Lost In A Sea Of Nutrients? Advanced Nutrients, Canna etc.

lilman said:

Ive grown with AN for a while and i like it. I dont use there whole line and i dont know anybody who does. In bloom I use sensi bloom, big bud, overdrive and bud candy. I grow endless sky from dr Greenthumb its a good potent indica. I grow in a 4x4 tent with 9 pots and an air cooled 600hps. I veg and train for 1 month and bloom for 10 weeks. I get 22 to 24 ozs of deadly potent bud. Ive never had anything other then fantastic reviews about my pot no chemical taste at all. The first run i used bud candy..everybody commented on taste and i mean EVERYBODY !! I dont see that AN is that expensive... sensi bloom $40, big bud $40, overdrive $50, bud candy $35 = $165 now divide that by 2 because i get 2 crops out of those nutes so my whopping grand total per grow is $82. Thats right $82 to grow 24 Ozs of potent bud..if u were selling it that would be between $4000 to $5000 on a $82 dollar investment and in my books thats good fucking times lol.

peace: Te lilman

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I tend to get 3-4 OZ per plant using nothing but soil and soil additives and ALL my buds are so resin/trichome covered they look like mini disco balls when held in the light! Not to mention the taste and smell. Like Campbells soup thier Mmm Mmm Good! Thanks Subcool for the fantastic soil recipe! So you tell me 3-4 Oz per plant using no nutes as in $0.00 Free99! OR 2.5 Oz per plant spending and extra $82.00 per grow. I don't know about you but I'd rather spend less money by not buying nutes and getting more harvested bud vs spending money on nutes and getting less harvested bud. I can't say I have never used nutes because I have. I have used Jacks Classic and Dyna Gro both work very well and are more complete than cannabis specific nutes and ten times cheaper. The only reason I stopped using them is why use them if I'm getting the same results without them?

homebrewer said:

Certain nutrient brands are more pH stable than others. I've also found that high feeding levels (more food than the plants need) is often the culprit for unstable pH.

DG also makes a 3-12-6 bloom formula and when mixed with the grow, it's a lot easier to achieve ideal ratios while keeping plants green and healthy until harvest day.

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Yeah, I'm gonna give it Dyna a go again but none of the grow shops carry it!

The Hydroplex was interesting to me in that it's claiming to deliver a myriad of amino acids that the plant can metabolize.

Here's a link that describes the Casparian strip within the root and it's role in nutrition uptake.
http://www.valhallaseeds.com/forums/showthread.php?463-Carbohydrates-and-Amino-Acid-Products

homebrewer said:

I love the attention to detail but in regards to the number crunching above , you just don't need to do it. If your base nutes are slowly creating deficiencies in your plants and you're feeding at appropriate levels, then properly identifying those deficiencies and adding cal/mag or backing off the phosphorus or whatever the solution may be....is your solution. As much as I wish plant health was quantifiable by numbers, it really isn't. Developing that green thumb and being able to read your girls is much more useful than a calculator.

I recommend a certain brand and people then like to say i'm a broken record or work for the company, . PM me and i'll give you some details.

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My desire is to grow a plant start to finish without it losing ANY leaves. I admit getting good at diagnosing deficiencies is an extremely useful skill and the calculator maybe not so much.

Yet, increasing my understanding in all domains does include getting good with a calculator. Instead of reproducing the wheel, planning and making choices based on all the research that has gone on prior makes the most sense to me.

rosecitypapa said:

Yeah, I'm gonna give it Dyna a go again but none of the grow shops carry it!

The Hydroplex was interesting to me in that it's claiming to deliver a myriad of amino acids that the plant can metabolize.

Here's a link that describes the Casparian strip within the root and it's role in nutrition uptake.
http://www.valhallaseeds.com/forums/showthread.php?463-Carbohydrates-and-Amino-Acid-Products





My desire is to grow a plant start to finish without it losing ANY leaves. I admit getting good at diagnosing deficiencies is an extremely useful skill and the calculator maybe not so much.

Yet, increasing my understanding in all domains does include getting good with a calculator. Instead of reproducing the wheel, planning and making choices based on all the research that has gone on prior makes the most sense to me.

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Hydroplex is good stuff, I've used it plenty in the past always with great results. I'm not using it this go around, but I always liked it.

