Longest you’ve vegged for?

Growing is a personal thing. Just like your cup of coffee.

you can go all out and get as much yield as possible.

Or as you’re doing have a variety of smaller plants.

I prefer a variety than trying to smoke half a lb of the same strain...

If l yielded 60g per plant l wouldnt hit a gram per watt, not a waste but not good. Hope its fire for that return.

speedwell68 said:

Exactly what I said. Take a tomato plant it doesn't start producing flowers until it is ready to do so. We are forcing the plants to flower by controlling the environment, if the plant hasn't had enough time to mature then it isn't going to do very well. A plant that has taken time to mature will perform much better.

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Cannabis doesn't flower until it's ready either. You can't force a plant to flower if it is not mature. Can you please explain how vegging longer effects resin production and terpenes?

twentyeight.threefive said:

Cannabis doesn't flower until it's ready either. You can't force a plant to flower if it is not mature. Can you please explain how vegging longer effects resin production and terpenes?

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The only plausible factor are microbes. It takes ‘time’ for a relationship to establish.

And just how long until the optimum microbe relation is reached?

I don’t know the answers but more time makes sense. Better plant/soil relationship the more the plant has at reaching its genetic potential

Nutty sKunK said:

The only plausible factor are microbes. It takes ‘time’ for a relationship to establish.

And just how long until the optimum microbe relation is reached?

I don’t know the answers but more time makes sense. Better plant/soil relationship the more the plant has at reaching its genetic potential

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There is no plausible factor. Resin and terpenes are produced in flower and have no relation to veg. Their production will be based on genetics.

There are so many other grow styles that don't depend on microbes to provide nutrients to plants. So we can throw that explanation out the window.

It's clear he has no scientific explanation and his statement is purely on baseless personal opinion.

twentyeight.threefive said:

There is no plausible factor. Resin and terpenes are produced in flower and have no relation to veg. Their production will be based on genetics.

There are so many other grow styles that don't depend on microbes to provide nutrients to plants. So we can throw that explanation out the window.

It's clear he has no scientific explanation and his statement is purely on baseless personal opinion.

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But in veg they are building a root system/ symbiotic relationship with the soil so it plays some part.

Ive seen many people come back from Hydro for tastier weed. Why? It’s the microbial life.

Microbes do play a part in terpene/resin production. That’s a fact.


Also if he says it’s better then who are we to doubt him? Are there terpene police coming around and measuring his terpenes?

Or can u simply just smoke it and notice the difference?

Nutty sKunK said:

But in veg they are building a root system/ symbiotic relationship with the soil so it plays some part.

Ive seen many people come back from Hydro for tastier weed. Why? It’s the microbial life.

Microbes do play a part in terpene/resin production. That’s a fact.


Also if he says it’s better then who are we to doubt him? Are there terpene police coming around and measuring his terpenes?

Or can u simply just smoke it and notice the difference?

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Lol. Ok.

speedwell68 said:

Where I am sat the penalty for cultivating cannabis is 14 years in prison. Has it occured to you that I only want to grow 60g a plant? The plants in my flower tent have way more than that on them and I am very worried that I have grown too much. I can't sell it and I can't give it away. I have 12 plants in 120x120x90 space. I have a choice, I can grow two massive plants with multiple heads and yield more than I can deal with or I can grow lots of very small plants with 4 heads each, giving me the amount that I need and my choice of multiple varieties. I normally expect to get 500 - 600 g per grow.

Due to various factors I had a batch of 12 plants that weren't flowered they were left in the propagation tent. They got big and gnarly. They are all off 3rd generation clones, so I know what to expect. So I pruned them right down and flipped them to flower, they have responded better than these clones ever have. The only difference with this batch of 12 is they have been vegging for 6 months.

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That just doesn't tally up?
why not grow less with more on them if it's so bad where you are in the world?

Humboldtcalikidd said:

What kind of troubles do you speak of? Size? Just curious.

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size for sure is one problem unless you have an actual room to flower in but for a tent 12 weeks is too long

Star Dog said:

That just doesn't tally up?
why not grow less with more on them if it's so bad where you are in the world?

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The law doesn't care how many you have just the weight you have. So I chose to keep the plants very compact and have multiple varieties.

speedwell68 said:

The law doesn't care how many you have just the weight you have. So I chose to keep the plants very compact and have multiple varieties.

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But if you keep them small you lose yield which is one if your arguments for vegging longer wasn't it?

Come to think of it about 6 months, they were 14ft tall in 50g smartpots, others were bushes. Started my outdoor in january aug they start to flower, transition.

twentyeight.threefive said:

It's clear he has no scientific explanation and his statement is purely on baseless personal opinion.

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Yep.

Well not quite baseless. All of the plants I am running now are clones. I have run them 3 times before. I have the same tent, ventilation system, nutrients, medium and lights. The only thing that has differed is the amount of veg time went up by a factor of 3(ish). So based on that it is my opinion that allowing the plants more veg time might be beneficial. I am not claiming that it is scientific fact.

If I planted a tomato plant and forced it to flower and fruit too early would it produce as much one that has been left to mature naturally?

As my opinion is so wrong, can you tell me why veg time won't make any difference? Because if it doesn't make any difference on that basis I could plant a seed, let it grow to the first internode, flip it to flower and expect the same results as if it had grown for say 8 weeks.

speedwell68 said:

Yep.

