List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse

tyler.durden

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because i dont think a satellite would suddenly change directions out of nowhere. if im wrong correct me, but i think they have to stay in orbit. and so you're tryin to say that its more logical that all of our brains glitched at the same time for the same amount of time seein the same exact thing than aliens?
It's far more likely that a group hallucination took place than intelligent extra terrestrial life visited our planet. There have been multitudes of reports of shared group visions, and it may not be that you all saw the exact same thing. Sometimes it goes like this: You say to your friend, 'Did you see that?!', and your friend responds, 'Yeah!' Then, each person adds a little something of their own, 'it zigzagged', and another person, 'then it shot straight up in the air!' As you recall the experience, everyone's mind produces the collective memory as if they each actually saw the same thing. This process can be enhanced by ingesting mind altering substances. Memories aren't like a digital recording, we don't have a single area of the mind where our experiences are stored and recalled accurately every time, and memories can shift and change over time. After witnessing a crime, a dozen eye witnesses will recall details VERY differently (the gunman was tall, short, black, white, wearing a read jacket, wearing a blue jacket). The witnesses are all telling the truth of what they saw, but obviously they can't all be correct. It always amuses me getting together with old friends or at a family gathering where someone will say, 'remember the time...?' only to realize their recollection is slightly (or grossly) different than my own, and others present. I'm not saying this is exactly what happened in your situation, but I believe it's closer to the truth than the alien explanation. It's that Occam's razor thing again...
 

blazinkill504

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It's far more likely that a group hallucination took place than intelligent extra terrestrial life visited our planet. There have been multitudes of reports of shared group visions, and it may not be that you all saw the exact same thing. Sometimes it goes like this: You say to your friend, 'Did you see that?!', and your friend responds, 'Yeah!' Then, each person adds a little something of their own, 'it zigzagged', and another person, 'then it shot straight up in the air!' As you recall the experience, everyone's mind produces the collective memory as if they each actually saw the same thing. This process can be enhanced by ingesting mind altering substances. Memories aren't like a digital recording, we don't have a single area of the mind where our experiences are stored and recalled accurately every time, and memories can shift and change over time. After witnessing a crime, a dozen eye witnesses will recall details VERY differently (the gunman was tall, short, black, white, wearing a read jacket, wearing a blue jacket). The witnesses are all telling the truth of what they saw, but obviously they can't all be correct. It always amuses me getting together with old friends or at a family gathering where someone will say, 'remember the time...?' only to realize their recollection is slightly (or grossly) different than my own, and others present. I'm not saying this is exactly what happened in your situation, but I believe it's closer to the truth than the alien explanation. It's that Occam's razor thing again...
read my previous post sir. we had 4 people outside and myself and another friend was smokin, another had some legal and his gf didnt smoke or do anythin that night. i remember it like it was yesterday cause it was durin the last ufc fight card.
 

tyler.durden

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read my previous post sir. we had 4 people outside and myself and another friend was smokin, another had some legal and his gf didnt smoke or do anythin that night. i remember it like it was yesterday cause it was durin the last ufc fight card.
I understand. Mind altering substances are not necessary for the phenomenon I was referring to to take place. My point is just because we are certain of what we remember doesn't make the memory accurate to what actually took place (my eyewitness example). I have many memories that I've come to accept are not entirely accurate through several third party verifications, and in studying cognitive science we can see how this happens. I'm not saying I'm right, just that it's a more reasonable explanation...
 

Hepheastus420

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they made a nice place for all the pervs to hide and play with lil boys.
That's like saying if someone raped a kid in walmart, then walmart is a "nice little place for all the pervs to hide and play with lip boys". Neither walmart nor (most) churches allow child molestation.
 