I had my issues early into my grow with AN. But in retrospect I'm sure it was more my ignorance about growing and how nutrients work, as opposed to "over marketing or "too much of a product mix" on the part of AN. If anyone has gone through this thread you'd even see that i was at the point of wanting to change in the middle of this grow. But when i look at the price ( which isn't that much more (IF ANY) than the other brands in my region. On top of that once i figured out how to baseline my reservoirs for the feeding week, how to you my EC meter "effectively", and followed a strict feeding schedule, everything ith my grow went fine. Outside of the fact that i'd done something wrong early on which really hurt my grow. I am a total hobbyist so I'm really not going too deep into my ratio's. I appreciate the fact that the pH perfect works well for my water which is @ 6.7-7.0 pH. In my next grow I'll really be able to tell how good or bad AN performs since I will have had one grow under my belt. my system is solid, and I'm surely not in a rush after harvesting 139.3g/6.82oz and another 132 worth of shake for H.O.

And as lilman said earlier. i only use the base line (Sensi A&B -B-52-Root Juice-for Veg)-(Sensi A&B-B-52-Bud Candy & big Bud for Flowering)


Pure...

@operator:
Well are you less confused now?? lol
Man, just use whatever fits your personality. If your a micro manager then maybe you'd like a brand with 15 additives going in one reservoir. If your lazy or "busy"... then maybe you want to start with a three part basic + a bloom additive. One guy on riu who ive come to respect apparently only uses miracle grow, and he grows 15 ft tall trees! So don;t get confused. They all work. To what extent is the only difference. Unfortunately this is a question that can only be answered by experimenting,

im confused...you think it was the miricle grow that made it 15 foot tall.???

Medi 1 said:

im confused...you think it was the miricle grow that made it 15 foot tall.???

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Nah. It was most likely a combination of good feeding practices, good soil, good water, experience & genetics. Whatever nutes you choose, make sure you follow the feeding instructions to a tee. Also, you should really look into getting a ph & ppm/TDS meter. The ppm meter will help you measure the strength of the nutrients your giving them, and the ph meter will allow you to make sure those nutrients are viable to your plant. Whether you choose miracle grow or advanced nutrients or anything else, you'll be ok.
One caveat emptor, If you decide to use coco coir as a medium there are certain nutritional issues you'll need to address. There are special nutes you will have to buy.

ok, how bout the hight had nothing to do with any of what you posted,.thats just how tall cannabis can grow outdoors. and if it was indoor it was just longer veg time but i dont know anyone that usualy has this tall of a cieling to get that tall and still have lights and more above them.,
oh and the special nute for coco is a crock saleman pitch...all they need is thew use of cal each time as we dont need it in other medium. it helps in other mediums but its essential in coco.
i just thought it was funny seeing the way it was typed that mg was responsible for the hight of a plant. oh and as a nute manufacuring co here, im saying also you dont need to follow any directions to a "T" and i sure wouldnt make my patients suffer having to smoke something with mg in it, it was made for tomatoes not cannabis. they use the cheepest sources of nutes.

Medi 1 said:

ok, how bout the hight had nothing to do with any of what you posted,.thats just how tall cannabis can grow outdoors. and if it was indoor it was just longer veg time but i dont know anyone that usualy has this tall of a cieling to get that tall and still have lights and more above them.,
oh and the special nute for coco is a crock saleman pitch...all they need is thew use of cal each time as we dont need it in other medium. it helps in other mediums but its essential in coco.
i just thought it was funny seeing the way it was typed that mg was responsible for the hight of a plant. oh and as a nute manufacuring co here, im saying also you dont need to follow any directions to a "T" and i sure wouldnt make my patients suffer having to smoke something with mg in it, it was made for tomatoes not cannabis. they use the cheepest sources of nutes.

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You do have to adjust your ratio's when using coco. Not only do you need to supplement with cal mag, but you need to adjust for the high levels of potassium that coco coir contains. For example, with Canna Coco A+B you use the same base nutrient straight through both veg and flower.

Medi 1 said:

ok, how bout the hight had nothing to do with any of what you posted,.thats just how tall cannabis can grow outdoors. and if it was indoor it was just longer veg time but i dont know anyone that usualy has this tall of a cieling to get that tall and still have lights and more above them.,
oh and the special nute for coco is a crock saleman pitch...all they need is thew use of cal each time as we dont need it in other medium. it helps in other mediums but its essential in coco.
i just thought it was funny seeing the way it was typed that mg was responsible for the hight of a plant. oh and as a nute manufacuring co here, im saying also you dont need to follow any directions to a "T" and i sure wouldnt make my patients suffer having to smoke something with mg in it, it was made for tomatoes not cannabis. they use the cheepest sources of nutes.

