Lighting/LED questions

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

anyone can write numbers down
but the fact they do not fallow the standard practice and include all the info makes them subject to ? why did they not do it the way everyone else does so we can quick compare items(if light was better or equal u would want it in the format ppl understand so your sales increase......if it is off in someway do the way they did to hide the fact )

they list par per watt ......well if all of them did that it would be ok but they do not they do par by height 6 /12/18/24 u know the number of inches above the plant top cola

the lens ok is it 120 or 90 or 60 ......it matters so u know the depth u know the maximum foot print of useable light

Abiqua · Feb 23, 2016

@justugh
you are falling for the fallacy of Platinum....all these things you say about Tasty, don't they apply to Platinum as well? "anyone can write numbers down".....Where are the datasheets for the Platinum diodes, what did they provide for you? FYI, I have also gotten a 1000 + PAR reading from a 50w Cob at 6 inches, this is how you cheat the #'s.....PPFD of space, which Platinum doesn't use or calculate is the best right now of comparing virtually any light source, toe to toe...Find efficiency, calculaete joules/ per umols to get a PPF reading and then divide by a Meter ^2 to get a PPFD reading, that's it... and platinum won't do it, because what they make is 5 year old tech....and they still charge TOP DOLLAR

Tasty uses equipment that can be checked all those fancy #'s mean shit in light of a good PPFD or PPF reading [calculated from efficiency of the diode].

So tasty rather than make False or Misleading statements, uses the best of the best currently for Diodes/ DC Drivers and lets YOU the user, decide how to use the most effictively, rather than be told HOW...I think you have been round here, long enough, Do you need to be told? Read up some more in LED forums, there used to be good threads about the what mattered, but now all the Fanboys have the cocks out over there....but a few months ago we just covered this topic...AGAIN.

Platinum lies. Tasty is bare bones and could give a Sh*t about making claims imho, take your pick.

http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED-Components-and-Modules/XLamp/Data-and-Binning/ds-CXB3070.pdf
http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED-Components-and-Modules/XLamp/Data-and-Binning/ds-CXB3590.pdf
http://www.bridgelux.com/sites/default/files/resource_media/DS33 Vero 29 Array Data Sheet Rev J 20150908.pdf

What does platinum use? Driver brand?

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

Abiqua said:
@justugh
you are falling for the fallacy of Platinum....all these things you say about Tasty, don't they apply to Platinum as well? "anyone can write numbers down".....Where are the datasheets for the Platinum diodes, what did they provide for you? FYI, I have also gotten a 1000 + PAR reading from a 50w Cob at 6 inches, this is how you cheat the #'s.....PPFD of space, which Platinum doesn't use or calculate is the best right now of comparing virtually any light source, toe to toe...Find efficiency, calculaete joules/ per umols to get a PPF reading and then divide by a Meter ^2 to get a PPFD reading, that's it... and platinum won't do it, because what they make is 5 year old tech....and they still charge TOP DOLLAR

Tasty uses equipment that can be checked all those fancy #'s mean shit in light of a good PPFD or PPF reading [calculated from efficiency of the diode].

So tasty rather than make False or Misleading statements, uses the best of the best currently for Diodes/ DC Drivers and lets YOU the user, decide how to use the most effictively, rather than be told HOW...I think you have been round here, long enough, Do you need to be told? Read up some more in LED forums, there used to be good threads about the what mattered, but now all the Fanboys have the cocks out over there....but a few months ago we just covered this topic...AGAIN.

Platinum lies. Tasty is bare bones and could give a Sh*t about making claims imho, take your pick.

http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED-Components-and-Modules/XLamp/Data-and-Binning/ds-CXB3070.pdf
http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED-Components-and-Modules/XLamp/Data-and-Binning/ds-CXB3590.pdf
http://www.bridgelux.com/sites/default/files/resource_media/DS33 Vero 29 Array Data Sheet Rev J 20150908.pdf

What does platinum use? Driver brand?

do not know the driver they do not list it ...can write and ask but odds are meanwell
to counter it i just have to say 90 day return with a 5 year warrenty (they will be around)

try the light if does not work as well as u want return it in 60/70 days (by then u can judge for self) .........the guy has a 2x8 foot area that is 2 lights to cover it
the 150w one i linked would do it great core foot print is 3 x1.5 maximum print is 4.5x3.5 so with a good flat white paint he can make the whole 2 foot core power par

talk all the shit u guys want u can not beat the fact they offer 90 days to try out .........5 year coverage and they are listing 50k hours minal (not maximum like the other lights) 100k hours maximum double what the others are rated

show me anouther maker that offers anything close to that ........and has been around for atleast 3 years
best bang for the buck and risk free

u guys keeps saying look at this look at that .........sure i look but all the info should be in the same format to compare not this Tastyled crap

