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twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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ttystikk said:
ELECTRIC CARS.

...And for the wags who'll doubtless come along and whine about simply transferring the pollution to power plants, notice how many coal fired producers are getting shut down in favor of cleaner and more efficient alternatives. And wind. And solar.
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.....and nuclear. Don't forget the only economically viable possibility. If the prices are right, electric cars will work.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Flaming Pie said:
Right. Gotta think long term.

Yes invest and study in clean energy. We still need to stop buying oil from countries sponsoring terrorism.

Refine our own oil and keep raising air quality standards in cars. We already have laws to regulate the efficiency of mpg. I believe they had 20-30 years to get to 50mpg with the minimum allowed raising each year?
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Not gonna happen. Trump has already talked about repealing the emissions standards for auto makers. Remember that meeting between Trump and Ford, where Trump pretended that he talked Ford out of relocating a manufacturing plant to Mexico? That meeting was actually about rolling back emmisions standards for vehicles.

If you care about the environment at all, you're not gonna like what Trump has in store.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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UncleBuck said:
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Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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st0wandgrow said:
Not gonna happen. Trump has already talked about repealing the emissions standards for auto makers. Remember that meeting between Trump and Ford, where Trump pretended that he talked Ford out of relocating a manufacturing plant to Mexico? That meeting was actually about rolling back emmisions standards for vehicles.

If you care about the environment at all, you're not gonna like what Trump has in store.
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We will see. I dont believe co2 is a pollutant. It has gone up much more in our industrial age but yet the temp increase and sea height level increase is constant each year.

Clean air, water, and efficiency are my main concerns. Plants love the extra co2.

If people really care about co2 coming out of cars then invent a filter that catches it?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Flaming Pie said:
We will see. I dont believe co2 is a pollutant.

Clean air, water, and efficiency are my main concerns.
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The VAST majority of scientists who study this disagree. And if clean air is a concern for you, then emissions from cars should be on your radar. Ever been to L.A.? The air is like soup from all of the pollutants created by combustion engines.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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st0wandgrow said:
The VAST majority of scientists who study this disagree. And if clean air is a concern for you, then emissions from cars should be on your radar. Ever been to L.A.? The air is like soup from all of the pollutants created by combustion engines.
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Like soup? Is china like a steak? Are we talking the density of the air or are you saying it is so thick with pollution it is making people sick?

;)
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Flaming Pie said:
We will see. I dont believe co2 is a pollutant. It has gone up much more in our industrial age but yet the temp increase and sea height level increase is constant each year.

Clean air, water, and efficiency are my main concerns. Plants love the extra co2.

If people really care about co2 coming out of cars then invent a filter that catches it?
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plants love electrolytes. Gatorade has electrolytes. plants love Gatorade :dunce:
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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st0wandgrow said:
The VAST majority of scientists who study this disagree. And if clean air is a concern for you, then emissions from cars should be on your radar. Ever been to L.A.? The air is like soup from all of the pollutants created by combustion engines.
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Pie don't need no scientists. They won't even tell her how fucking magnets work.


What a piece of work she is.
 
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