Lockdowns don't work.

DIY-HP-LED

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California City Official Ousted After Saying Old, Sick And Homeless Should Die In Pandemic
That went over like a turd in the punch bowl with the seniors crowd!
Older folks often vote, serve on city councils and boards of all kinds, including the one that fired this moron. Trump has lost 20 points with Florida seniors in the past month and it's got the republicans in a panic and a lot of GOP senators who are up for reelection too. It seems older people can change their minds about things, if their fucking lives are directly threatened by an idiot in the WH. :D
 

Fogdog

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Science deniers get violent

Citing Violent Threats Against Business Employees, Oklahoma Mayor Ends Mandatory Face Mask Order

Stillwater City Manager Norman McNickle said in statement that soon after the city started requiring patrons to put on masks before entering spaces like restaurants and stores, “store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse. In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm.”

“This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19,” McNickle said.

 

jimihendrix1

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Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model


New data from the University of Pennsylvania suggests that relaxing lockdowns across U.S. cities and states could have serious consequences for the country’s battle to contain the coronavirus, which has infected over a million people while killing more than 66,000 people.

According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.

Kent Smetters, the PWBM’s director, said the decision to reopen states is ultimately a “normative judgement that comes down to the statistical value of life.”

He explained: “That’s not a crude way of saying we put a dollar value on life, but it’s the idea that people will take risks all the time for economic reward.”

That figure far surpasses estimates and models that the White House has cited from the University of Washington, which put the death toll at roughly 73,000 by the start of August.

The U.S. economy is reeling as statewide lockdowns have thrown 30 million Americans out of their jobs, and stoked a furious debate about how long the restrictions can remain in place. Some states, like Georgia, are choosing to partially reopen, allowing businesses like restaurants, hair salons, massage parlors, and more to open again.

However, partially reopening would also cause the death toll to rise, the university’s data found. An additional 45,000 lives would be lost, according to Wharton’s Budget Model, bringing the U.S.’s death toll from COVID-19 to 222,000.

However, the policy of reopening states would provide a much needed economic boost, according to the model.

“Almost all net job losses between May 1 and June 30 would be eliminated,” the report found.

Keeping stay at home orders in place would result in a growth contraction of 11.6% year over year, the data found, but opening the states would curb some of that decline somewhat, paring back the downturn to 10.1% year over year.

However, Wharton’s data found that the state lockdowns will result in a more dramatic increase in unemployment, boosting the total of unemployed to nearly 50 million. A partial reopening would partly blunt that impact, but not by much.

In a bright spot for the plan to open states, the PWBM projects that almost all net job losses would be eliminated.

The model aims to quantify the trade-off to the economic benefits of reopening states amid the coronavirus pandemic that has killed nearly 240,000 people worldwide, with some 60,000 deaths in the United States.

The PWBM shows that when it comes to states’ plans to reopen their economies, not all states are created equal. One state’s decision could cause more damage than another.

If Colorado were to fully open, for example, the PWBM projected that by the end of June over 10,000 would die from coronavirus. That’s much higher than neighboring Kansas, where roughly 1,300 would lose their lives to COVID-19 under the same scenario.

And when it comes to economies, if Wisconsin stays closed, GDP would decline by 13%, compared to 10.8% in Maine.

“You may look at some states and say ‘You know what, they’re not ready to reopen yet,’” Smetters said.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Goddamn, the Coronavirus Pandemic Could Last an Entire Two Years
As some states lift stay-at-home orders, a new report says the outbreak won't be under control until after several waves.
I believe treatments will largely mitigate its lethal effects before a vaccine becomes available. By the new year, drug treatments, antibody therapies and good old fashioned convalescent plasma therapy will reduce mortality rates to a fraction of current levels. It's not a cure(s) but it will do until we get a vaccine, and for those whom vaccines aren't effective after we do. I think we can break the back of this bug by the new year, but it will break the back of Trump and the republicans in november.
 

doublejj

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Science deniers get violent

Citing Violent Threats Against Business Employees, Oklahoma Mayor Ends Mandatory Face Mask Order

Stillwater City Manager Norman McNickle said in statement that soon after the city started requiring patrons to put on masks before entering spaces like restaurants and stores, “store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse. In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm.”