blazinkill504

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I understand. Mind altering substances are not necessary for the phenomenon I was referring to to take place. My point is just because we are certain of what we remember doesn't make the memory accurate to what actually took place (my eyewitness example). I have many memories that I've come to accept are not entirely accurate through several third party verifications, and in studying cognitive science we can see how this happens. I'm not saying I'm right, just that it's a more reasonable explanation...
i see what yall are sayin that aliens is a jump to conclusions, but i really dunno what it coulda been. it for sure wasnt a plane cause like i said there was a plane of to the left of it and it was a lot lower and had the blinkin lights on it. this just looked like a star movin in crazy ways then vanish
 

ohmy

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That's like saying if someone raped a kid in walmart, then walmart is a "nice little place for all the pervs to hide and play with lip boys". Neither walmart nor (most) churches allow child molestation.[/QUOTE christains did not build walmart ;-) If you knew the trure numbers of perv preist you would stay at walmart to feel safe if you was a kid
 

Filthy Phil

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That's like saying if someone raped a kid in walmart, then walmart is a "nice little place for all the pervs to hide and play with lip boys". Neither walmart nor (most) churches allow child molestation.
Incorrect. Walmart doesnt. The christian church...once found out as a pedophil they simply send you to another church. I wish I could remember this documentary off hand, but its about this string of pedophilia that was happening ALL OVER california for like 20 years in churches. Complaints would get made.and a pastor would be relocated.to have his position filled by a complained about pedophile from another church. The administration from the churches knew, they just were told to not say anything.. The church has a long history of harboring pedophiles. This movie was blatantly FUCKED UP!!
 

Filthy Phil

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It's far more likely that a group hallucination took place than intelligent extra terrestrial life visited our planet. There have been multitudes of reports of shared group visions, and it may not be that you all saw the exact same thing. Sometimes it goes like this: You say to your friend, 'Did you see that?!', and your friend responds, 'Yeah!' Then, each person adds a little something of their own, 'it zigzagged', and another person, 'then it shot straight up in the air!' As you recall the experience, everyone's mind produces the collective memory as if they each actually saw the same thing. This process can be enhanced by ingesting mind altering substances. Memories aren't like a digital recording, we don't have a single area of the mind where our experiences are stored and recalled accurately every time, and memories can shift and change over time. After witnessing a crime, a dozen eye witnesses will recall details VERY differently (the gunman was tall, short, black, white, wearing a read jacket, wearing a blue jacket). The witnesses are all telling the truth of what they saw, but obviously they can't all be correct. It always amuses me getting together with old friends or at a family gathering where someone will say, 'remember the time...?' only to realize their recollection is slightly (or grossly) different than my own, and others present. I'm not saying this is exactly what happened in your situation, but I believe it's closer to the truth than the alien explanation. It's that Occam's razor thing again...
Have you ever heard of ergotisim? Google it, its a game changer when you think how many instances of ergotism there were...salem which trials, boston tea party (the original, not the one full of idiots)
 

sen.c

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christains did not build walmart
So you got the employer records to prove this? That is how ignorant you sound. I am sure that if you were molested as a child by a priest or anyone for that matter that all of us "Christian and non "Christian" alike are truly sorry and it is something that's wrong and not acceptable by the majority of people world wide.
 

Heisenberg

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i see what yall are sayin that aliens is a jump to conclusions, but i really dunno what it coulda been. it for sure wasnt a plane cause like i said there was a plane of to the left of it and it was a lot lower and had the blinkin lights on it. this just looked like a star movin in crazy ways then vanish
Experimental test planes are often sent up with 'regular' escorts. Try to find the very recent "area 51 debunked" where many officials come forward and admit that the govt was more than happy to let people believe it's secret planes were alien aircraft. They didn't intend for this belief to occur, but they weren't about to reveal secret technology to clear it up. This may have nothing to do with what you saw. You may also want to learn about common perception and memory mistakes. Ever hear of the miracle of the sun?

We look to these things before aliens because 1) we have no evidential arrows pointing to aliens 2) these misconceptions are real, documented and reproducible 3) in most cases investigations have turned up these misconceptions and mistakes as the root of the sighting. 4) Occams Razor

Scientist do not say any life out there is microscopic. They do not know. What they do know is the laws of physics which are the same everywhere in the universe we can observe. This makes the chances of alien life very probable, while the chances of them visiting remains highly improbable. Also known as the Fermi Paradox.
 

tyler.durden

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Hey, Phil. I wasn't familiar with ergotism, but I just looked it up. That is interesting, and might explain some strange shared visions throughout history...
 