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

if he wants cheap and powerful build your own
but he did not ask for that he asked for a light that would work no ifs ands or buts

he is doing photos and some photos react better to the red light then the purple all in one light of a COB ( that is due to the genetics of the strain )
so no fail .....means a light that is able to do both

10 /15 years down the line COBS will be the shit all strains should beable to do great with them ....once the genetics are tweaked to react that way ....take away the red and blue factor .....basically turn the plants towards autos (they love cobs for the most part) but it is only time light factor that makes it veggie and bloom

Resinhound · Feb 23, 2016

justugh said:
if he wants cheap and powerful build your own
but he did not ask for that he asked for a light that would work no ifs ands or buts

he is doing photos and some photos react better to the red light then the purple all in one light of a COB ( that is due to the genetics of the strain )
so no fail .....means a light that is able to do both

10 /15 years down the line COBS will be the shit all strains should beable to do great with them ....once the genetics are tweaked to react that way ....take away the red and blue factor .....basically turn the plants towards autos (they love cobs for the most part) but it is only time light factor that makes it veggie and bloom

This is without a doubt some of the dumbest shit ive heard on here yet....these plants have been growing for millions of years under guess what..WHITE FUCKING LIGHT...you know the sun?...you arent going to erase that in 10-15 years.How many areas on the globe are comprised of just red/blue light?

Abiqua · Feb 23, 2016

justugh said:
do not know the driver they do not list it ...can write and ask but odds are meanwell
to counter it i just have to say 90 day return with a 5 year warrenty (they will be around)

try the light if does not work as well as u want return it in 60/70 days (by then u can judge for self) .........the guy has a 2x8 foot area that is 2 lights to cover it
the 150w one i linked would do it great core foot print is 3 x1.5 maximum print is 4.5x3.5 so with a good flat white paint he can make the whole 2 foot core power par

talk all the shit u guys want u can not beat the fact they offer 90 days to try out .........5 year coverage and they are listing 50k hours minal (not maximum like the other lights) 100k hours maximum double what the others are rated

show me anouther maker that offers anything close to that ........and has been around for atleast 3 years
best bang for the buck and risk free

u guys keeps saying look at this look at that .........sure i look but all the info should be in the same format to compare not this Tastyled crap

No shit talking, only the truth, not like I haven't tried R/B....High PPF white is nice accessory in the growth room....Green is a photosynthetic driver and SHOULD NOT be omitted.

You email them and tell me what Driver......Yah fucking right on the Meanwell....No name Ebay specials....I know the game. You act like other's haven't actually grown with an assortment of LED's.....[raises my hand]

Abiqua · Feb 23, 2016

justugh said:
if he wants cheap and powerful build your own
but he did not ask for that he asked for a light that would work no ifs ands or buts

he is doing photos and some photos react better to the red light then the purple all in one light of a COB ( that is due to the genetics of the strain )
so no fail .....means a light that is able to do both

10 /15 years down the line COBS will be the shit all strains should beable to do great with them ....once the genetics are tweaked to react that way ....take away the red and blue factor .....basically turn the plants towards autos (they love cobs for the most part) but it is only time light factor that makes it veggie and bloom

Was it phenotypic or genotypic though? Every cannabis plant has the "auto" trait, supposedly in its genome. All this is beside the fact...of course different strains are going to react differently....

I like 4k for a tall sativa and a particular Alien OG cut.....Another Alien, cut #2, loves 3k and hates the 4k.....Oregon Pistol [blue x catpass F2] , seems to like 3500K and leans toward a tall indica, not quite "sativa" or narrow leaf, but a good piney smelling compromise

High Efficient White Light [cobs are just one type] do a phenomenal job indoors and clearly deliver the most umols/j
argue all you want, but you seem to actually lack the growing experience with LED and now backed into a corner...

You should try white light and give it a go.....I also noticed morphological characteristics INSTANTLY going from R/B to White Kelvin and you seem to dismiss those, either thru ignorance or lack of LED experience? I watched stem growth nearly double or more across many cuts going from low "intensity" LED to a higher output WHITE led.

Read your plants, thats the only rule....Be amazed when white light also helps you diagnose your plants health problems....because Plant problems can't be seen with R/B light. That is the 2nd reason it is outdated and nearly un-usable for horticulture, your QA/QC would be a frigging nightmare on a commercial level.

