slipperyP
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I don't know how u could test this....Ive seen clones from the same plant perform differently. It just seams like a clone should be a copy therefore I don't see were deterioration fits in.
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simpsonsampson420
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the only way to test it would be to grow clones from the same plant over and over and over and keep data for the grows and see what happens.. the only thing i could think might cause this is if somehow the plant can age or something through the clones... like each clone represents another generation that is "older" than the previous one.. and like most things as they age, they start to deteriorate and break down... that would be the only thing i could think of.. its not the genetics that does.. its the plant its self... but i imagine it would take many many years to see this..
slipperyP
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Ive never seen testing done...Im sure its available somewhere. Maybe not with weed but with another plant.
I took 2 clones off the same mother...one rooted slow and one fast. The two plants have different growth patterns all the way through till I finally gave the small one away. These are the ones that make it dificult to do a study one it.
simpsonsampson420
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it is werid how different clones can act from the same mother plant... i cant figure out how identical genetics can grow differently... maybe MJ contains genetics that can mutate themselves?? or some strains have mutating genetics?? hell i dont know enough about any of it to really be able to say anything.. i just go with whatever i get.. it makes me respect breeders more tho.. they have to put hella time in getting their genetics to be stable and reliable....
slipperyP
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I think it could have to do with a hormone deficency or something. Some areas have a better concentration and grow better others dont. Im saying this makes degradation of clones harder to test, you would need multiple cuts and multiple generations, similar nutrient regimns...etc
That is why I want to see some facts from somwhere on this?
That is why I want to see some facts from somwhere on this?
simpsonsampson420
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yeah.. there are a lot of factors that play into it... i wonder if there is any literature anywhere on this?? probably somewhere...
slipperyP
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Ive been away from the CPU and haven't looked...I was hopping someone else would know the answer..lol
The flower room always looks bare after you chop. I only have 3 in there now instead of 4. I had the one male I had to pull and didn't have a replacement for it.
1. The plan is to run this crop out.
2. Get a clone mother of each strain going.
3. Choose 12 to 15 plants to flower.
4. At week 4 add 12 to 15 more plants and 1000 watt HPS.
This will get me back on my perpetual harvest every month.
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simpsonsampson420
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it really does look different in the garden after a chop.. so empty and sad.. i cant wait to get on a perpetual so its always full with something at least.. sounds like a good plan you got going bro!
tilemaster
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those look really good..wut are the big ones in bacck?
slipperyP
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Thanks....The ones in the back are a PCT and a Blueberry, theres also a Sour D and a grunk that should be ready for flower in a month. These strains growth blows away my old strain, it not even close.
those look really good..wut are the big ones in bacck?
tilemaster
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ya i didnt even think those large 1's were from the same batch there so big.... damn..glad u got such good rooting results... there taking off!
slipperyP
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I need to top a couple of them and start preparing them to become clone mothers, I would rather have some ready for the bud room so I don't get a hiccup in the perpetual cycle.
There had been daily growth...I think while they were rooting they kept growing? The little method with the fish aquarium works well, plus the stuff i used to build it was just crap that was in the way.
The aquarium had fish till one day I busted the boys playing with the sharks..lol I don't give a shit about a fish, I only kinda like the dog and he's loyal as a mother fucker. Guess im not really an animal person, I think its good for the kids to grow up with a dog....maybe he'll grow on me....been 2 years...how long does it take to get attached to your pets?
The plexiglass on the top is for these nice little watter bottles, Ive been thinking of adding a DIY of this. I almost drank the water instead of the water im slurpping on this morning....That would have been some bullshit since its been in there for years. I bought this one in a head shop and its saved my ass...simple to build.
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tilemaster
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.. its funny how much afgoo, grunk and pct in being precured in bozeman area.. im glad i got a hold of the grunk /pct.. i just happened along the goo from a bag seed...and finally got a good mom.. let me know next time ur down on the goo.. ezcloner in.. btw great advice with the thc f. they do come to bozeman.. any ways ya i dont intend on dropping these strains good producers, and if i can sort thru my clones and find the best of the best, and re clone those, ya ya is all i can say
slipperyP
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Its all comming along nicely....Im glad the weed scene is starting to change for the better, it used to be much worse. Im glad the THC F was able to give you a hand. Im going to be triying to get some people prescreened next week....Did you get the new ezcloner going?