Well not quite baseless. All of the plants I am running now are clones. I have run them 3 times before. I have the same tent, ventilation system, nutrients, medium and lights. The only thing that has differed is the amount of veg time went up by a factor of 3(ish). So based on that it is my opinion that allowing the plants more veg time might be beneficial. I am not claiming that it is scientific fact.

If I planted a tomato plant and forced it to flower and fruit too early would it produce as much one that has been left to mature naturally?

As my opinion is so wrong, can you tell me why veg time won't make any difference? Because if it doesn't make any difference on that basis I could plant a seed, let it grow to the first internode, flip it to flower and expect the same results as if it had grown for say 8 weeks. I have also flowered from seed and ended up with five ft plant.

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Nope but they should be allowed to express themselves. It shows the plants maturing, lve had big trees from 6, or 7 months of veg and dont veg anymore than have to for indoors. Ill take outdoor for the quantity. Indoor for quality.

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But if you keep them small you lose yield which is one if your arguments for vegging longer wasn't it?

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Keeping the small does lose yield on a per plant basis. Which is why I have a dozen very small plants to make up for it. I have 1.2m2 space, I am growing in about 1m2 of that space. I can grow a single massive plant with hundreds of heads yielding say 500g and have one variety to smoke or I can grow a dozen plants, keep them small, only have a few heads on each plant and still get around 500g of weed, but in multiple varieties.

I usually let me plant veg for around 8 - 10 weeks from seed/cloning, with this batch I left them be in the veg tent for 6 months because I did a couple of runs of Autos, just to see what they were like. These plants got big and lanky. I potted them up into some fresh compost (a mix of peat, composted green waste, calcified seaweed and perlite), pruned them to a more manageable size and vegged them for a couple of weeks more to let them recover from the pruning. Then flipped them to 12/12. The visual difference is massive. I have done all of these clones at least 3 times before and none of them have ever performed this well. In veg they are fed on Blattwerk Pure, with a weekly dose of Epsom Salts. In flower they fed on Blattwerk Pure @ 50% for the first 2 weeks and then Oldtimers Plant Magic Bloom, PK 4/8 and Epsom Salts. roughly following the Oldtimers feed schedule.

They haven't harvested yet, at least another 10 - 14 days to go. Then they will need at least 6 weeks drying/curing before I even think about weighing them. It might be my imagination and I get no more than usual and it smokes just the same. Or it might be that they give me more and it'll be nicer than usual. Based purely on visual data and opinion I think the latter will be the case.

I have no scientific explanation for my improved results or any measured data to back up my claims. The only thing I can put it down to is a longer veg time.

Bigger roots bigger fruits

speedwell68 said:

If I planted a tomato plant and forced it to flower and fruit too early would it produce as much one that has been left to mature naturally?

As my opinion is so wrong, can you tell me why veg time won't make any difference? Because if it doesn't make any difference on that basis I could plant a seed, let it grow to the first internode, flip it to flower and expect the same results as if it had grown for say 8 weeks.

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I don't know what your fixation on tomatoes is all about, cannabis aren't tomatoes.

First question. You are talking about yield. A smaller plant will yield less than a larger plant. I wasn't debating you on that fact. In fact my first question specifically excluded that point. "What exactly is better other than size?"

Second question. Veg time doesn't effect resin and terpene production because they are not related. One has nothing to do with another. Resin and terpenes production are based on genetics. You can't simply veg longer and get more of them than you normally would. If you could than those seeking more of each would routinely veg longer. You don't see people vegging longer other than for larger yields per plant.

Lastly you might want to read up on the basics of cannabis plants. You can't grow a plant to one internode and flower it. They have to be sexually mature before they will flower. Also again you are trying to compare yield...

twentyeight.threefive said:

I don't know what your fixation on tomatoes is all about, cannabis aren't tomatoes.

First question. You are talking about yield. A smaller plant will yield less than a larger plant. I wasn't debating you on that fact. In fact my first question specifically excluded that point. "What exactly is better other than size?"

Second question. Veg time doesn't effect resin and terpene production because they are not related. One has nothing to do with another. Resin and terpenes production are based on genetics. You can't simply veg longer and get more of them than you normally would. If you could than those seeking more of each would routinely veg longer. You don't see people vegging longer other than for larger yields per plant.

Lastly you might want to read up on the basics of cannabis plants. You can't grow a plant to one internode and flower it. They have to be sexually mature before they will flower. Also again you are trying to compare yield...

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Dead on

twentyeight.threefive said:

I don't know what your fixation on tomatoes is all about, cannabis aren't tomatoes.

First question. You are talking about yield. A smaller plant will yield less than a larger plant. I wasn't debating you on that fact. In fact my first question specifically excluded that point. "What exactly is better other than size?"

Second question. Veg time doesn't effect resin and terpene production because they are not related. One has nothing to do with another. Resin and terpenes production are based on genetics. You can't simply veg longer and get more of them than you normally would. If you could than those seeking more of each would routinely veg longer. You don't see people vegging longer other than for larger yields per plant.

Lastly you might want to read up on the basics of cannabis plants. You can't grow a plant to one internode and flower it. They have to be sexually mature before they will flower. Also again you are trying to compare yield...

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A plant is a plant. You have claimed a lot of facts with no backup information. I have only expressed an opinion based on observation, I have claimed nothing to be a fact, pure speculation. You have also contradicted yourself. So why doesn't veg time have a bearing on resin and terpene production?