Filthy Phil

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Hey, Phil. I wasn't familiar with ergotism, but I just looked it up. That is interesting, and might explain some strange shared visions throughout history...
A lot of bizzare occurences throughout history might be explained by outbreaks. They used to call it St Elmos Fire. I think a lot of cases of witch trialscould he explained by this, I think the boston tea party too. I also think that in the bible when "speaking in tongues" began, when they saw visions and fire on eachothers heads, people spoke but their words werent understandable....sounds like ergotism to me. Funny thing, if it was ergotism, people today who speak in tongues have just ritualized a case of people tripping balls and not being able to speak.... Kinda funny
 

blazinkill504

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Experimental test planes are often sent up with 'regular' escorts. Try to find the very recent "area 51 debunked" where many officials come forward and admit that the govt was more than happy to let people believe it's secret planes were alien aircraft. They didn't intend for this belief to occur, but they weren't about to reveal secret technology to clear it up. This may have nothing to do with what you saw. You may also want to learn about common perception and memory mistakes. Ever hear of the miracle of the sun?

We look to these things before aliens because 1) we have no evidential arrows pointing to aliens 2) these misconceptions are real, documented and reproducible 3) in most cases investigations have turned up these misconceptions and mistakes as the root of the sighting. 4) Occams Razor

Scientist do not say any life out there is microscopic. They do not know. What they do know is the laws of physics which are the same everywhere in the universe we can observe. This makes the chances of alien life very probable, while the chances of them visiting remains highly improbable. Also known as the Fermi Paradox.
i guess that damned history channel lied to me again about life outside the universe...that plane that was in the are at the same time was nowhere near the object. i actually have that area 51 and ive watched it many times, but none that were talked to actually worked on the aircraft so for them to say what the origin of it was..doesnt fly with me(get it lol) they said they were told only the shit they needed to know and i dunno if it was in that one or another area 51 one that said it but one of them said there was a certain percentage of shit ppl said they saw that wasnt them or anythin they were doin.

is aliens visitin us just not an option of how it went in yalls minds?
 

blazinkill504

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somethin that i feel christians did wrong is ownin chik-fil-a because of them i cant get my favorite chicken nuggets on sunday!
 

Heisenberg

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is aliens visitin us just not an option of how it went in yalls minds?
Of course it is an option, but we need evidence. Anecdotal information is only enough evidence to begin an investigation. It is essentially an observation, the first step in the scientific method. To draw a conclusion from only the first step, without any attempts at falsification or controls, it almost certain to result in errors. Establishing that aliens exist is only one small criteria that the ancient aliens theory needs to satisfy. Criticizing a theory is a natural part of the process of validating it. With the ancient aliens theory, the very process does not survive falsification. If the process is not sound, then all answers are highly suspect and when we examine them and find errors, we are going to be able to trace those errors back to sloppy methodology. Science attempt to prove itself right by failing to prove itself wrong. The ancient aliens theory makes no attempts to prove itself wrong, and makes every assumption needed to support it preconceived views. Furthermore, if we look into the minds behind the thoery and the show we see incidences of supplying false data and total lack of credentials.

Some also question von Däniken's credibility, as he has also knowingly put forward fraudulent evidence to advance his hypotheses, such as photographs of pottery "depicting UFOs", supposedly from an archaeological dig dating back to the biblical era. The PBS television series Nova determined that this was a fraud, and even located the potter who made them. When confronted with this evidence, von Däniken argued that the deception was justified because some people would only believe his ideas if they saw actual proof.
David Hatcher Childress (born 1957) is an American author and publisher of books on topics on alternative history and historical revisionism. Childress claims no academic credentials as a professional archaeologist nor in any other scientific field of study, having left the University of Montana after one year to travel the world to personally research the subjects about which he would later write.
Giorgio A. Tsoukalos (born March 14, 1978) is a Swiss born Greek writer, television presenter, and proponent of the idea that ancient astronauts interacted with ancient humans, and is a consulting producer of the television series Ancient Aliens. Tsoukalos is a 1998 graduate of Ithaca College in Ithaca, New York with a degree in sports information and communication.
Is it any surprise these people place no importance on the scientific method? They have not be taught how, or have decided the method can be subverted to give the thoery support.