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Who asked you?
haha jk

I didn't say that mg and cal were responsible for the hight. And if you don't think that quality water and soil, coupled with good feeding practice and experience directly impacts the health and vigor of a plant, then well, your lost pal. I mean who would argue with that. That shits fundamental. If you can read, I suggest jorge cervantes' grower's bible. It's a good place for nubes to start. And cannabis need mg and cal too. Not as much as tomatoes, but it does need it.

Beansly said:

Who asked you?
haha jk

I didn't say that mg and cal were responsible for the hight. And if you don't think that quality water and soil, coupled with good feeding practice and experience directly impacts the health and vigor of a plant, then well, your lost pal. I mean who would argue with that. That shits fundamental. If you can read, I suggest jorge cervantes' grower's bible. It's a good place for nubes to start. And cannabis need mg and cal too. Not as much as tomatoes, but it does need it.

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While in most of this I agree with you I believe it was Miracle Grow he was referring to not mag cal.....nevermind him...He knows EVERYTHING!

Namaste'

holly fuk kids...i was quoted so ya i assumed i was being talked to...missed that i see kids.

since when does coco have anything in it. thatsw the whole feature of it that it has nothing and is ph nutral. buy a better source if say cause it shouldnt have anything in it.

i know i know more than you kids that forsure. and dont have a snotty nosed attitude always insulting others trying to show some truths that the net has been spilling for years. and nothing was said on vigour, all was said it was 15 foot tall...anyone can grow a sativa and not even feed it and get 15 foot outdoor.,dont make it good. and now i see why confused. no offence but cerventes isnt a grower...he writes books and is owned by high times...sell out. bad info..old info...but read n think what ya want

Medi 1 said:

holly fuk kids...i was quoted so ya i assumed i was being talked to...missed that i see kids.

since when does coco have anything in it. thatsw the whole feature of it that it has nothing and is ph nutral. buy a better source if say cause it shouldnt have anything in it.

i know i know more than you kids that forsure. and dont have a snotty nosed attitude always insulting others trying to show some truths that the net has been spilling for years. and nothing was said on vigour, all was said it was 15 foot tall...anyone can grow a sativa and not even feed it and get 15 foot outdoor.,dont make it good. and now i see why confused. no offence but cerventes isnt a grower...he writes books and is owned by high times...sell out. bad info..old info...but read n think what ya want

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Coco fiber naturally contains potassium, and tends to bind up calcium and magnesium (especially Mg). It just does, that is truth. Why do you think Canna makes one formula for both grow and bloom?

more sales...we make nbutes and im telling ytou its all the same...ok sure theres maybe diff ratios but its not needed...realy, im not trying to sell shit here. tryin to help save some guys some dough. our coco has nothing in it./ like i said...quality

ya why would they use 1 ratiuo for veg and bloom when the plants needs are diff for each stage. kinda shows the answer right there. our shop cant even sell that canna stuff, we toss in garbage more than we sell cause it just sits on the shelf. do you have a link to the ingredients of the brand of coco your reffering to. from what i know salt content is about the main concern in choosing a coco


ya i just mesaged our nutrient guy and he agrees...a good quality coco has nothing and low salt content....said some may contain a trace amount from a bi product from not being a sterile envronment when making it

Medi 1 said:

more sales...we make nbutes and im telling ytou its all the same...ok sure theres maybe diff ratios but its not needed...realy, im not trying to sell shit here. tryin to help save some guys some dough. our coco has nothing in it./ like i said...quality

ya why would they use 1 ratiuo for veg and bloom when the plants needs are diff for each stage. kinda shows the answer right there. our shop cant even sell that canna stuff, we toss in garbage more than we sell cause it just sits on the shelf. do you have a link to the ingredients of the brand of coco your reffering to. from what i know salt content is about the main concern in choosing a coco


ya i just mesaged our nutrient guy and he agrees...a good quality coco has nothing and low salt content....said some may contain a trace amount from a bi product from not being a sterile envronment when making it

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The potassium is not a freakin ingredient, man, it just naturally contains potassium. It's not added to it. You aren't doing yourself any favors here...