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

Resinhound said:
This is without a doubt some of the dumbest shit ive heard on here yet....these plants have been growing for millions of years under guess what..WHITE FUCKING LIGHT...you know the sun?...you arent going to erase that in 10-15 years.How many areas on the globe are comprised of just red/blue light?

think any way u want ......that is your given right

i account for variables u do not see or think about .......it is called the "what if" game ....it is just that start with anything and ask what if adding on a 2nd variable run the idea out to the end getting a result know from personal exp/reading/schooling or end up with a new experiment to get a answer to the game

how fucking dumb are u .........every farmer on the planet knows u are wrong oh oh so wrong
it is do to the orbit around the sun and the rotation/wobble to the planets own spin ....we have light shifts in the spectrum human eyes do not notice but plants do (if u were correct we could grow corn all year long and other fruits veggies that need the light shift to trigger it ) duh
we have been talking about it since u learned to grow ......when to plant and why u plant it then outdoors ......indoors u are only mimicking the best possible outdoor evo for the whole of it life

PAR we been talking about it the whole time COBS supply it all at once ........some plants do not respond to that since they are PHOTO REACTIVE they need a shift in the light spectrum to trigger flowering ........using a cob u are only doing the hour shift trying to trigger the reaction with the full spectrum some plants will love this some plants will under yield do to this

i never stop thinking i can not my head will never shut up ........weed only slows down the number of subjects i cover in a given day .....part of the reason i am here other ppls problems focus the work i do sends me down a path i would not though of on my own untill i had that problem

Abiqua said:
Was it phenotypic or genotypic though? Every cannabis plant has the "auto" trait, supposedly in its genome. All this is beside the fact...of course different strains are going to react differently....

I like 4k for a tall sativa and a particular Alien OG cut.....Another Alien, cut #2, loves 3k and hates the 4k.....Oregon Pistol [blue x catpass F2] , seems to like 3500K and leans toward a tall indica, not quite "sativa" or narrow leaf, but a good piney smelling compromise

High Efficient White Light [cobs are just one type] do a phenomenal job indoors and clearly deliver the most umols/j
argue all you want, but you seem to actually lack the growing experience with LED and now backed into a corner...

You should try white light and give it a go.....I also noticed morphological characteristics INSTANTLY going from R/B to White Kelvin and you seem to dismiss those, either thru ignorance or lack of LED experience? I watched stem growth nearly double or more across many cuts going from low "intensity" LED to a higher output WHITE led.

Read your plants, thats the only rule....Be amazed when white light also helps you diagnose your plants health problems....because Plant problems can't be seen with R/B light. That is the 2nd reason it is outdated and nearly un-usable for horticulture, your QA/QC would be a frigging nightmare on a commercial level.

oh god thank u i thought i was alone

what u are talking about is correct .......with the advent of indoor /outdoor strains targeting for best responses to mate those plants ......over the time those strains got those features it part of the reason taste/smells the way it does

as for the white light that is all on US as humans ....the white light makes it easy to see the true colors reflecting off the leaves (white is the whole spectrum in one) so the true color of the leaf/plant is seen in that light as u all know colors absorb light and reflect the color they are back which we see as what color it is ......black absorbs them all so it is black

giventhe way light tech has been going .......the breeders will end up using those them self over a few years the plants will slow shift towards that way and few more u will be looking at better yields on plants using that system then any other one

i want to get drunk with u ...we would have fun.....i got drunk chess

Corso312 · Feb 23, 2016

justugh said:
do not know the driver they do not list it ...can write and ask but odds are meanwell
to counter it i just have to say 90 day return with a 5 year warrenty (they will be around)

try the light if does not work as well as u want return it in 60/70 days (by then u can judge for self) .........the guy has a 2x8 foot area that is 2 lights to cover it
the 150w one i linked would do it great core foot print is 3 x1.5 maximum print is 4.5x3.5 so with a good flat white paint he can make the whole 2 foot core power par

talk all the shit u guys want u can not beat the fact they offer 90 days to try out .........5 year coverage and they are listing 50k hours minal (not maximum like the other lights) 100k hours maximum double what the others are rated

show me anouther maker that offers anything close to that ........and has been around for atleast 3 years
best bang for the buck and risk free

u guys keeps saying look at this look at that .........sure i look but all the info should be in the same format to compare not this Tastyled crap

I have to assume if Platinum LED is using meanwell drivers, they would proudly say so... If " ultra efficient" is their only description ..its a cheapo Chinese junk.

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

Corso312 said:
I have to assume if Platinum LED is using meanwell drivers, they would proudly say so... If " ultra efficient" is their only description ..its a cheapo Chinese junk.

why before i can say yes it is or no it is not i would need to ask infact i will now using the amazon site so listed there for others

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

Corso312 said:
I have to assume if Platinum LED is using meanwell drivers, they would proudly say so... If " ultra efficient" is their only description ..its a cheapo Chinese junk.

when/if i get a answer i will make sure to link it to u /this

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

just so u know .......i got mine from china that is where most of them come from and they mark them up 2 times the orginal cost and sell to us
it has meanwell driver in it

