Lighting

Educated_Black_Man

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Im goin to grow one plant in my attic and was thinkin about maybe using my verilux lamp and maybe a few CFL's

i wanted to know if this would be a good set up for growin tha whole way through and if i should use more CFL's or less.

and last question i read on previous forums about police scannin areas with thermal sensors. So if im only going to grow one plant with only a few lights will they pick it up on the scanner or are they even gonna giva a fuck?

get back at me
thnks
 

mogie

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Contributed by: snoofer
Images archived 2003

Infrared cameras are widely used by law enforcement for border patrol, grow room confirmation, and other surveillance operations. There is legal debate as to whether this technology is intrusive or non-invasive.

Growers fear IR because it?s difficult to ?hide? invisible heat. Protecting yourself against excessive heat emissions is a good defensive measure. This FAQ focuses on masking heat emissions.

What is infrared?
Light and heat energy warm objects, which then re-radiate excess energy. Some of this excess energy is emitted as low-energy infrared. IR is invisible to the naked eye, but can be displayed and measured by specialized cameras.

What does Leo look for?
Officers are trained to look for hot spots on walls and windows, unusually warm foundations, exhaust emissions from vents and chimneys, and warming trends typical of marijuana grow operations. Leo will wait until evening or early morning (when the grow is up to full temperature and the air is cool). He will also look for light leaks, smells and other info at this time.

Note: Leo will try to image a suspected grow-op from all angles, but is only legally able to do so from public property (ie. Sidewalks, roads, public paths, etc).

Note: power companies occasionally image power pole transformers to see if they are abnormally hot (problems), and to source power theft.

Legal implications
(ExpensiveCloset) "A thermal imaging scan does not intrude in any way into the privacy and sanctity of a home?the privacy associated with a home, are (not) threatened by thermal imagery." (US supreme court ruling)

"The Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 on June 11 [2001] that police cannot use infrared heat-detecting technology to gather evidence from a private home without a search warrant" High Times, October 2001 (Pg.20)

In Canada, IR is used in the pre-investigation phase. Positive results can then be used to obtain a search warrant.

Will Insulation help?
Conventional insulation will help block IR, but it is probably not enough by itself. A fully insulated wall (R 40) will hold heat much longer than a window (R 2). Concrete is a good conductor of heat; after hours of HID lighting, foundations will become abnormally warm.

Most growers flower at night to take advantage of the naturally cooler air; unfortunately, a warm grow house will radiate lots of thermal energy compared to the cool night air.

How do I mask my heat emissions?
Note: Small grows (under 2000w) would probably not emit enough heat to warrant the effort or expense.

Note: Reducing grow room temperature will reduce heat emissions; however, the grow room will still be warmer than surrounding basement rooms.

This technique creates a false wall to contain cold air. Interlocking rigid foam panels prevent hot grow room air from contacting and warming house walls. Cold air is blown into the gap between the foam and the walls for maximum protection. The wall?s exterior will appear ?cold? to an IR camera, indicating a negative for internal heat.

· "Partial room" (insulate exposed walls only)
· "Room in a room" (entire rooms are insulated)

*Floor. Concrete foundations absorb heat readily. Build a sub floor to raise the entire grow off the floor.

*Walls. Use interlocking 1.5 or 2? foam insulation along all exposed walls. Place the insulation 1-4? away from walls, fit foam panels from floor to ceiling (some cutting may be required), and blow cold air into the gap. Seal seams and corners with tape. Cover walls with Mylar to reflect heat back into the room.

*Windows. Windows are essentially uninsulated, so you must fill the gap with insulation. Draw the curtains/blinds, add black poly behind, then add insulation.

Drawing description

A ? Public property that Leo can image from

B ? Internal basement room. Grow room heat will still be noticeable, and this side needs protection.

C -- ?Safe? basement rooms. Put ballasts and reservoir outside to minimize heat

D ? Partially insulated growroom. The pink band is the interlocking foam insulation, the blue band is the cold air contained between the insulation and the house walls. The window on the bottom of the picture can be open to allow cold air to enter the air gap. Room temperature air can also be blown in from an adjacent basement room through a hole in the foam panels.