“This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19,” McNickle said.

and they wonder why i dig foxholes..... :-(
 

DIY-HP-LED

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abandonconflict says he's willing to be a Kamikaze. I expect his opinion would change as they hook him up to a ventilator.
It would be kinda like scuba diving I suppose, with the second stage demand regulator tweaked up a bit ta give ya an extra puff. Sounds like being on a ventilator from what I've seen on the TVee.
 

jimihendrix1

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Birx’s ‘Fox News Sunday’ interview lays bare the discord in Trump’s coronavirus responseAppearing on “Fox News Sunday,” Deborah Birx offered very different comments compared with President Trump’s on the projected coronavirus death toll and the protesters who recently stormed the Michigan State Capitol. Birx was asked about Trump’s projections in recent weeks that there would be between 50,000 and 60,000 deaths, which he later increased to 60,000 to 70,000. We are at over 66,000 deaths, with little sign in recent weeks of any significant downturn. Birx told host Chris Wallace that “our projections have always been between 100,000 and 240,000 American lives lost, and that’s with full mitigation and us learning from each other of how to social distance.”That contradicts what Trump said. The president hasn’t just offered a more optimistic tone on the death toll; on April 20, he suggested 50,000 to 60,000 deaths had actually replaced the previous 100,000-to-240,000 goal that he had said would constitute a successful response.“We’re going toward 50, I’m hearing, or 60,000 people,” Trump said. “One is too many. I always say it: One is too many. But we’re going toward 50 or 60,000 people. That’s at the lower — as you know, the low number was supposed to be 100,000 people. We could end up at 50 to 60. Okay?”That first lowered estimate was passed in a matter of days, and the 60,000-to-70,000 estimate appears as though it won’t last past the early part of this week.Birx’s most significant comments on Sunday, though, came with regard to the protesters in Michigan. They stormed the State Capitol, some brandishing guns, to urge a reopening of the state.Birx’s message was clear: It’s a horrible development.“It’s devastatingly worrisome to me, personally, because if they go home and infect their grandmother or their grandfather who has a co-morbid condition and they have a serious or a very — or an unfortunate outcome, they will feel guilty for the rest of our lives,” she said. “So we need to protect each other at the same time we’re voicing our discontent.”That’s a kind of cautioning and rebuking of the protesters that we simply haven’t seen from Trump.The president, in fact, has tacitly encouraged protesters in states like Michigan, initially tweeting “LIBERATE MICHIGAN” when the protests began and offering similar sentiments for other states.Since then, he has been given several opportunities to suggest that the protesters should back off, but he has declined and instead suggested that he sympathizes with them and their goals.“The governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire,” Trump said Friday of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D). “These are very good people, but they are angry. They want their lives back again, safely! See them, talk to them, make a deal.”On April 19, Trump expressly declined to give the protesters guidance and said he agreed with their cause.“I don’t have any advice,” he said. “People feel that way. You’re allowed to protest. I mean, they — they feel that way. I watched a protest, and they were all six feet apart. I mean, it was a very orderly group of people.”In fact, photos showed that the protesters at the time were not abiding by guidelines on social distancing or wearing masks — nor have protesters since then.Trump added: “But, you know, some have gone too far. Some governors have gone too far. Some of the things that happened are maybe not so appropriate.”He added the day before that some governors “have gotten carried away. They have absolutely gotten carried away.”When pressed again on the protesters opposing and failing to practice social distancing, which he and the federal government have pushed, Trump again pointed to the governors.“I mean, I notice there were a lot of protests out there,” he said. “And I just think that some of the governors have gotten carried away.”While Trump hasn’t been completely explicit about encouraging the protesters, by sympathizing with their cause, accusing certain governors of overreach and urging those governors to compromise with the protesters, it’s not difficult to see how that could feed the unrest.
n cautioning those protesters about putting their own loved ones’ lives at risk, Birx offered almost a diametrically opposed message — as has often been the case between Trump and his top health officials.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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If only true it would be the silver lining of this cloud
The mortality rate is around .5% right now with proper treatment, say if properly deployed, remdesivir could drop it to .3% add in convalescent plasma and the mortality rate could drop to as low as .1%. Remdesivir is being deployed now, while we await further data on its efficacy and likewise for convalescent plasma therapy. Both treatments can be improved when used with other drugs or in combination with Plasma therapy. Here are some facts about the current blood donor infrastructure, this can be rapidly scaled up and they are currently collecting and preparing. We could collect tens of thousands of units of blood a day and deploy tens of thousands of units of plasma a day. This treatment will also improve as plasma(and donors) are qualified by the antibody titers present (how strong it is). There are also other treatments coming online over the summer, but if the studies confirm what many believe, these two should be deployed within a month. Each new treatment option is another weapon for doctors to use in the fight to save lives, each one drives the mortality rate and fear level down.