@Abiqua
want to have some real fun with tuning lights
http://www.ledzeal.com/p44.html

try these guys ......i love it

Resinhound · Feb 23, 2016

justugh said:
think any way u want ......that is your given right

i account for variables u do not see or think about .......it is called the "what if" game ....it is just that start with anything and ask what if adding on a 2nd variable run the idea out to the end getting a result know from personal exp/reading/schooling or end up with a new experiment to get a answer to the game

how fucking dumb are u .........every farmer on the planet knows u are wrong oh oh so wrong
it is do to the orbit around the sun and the rotation/wobble to the planets own spin ....we have light shifts in the spectrum human eyes do not notice but plants do (if u were correct we could grow corn all year long and other fruits veggies that need the light shift to trigger it ) duh
we have been talking about it since u learned to grow ......when to plant and why u plant it then outdoors ......indoors u are only mimicking the best possible outdoor evo for the whole of it life

PAR we been talking about it the whole time COBS supply it all at once ........some plants do not respond to that since they are PHOTO REACTIVE they need a shift in the light spectrum to trigger flowering ........using a cob u are only doing the hour shift trying to trigger the reaction with the full spectrum some plants will love this some plants will under yield do to this

i never stop thinking i can not my head will never shut up ........weed only slows down the number of subjects i cover in a given day .....part of the reason i am here other ppls problems focus the work i do sends me down a path i would not though of on my own untill i had that problem

oh god thank u i thought i was alone

what u are talking about is correct .......with the advent of indoor /outdoor strains targeting for best responses to mate those plants ......over the time those strains got those features it part of the reason taste/smells the way it does

as for the white light that is all on US as humans ....the white light makes it easy to see the true colors reflecting off the leaves (white is the whole spectrum in one) so the true color of the leaf/plant is seen in that light as u all know colors absorb light and reflect the color they are back which we see as what color it is ......black absorbs them all so it is black

giventhe way light tech has been going .......the breeders will end up using those them self over a few years the plants will slow shift towards that way and few more u will be looking at better yields on plants using that system then any other one

i want to get drunk with u ...we would have fun.....i got drunk chess

You obviously fail to see the trend of this thread.Oh well,you do provide some entertainment factor.I make it a game,I try to put your sentences together so they make sense...

But anywho the entertainment factor has worn thin,kicking a dead horse comes to mind .Ill just toss you on my illustrious RIU ignore list.Ill bring you out for a good laugh from time to time.You never disappoint.

Abiqua · Feb 23, 2016

Cree CXB 3070.....looks like white light covers a nice portion of the RQE, not a bad tool to reference and jumping off point, no matter the cultivar imho.....

Sorry, can't credit the original member, because I didn't label, but look at these PAR #'s across the grow space, not a single point reference [which is how most of the bullshit is started in the 1st place, just a radiometric riddle really, and a bad one]

Platinum doesn't use Meanwell or anything of quality, the forum is aware. They have been dissected repeatedly. Beating a dead horse is right..... but maybe someone will take away something from all this :peace:

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

again going round and round in circle here

i stated the info ........the info is scientifically backed with millions of years of evolution
the breeders are speeding up the plants evolution and picking it's direction ........until they go to a ALL in one light for a few years and breed the strains using that light picking the ones that response best to that light it is still a gamble on how the plant the strain is going to react to it........so it better to have the light the plants were originally breed for ......for at least a few more years

2nd 90 day return .......does not like can return for full refund of money so that automatically lends hmmmm why not try this light i get free light for 80 days send it back 2 day shipping not out any money ....they have the rest of the info layed out i can make a have decent guess of how strong of a light i need for my area

i think i am right and your over selling a product that could make good results on the right strain
u think i am a moron that is up his ass and wrong

i tried explaining why i think this and back it u dismiss it and come back with other info that does not confront what i am saying

justugh · Feb 23, 2016

the guy is not trying to blow out a fucking warehouse with a field of green
he has not picked strains that he knows will work well in that light .........it a matter of getting the most out of the dollar u spend now

your cobs are 50k hours the light is 50k/100k hours ........u worked that out on autos 20/4 time that 46or 48 (stoned little drunk) months none stop running

by then this light and cob light tech will be old news with the rate tech advances .......look at HIDs SE ballast are still main stream now the DE is coming up and some of the better brands have gone to dual use .....so it only matters on the hood style u picked

2 years ago i got ballast .......now they are dated and locked on only SE bulbs seen the price on those when it was the only style seen the price on it now lost 1/3 of value

Abiqua · Feb 24, 2016

bout a pound

714steadyeddie · Feb 24, 2016

How far away should I put my sprouted seedling from my CLW 220watt LED ?

testiclees · Feb 24, 2016

Platinum even booted from 420 where LED lies are born and bred:

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JediMindTrix · Mar 8, 2016

You know how you can watch George on Seinfeld sometimes, and the stuff he does is so embarrassing that you actually feel embarrassed yourself? I got that reading this thread.

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