Hiding the Exhaust
Safely exhausting hot air is difficult; Leo looks for unusual heat emissions coming from opened windows, chimneys, dryer vents and other handy places. Note: running exhaust to outside sheds, barns and tree stumps is well known to Leo.

Exhaust down the sewer
Every house has a sewer vent standpipe. By venting down the sewer, the exhaust will be chilled and smell is distributed amongst you and your neighbors. The sewer cleanout access is often a 3-way 4? abs ?T? with a threaded cap somewhere in the basement. Remove cap, and hook your blower to the T (A 4? to 3? adapter funnel may be required) and run blower 24/7. This will not affect normal use of the sewer

Cool exhaust with water
Place a wet towel (wicking water from a tray underneath) partially over the end of the exhaust. Spraying water inside the exhaust pipe works as well.

Underground exhaust
Running the exhaust through a long, buried pipe helps to cool the air. Perimeter drains can be used for this.

Water-cooled lights
Running water cooled lights is very effective; IR heat from the lights are washed down the drain. Water cooled light systems are currently difficult to source, and have drawbacks including cost, condensation and leaks.

Tools for the grower:
Note: most ?night vision? devices use UV (ultraviolet) and not longwave IR detection.

Engine heat ?guns?. +/- 1F. Numerical readout, laser pointer.
"Night Vision" scopes, cameras and camcorders.
Infrared film (Kodak High Speed Infrared Film 2481)
 

ablazed blunt

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That light setup isn't the best but if that is all you got then it will work. If you do have the $$ then go buy yourself a hps light for better results. I'm not really sure about the scannin thing. I know what your talking about but I don't know if they will pick up your op. I got 6 plants and havn't had any troble with the police but I don't know.... hope it helps.
 

mogie

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First of all they can't pick up your heat signature on a police scanner. All that does is relay their radio messages. If you read the post above you will see that if you stay under a certain wattage you don't have to worry. Plus it tells how to seal so heat doesn't leak too much.
 

Educated_Black_Man

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alright

well my verilux lamp is a 24w FL with four connected tubes
and the CFL's i was gonna use are each 13w
so thats probably pretty safe rite....but on the other hand i'd need a lil bit more wattage/lumens right?
 
with those lights you would have to be a dumbass to get caught since cfls use very less energy and produce much less heat then normal HIDs i use 2 400 watts hps in a 4x2 area for 8 plants and i have never had a problem and ya i think you sould get more lights or a small 150w hps or something
 

underboss

Active Member
Hi, Im new to the forum and basically have the same question as educated black man, with the exception that I will be running a 400w mh for veging and a hps for flowering. Will the heat retained in the plants possibly 16 or less raise a flag for the pigs that are always flying by night after night!
P.S how do I start my own post topic!
Thanks
 

Educated_Black_Man

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the only problem i have
is im fuckin broke as hell ....cant afford one of those lamps at tha moment
but i've seen set ups on this site with multiple CFL's for just one plant
 

leafwrapper

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the plants themselves produce a ton of heat as well, if u have multiple plants make sure there not aligned, keep them scattered.
 

ablazed blunt

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I don't see why they would have to be scattered and not aligned. If you got 10 plants in a 5x5 room then it isn't going to matter anyways. That one room is going to look like a big red dot on the scanner. I could be wrong though.
 

Educated_Black_Man

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So......is sumone gone answer my Q?

Is my set-up going to work for growing my plant all tha way through flowering...with the addition of more CFL's?
 

leafwrapper

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for vegging u r prolly good(altho more light would help). As for flower those tubes wont do much, and 13w cfls dont bring alot to the table. Id go buy 4 45w cfls (walmart, home depot, lowes all carry) and ull be good for one plant to bring u some smoke.
 

ngtybear

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EBM,

For $50 you can buy 10 26w CFLs and fixtures which will produce 16,000 lumens. I just took 10 plants through veg with just that setup (see pic below).

I think whay you have will get you started, but you will soon want more light. It also depends on how you have the lights setup. In a closed box which is well reflected, you need less light. Again, IMHO.
 

ngtybear

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I bought everything at home depot.

Actually, all 10 lights fit into two fixtures. They were easier to install than the fans. Not a big deal. I see I missed the pic. I have added it this time.
 
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