56 Facts about Blood
1. More than 4.5 million patients need blood transfusions each year in the U.S. and Canada.
2. 43,000 pints: amount of donated blood used each day in the U.S. and Canada.
3. Someone needs blood every two seconds.
4. Only 37 percent of the U.S. population is eligible to donate blood – less than 10 percent do annually**.
5. About 1 in 7 people entering a hospital need blood.
6. One pint of blood can save up to three lives.
7. Healthy adults who are at least 17 years old, and at least 110 pounds may donate about a pint of blood—the most common form of donation—every 56 days, or every two months. Females receive 53 percent of blood transfusions; males receive 47 percent.
8. 94 percent of blood donors are registered voters.
 
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Fogdog

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Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model


New data from the University of Pennsylvania suggests that relaxing lockdowns across U.S. cities and states could have serious consequences for the country’s battle to contain the coronavirus, which has infected over a million people while killing more than 66,000 people.

According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.

Kent Smetters, the PWBM’s director, said the decision to reopen states is ultimately a “normative judgement that comes down to the statistical value of life.”

He explained: “That’s not a crude way of saying we put a dollar value on life, but it’s the idea that people will take risks all the time for economic reward.”

That figure far surpasses estimates and models that the White House has cited from the University of Washington, which put the death toll at roughly 73,000 by the start of August.

The U.S. economy is reeling as statewide lockdowns have thrown 30 million Americans out of their jobs, and stoked a furious debate about how long the restrictions can remain in place. Some states, like Georgia, are choosing to partially reopen, allowing businesses like restaurants, hair salons, massage parlors, and more to open again.

However, partially reopening would also cause the death toll to rise, the university’s data found. An additional 45,000 lives would be lost, according to Wharton’s Budget Model, bringing the U.S.’s death toll from COVID-19 to 222,000.

However, the policy of reopening states would provide a much needed economic boost, according to the model.

“Almost all net job losses between May 1 and June 30 would be eliminated,” the report found.

Keeping stay at home orders in place would result in a growth contraction of 11.6% year over year, the data found, but opening the states would curb some of that decline somewhat, paring back the downturn to 10.1% year over year.

However, Wharton’s data found that the state lockdowns will result in a more dramatic increase in unemployment, boosting the total of unemployed to nearly 50 million. A partial reopening would partly blunt that impact, but not by much.

In a bright spot for the plan to open states, the PWBM projects that almost all net job losses would be eliminated.

The model aims to quantify the trade-off to the economic benefits of reopening states amid the coronavirus pandemic that has killed nearly 240,000 people worldwide, with some 60,000 deaths in the United States.

The PWBM shows that when it comes to states’ plans to reopen their economies, not all states are created equal. One state’s decision could cause more damage than another.

If Colorado were to fully open, for example, the PWBM projected that by the end of June over 10,000 would die from coronavirus. That’s much higher than neighboring Kansas, where roughly 1,300 would lose their lives to COVID-19 under the same scenario.

And when it comes to economies, if Wisconsin stays closed, GDP would decline by 13%, compared to 10.8% in Maine.

“You may look at some states and say ‘You know what, they’re not ready to reopen yet,’” Smetters said.
One irritating aspect of epidemiology science denial is how they diminish the value of people's lives.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Science deniers get violent

Citing Violent Threats Against Business Employees, Oklahoma Mayor Ends Mandatory Face Mask Order

Stillwater City Manager Norman McNickle said in statement that soon after the city started requiring patrons to put on masks before entering spaces like restaurants and stores, “store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse. In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm.”

“This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19,” McNickle said.

I live in Stillwater . You wouldn’t believe what stupid inbred morons live here and In the small towns that surround Stillwater . You just go into the dollar store or the Walmart and you see the KKK type scum of the earth. I have them as patients. Dirty discusting low life idiots.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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One irritating aspect of epidemiology science denial is how they diminish the value of people's lives.
It's a statistical science, only the numbers and outcomes count, not the lives or the stories behind them.

"Joseph Stalin is reputed to have said that the death of one person is a tragedy; the death of one million is a statistic".



Why Is the Death of One Million a Statistic?
The human tendency to turn away from mass suffering is well documented.
 

Fogdog

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I live in Stillwater . You wouldn’t believe what stupid inbred morons live here and In the small towns that surround Stillwater . You just go into the dollar store or the Walmart and you see the KKK type scum of the earth. I have them as patients. Dirty discusting low life idiots.
It took three hours before a lunkhead threatened harm to a worker who was simply doing their job.

LOL, Walmart is classy compared to Dollar Stores.

“I don’t have to get all dressed up like I’m going to Wal-Mart or something,” she said…

 
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