in a closet n shut the door when the lights off. It’s not hard bro, you just gotta get creative in the beginning. You can make a flap on the edge of the door with cardboard and painters tape (so it doesn’t hurt the door) n it will keep room light from getting in. Just make it work! It’s on you ya know, if it doesn’t work out it’s cuz you wouldn’t adapt the plant can’t do anything but depend on you.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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joshuajustin1988 said:
And wats ur yield at a 100$ HPS , including fixtures electricity bill , and maintenance and dont fuckin lie
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Never said I ran a 400w I was just saying you can easily find full HID light setup for around $100; more or less. Since you ask so politely I will oblige you with some history; once upon a time we started off with CFLs same as you but in a custom grow box which costed way more to run and build than I estimated at the time for a shitty return on investment. It is the Intake/exhaust fans and 6 individual CFL bulbs that jack so much amperage. I eventually saved up for a 3x3 grow tent and a 400w HPS which is easier to vent with a single in-line fan and has adequate space for upward growth.
We have since upgraded to a 600w xl hood and a few years later went to full COB LEDs but the grow box is still here under a built in desk collecting dust. No longer run it because actually pulls down more wattage than the Timber Redwood VS which is currently in the bloom room. The redwood vs btw pulls about 620w from the wall at full intensity.
So all that being said, in a grow tent with my old 400w HPS and a homemade DWC bucket my best yield was 6 oz from a single plant. Most growers should be able to average 2-4 oz per plant depending upon training & veg time in soil; more for hydro. Critical Sensi Star and Northern Lights were the strains I ran during that time. With all the new LEDs like quantum boards and whatnot available these days you should easily be able to upgrade to a proper grow setup for a small investment that will pay for itself in a run or two.
The thing about HIDs is they run hot so then you’ll need ventilation. In-line fans can be pricey but you can find cheaper models if you don’t mind the noise. You’ll also need a tent or some other structure you can ventilate. Your power bill w/400 or 600w HID will go up about $30-$40 per mo. Probably not much more than what you are running now. Multiple small lamps typically pull more power than a single intense source.
 
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joshuajustin1988

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Richard Drysift said:
Never said I ran a 400w I was just saying you can easily find full HID light setup for around $100; more or less. Since you ask so politely I will oblige you with some history; once upon a time we started off with CFLs same as you but in a custom grow box which costed way more to run and build than I estimated at the time for a shitty return on investment. It is the Intake/exhaust fans and 6 individual CFL bulbs that jack so much amperage. I eventually saved up for a 3x3 grow tent and a 400w HPS which is easier to vent with a single in-line fan and has adequate space for upward growth.
We have since upgraded to a 600w xl hood and a few years later went to full COB LEDs but the grow box is still here under a built in desk collecting dust. No longer run it because actually pulls down more wattage than the Timber Redwood VS which is currently in the bloom room. The redwood vs btw pulls about 620w from the wall at full intensity.
So all that being said, in a grow tent with my old 400w HPS and a homemade DWC bucket my best yield was 6 oz from a single plant. Most growers should be able to average 2-4 oz per plant depending upon training & veg time in soil; more for hydro. Critical Sensi Star and Northern Lights were the strains I ran during that time. With all the new LEDs like quantum boards and whatnot available these days you should easily be able to upgrade to a proper grow setup for a small investment that will pay for itself in a run or two.
The thing about HIDs is they run hot so then you’ll need ventilation. In-line fans can be pricey but you can find cheaper models if you don’t mind the noise. You’ll also need a tent or some other structure you can ventilate. Your power bill w/400 or 600w HID will go up about $30-$40 per mo. Probably not much more than what you are running now. Multiple small lamps typically pull more power than a single intense source.
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I said don’t “fuckin lie “ don’t u remember , ur electricity bills went up atleast 60-70 a month. And ya it’s safer than goin to the drug dealer once a month but I doubt u saved any money . The real gold in weed growing is being economical it’s not likely Uve accomplished that yet
 
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joshuajustin1988 said:
I said don’t “fuckin lie “ don’t u remember , ur electricity bills went up atleast 60-70 a month. And ya it’s safer than goin to the drug dealer once a month but I doubt u saved any money . The real gold in weed growing is being economical it’s not likely Uve accomplished that yet
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You need an attitude check. Stop sucking your own ego off. If you don't want to hear the answers to your question, don't ask. You can get 150w sunlike lights these days for $120 with good spectrum that put out 800umol at 16". If you want your plants to continue being ass, continue being an asshole. If you want a decent grow and some results, spend a bit more and provide your plants with what they need, which isn't your terrible attitude.

If $120 upfront and $20 a month is enough to run you into the ground, maybe try invest your time into being a functional human being instead of growing weed in terrible conditions and lashing out at those trying to help.

It's like you expect us to bend the laws of physics so your plants can magically manifest from the crumbs of photosynthetic light you are supplying.
 
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