Jumping to conclusions is natural, but much of nature is counter-intuitive. Without strict standards and awareness of the mistakes humans are prone to we can never really trust the answers we have. Science is a systematic way of thoroughly and carefully observing nature while using consistent logic to evaluate the results. This results in a self criticizing and self correcting method of reaching the truth, and lets us have confidence in the claims we make.
 

blazinkill504

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it really isnt. like i said half the shit they say on the show to me is bull i really just look at the pics that cant be denied because the structures are real and go through my head what could have made it and how.
 

Heisenberg

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it really isnt. like i said half the shit they say on the show to me is bull i really just look at the pics that cant be denied because the structures are real and go through my head what could have made it and how.
Welcome to the awe that results from clear and careful observation. It can be demonstrated fairly conclusively that humans made these structures. They are a result of human ingenuity and dedication. This is a thoery which has support, and it is a good example of how we do not need religion, pseudoscience and myths to find true mystery and inspiration. The inspiration comes from knowing that they did do it, and the mystery is how. You now have a question which drives you (to whatever degree) to find an answer. Don't you want your answer to be the best approximation of the truth we can hope for? I regret I am unable to enlighten you about the structures you questioned, ancient aliens thoery is one course I've chosen to leave off my plate. I encourage you to seek the opinions of experts and report to us what you find, I would be very interested.
 

blazinkill504

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Welcome to the awe that results from clear and careful observation. It can be demonstrated fairly conclusively that humans made these structures. They are a result of human ingenuity and dedication. This is a thoery which has support, and it is a good example of how we do not need religion, pseudoscience and myths to find true mystery and inspiration. The inspiration comes from knowing that they did do it, and the mystery is how. You now have a question which drives you (to whatever degree) to find an answer. Don't you want your answer to be the best approximation of the truth we can hope for? I regret I am unable to enlighten you about the structures you questioned, ancient aliens thoery is one course I've chosen to leave off my plate. I encourage you to seek the opinions of experts and report to us what you find, I would be very interested.
when i think of people buildin things that are hard today by our standards waaaaaaaaay back in the day is when i start to think maybe they had help. ive watched all the vids posted about raisin multi-ton stones, but those too are just how people of today think they did it way back when. correct me if im wrong, but i dont believe any plans have ever been found for any of these structures written or verbal. i know us humans are very crafty, but i feel givin credit to that on a couple of these places is just a reach. just as much of a reach as sayin aliens done it. for example aa said that in lalibela's case they wrote down that angels came down at night and helped make them. now am i suppose to assume that our ancestors were just writin non-sense as to how it was built when it was really built by just them? humans have a thirst for greatness and i think if they were buildin amazin things of that nature they would have taken full credit for it without question.

i dunno if any experts will speak to me, but i would love to be able to find them and ask them these questions.
 

mindphuk

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when i think of people buildin things that are hard today by our standards waaaaaaaaay back in the day is when i start to think maybe they had help. ive watched all the vids posted about raisin multi-ton stones, but those too are just how people of today think they did it way back when. correct me if im wrong, but i dont believe any plans have ever been found for any of these structures written or verbal. i know us humans are very crafty, but i feel givin credit to that on a couple of these places is just a reach. just as much of a reach as sayin aliens done it. for example aa said that in lalibela's case they wrote down that angels came down at night and helped make them. now am i suppose to assume that our ancestors were just writin non-sense as to how it was built when it was really built by just them? humans have a thirst for greatness and i think if they were buildin amazin things of that nature they would have taken full credit for it without question.

i dunno if any experts will speak to me, but i would love to be able to find them and ask them these questions.
Have you ever looked at Greek or Roman architecture with the same wonder? The Roman Pantheon with its domed ceiling made entirely of concrete is incredible and would likely be mysterious if we didn't have some clues to how they did it. It was built at a time when most of the world was living in mud huts.
 
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