Medi 1 said:

more sales...we make nbutes and im telling ytou its all the same...ok sure theres maybe diff ratios but its not needed...realy, im not trying to sell shit here. tryin to help save some guys some dough. our coco has nothing in it./ like i said...quality

ya why would they use 1 ratiuo for veg and bloom when the plants needs are diff for each stage. kinda shows the answer right there. our shop cant even sell that canna stuff, we toss in garbage more than we sell cause it just sits on the shelf. do you have a link to the ingredients of the brand of coco your reffering to. from what i know salt content is about the main concern in choosing a coco


ya i just mesaged our nutrient guy and he agrees...a good quality coco has nothing and low salt content....said some may contain a trace amount from a bi product from not being a sterile envronment when making it

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Dude you just think you know it all when it is obvious you dont....so go on and preach all you want...but god is dead...and you did not assume the position...well not that one anyways

And fyi I am 46 so not a kid...probably grew my first outdoors grow before you were born....I agree with you about Jorge....but you fit into the same category...A whore for green planet...at least Jorge' sold out for real money...not scrapings like you

Namaste'

you sound more like you have sometyhing personal against me...or the company, and no your not older than i am. i was just talking that way because it lookied like the attitude of a kid. and i not once have claimed to be mr know it all...thats your words

anyways i wanted to come back to say found out more info and yes i was wrong. it does have a high amount of k in coco. i appologize for the wrong info but realy thought it was plain. dont know why some need to get shit mouth when discussing products or whatever it is,....just show the info instead of trying to be-little... anyways just wanted to correct the info

Medi 1 said:

you sound more like you have sometyhing personal against me...or the company, and no your not older than i am. i was just talking that way because it lookied like the attitude of a kid. and i not once have claimed to be mr know it all...thats your words

anyways i wanted to come back to say found out more info and yes i was wrong. it does have a high amount of k in coco. i appologize for the wrong info but realy thought it was plain. dont know why some need to get shit mouth when discussing products or whatever it is,....just show the info instead of trying to be-little... anyways just wanted to correct the info

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It is the linguistics you chose which make you to appear to think you know it all and everyone else is wrong...I commend you on admitting your error; that is a big nice pleasant and welcomed change in your manner.

I do not know you and therefore it can not be personal...I was highly interested in green planet as their line seems reasonable...Your past demeanor had turned me away from that interest...But in this new light and your finally expressed humility I will reconsider

I do not doubt you nor your growing skills as I have witnessed your postings of both outdoors and indoors and they speak volumes of your skills. Awesome looking grows there dude.

I apologize for reverting to unbecoming vernacular to address the previous things which annoyed me.


Maybe if you work on your delivery and the linguistics you chose to share your knowledge with, it will be well received rather than giving the reader a feeling of being inferior. I would really enjoy starting our communications on a new foot with mutual respect and then we can both grow ourselves as well as some of the finest cannabis.....deal?


Namaste'

Medi 1 said:

you sound more like you have sometyhing personal against me...or the company, and no your not older than i am. i was just talking that way because it lookied like the attitude of a kid. and i not once have claimed to be mr know it all...thats your words

anyways i wanted to come back to say found out more info and yes i was wrong. it does have a high amount of k in coco. i appologize for the wrong info but realy thought it was plain. dont know why some need to get shit mouth when discussing products or whatever it is,....just show the info instead of trying to be-little... anyways just wanted to correct the info

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While yes, that is cool that you'd admit that your wrong, how could someone who supposedly owns a nutrient company not know that. I mean, im just a kid growing weed in his closet who reads books by sell-outs who don't grow, but I knew that..

i dont own shit. never said i did either. and what does making a nutrient have to do with how coco grows...we dont ad coco to nutes....and ive only touched a bit on using it myself. i dont like it personaly. i know itas decent medeium but not for my self.

@illumination...ya i get it. sometimes its hard to keep polite when all you get is kids that grew 1 crop and did ok think they know it all and tell you super bad shit all day long...not saying this is you but there is a huge amount of that on this forum being there are alot of new guys here that read books n think its the only way to do things./..unfortunate them books are from the 70`s and 80`s for the most part so its old outdated info...and i hate personal attacks....ive moved on.