I'll let you know the next time I roll through your hood for sure. I should have stayed and smoked more last time, I wanted to get those cuttings into soil right away though.
I spent the day setting up one of my paitents with a nice little grow room for 6 plants...We put in a 400watt conversion with a vented hood, it came out sweet, i wish I could have talked him into the 600 watt for a few more bucks....O well I was just looking out for his best intrests.
tilemaster
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for some ...the idea of big lights and copious amounts just aint for them.. a little effecient op appeals to some.. who knows.. glad u could pass your help along, sometimes thats all the motivation an outsider might need to be our next best and biggest advocate and fellow grower. so right the fuck on.
ya let me know when u come thru ... im working like i say on some others ..the afgoo..and im bringing back the hdf, since it won the denseness/taste/smell test like a olympic champ. whereas my strain of big bud only won the special olympics and finished 4thlol. the ecsd leaf structure is phenominal , they look so healthy, yet they bud slower than the bluesberry, grunk, hdf. the blueberry/grunk/pct are extrememly fast budders from clone. they loook like week 4-5 at 3 ya know. its crazy to think outta a couple of good strains theres 100's im so new too. 100's . it makes me go into a frenzy thinking about it., and some of the superior genitics some breeders have , that i am ignorant too. sometimes i catch a glimpse of strains like this on urban grower, where u see its structure 6-7 weeks into bud and your jaw dropps..ahhh gonna get there soon enough
ya let me know when u come thru ... im working like i say on some others ..the afgoo..and im bringing back the hdf, since it won the denseness/taste/smell test like a olympic champ. whereas my strain of big bud only won the special olympics and finished 4thlol. the ecsd leaf structure is phenominal , they look so healthy, yet they bud slower than the bluesberry, grunk, hdf. the blueberry/grunk/pct are extrememly fast budders from clone. they loook like week 4-5 at 3 ya know. its crazy to think outta a couple of good strains theres 100's im so new too. 100's . it makes me go into a frenzy thinking about it., and some of the superior genitics some breeders have , that i am ignorant too. sometimes i catch a glimpse of strains like this on urban grower, where u see its structure 6-7 weeks into bud and your jaw dropps..ahhh gonna get there soon enough
slipperyP
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I love to watch the urban grower...were gonna get to that level....They have had more time and money invested...all those grows are equiped with 3 fan chillers 10 thousand watters, dehumidifer, co2, advanced nutrients, plus superior genetics. Its gonna take some time and cash but well get to the level.
That HDF looked pretty damn sweet...I love a good dense bud, I see or hear of a new strain daily on RUI Is impossible to see all of them
tilemaster
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i keep forgetting thats a pic of the h.d.f. in my lower sig pic. ya i love that shit. i suppose i love it all.
simpsonsampson420
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think advanced nutes are better than general hydroponics?? ive often wondered about nutes.. i know they greatly affect the plant.. but i wonder if the grower, who can control the amounts and shit, has more to play than the nutes themselves?? know what i mean?? been looking into A.N and just dont know if its worth changing...
slipperyP
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IDK...Could be a scam...I have been happy with organic tea...Very cheap and definatly effective.
One thing that I like about AN is that they are for growing weed...I think that gives them and edge....I don't know a damn thing about general hydroponics.
I cant get advanced or general hydro where I live at. I think if your growing a big garden if the advanced is an extra eighth oz per plant then its worth the cost. AN may just have better marketing?
If there werent plant numbers I would run an experiment...
Here a video of a nutrient challenge I found on youtube....
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I dont know if i got it nested here is the full link
tilemaster
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im using an.. i dont know.. i think 3 part fertilizers are the best..where the micro is seperate from the bloom ,and so forth.. so General /AN/Foxfarm and many others all make a 3 part...