Maricopa county attorney going after anyone growing.

ru4r34l said:

Not quite, there are many more non-violent pot smokers rotting in prison then alcoholics.

regards,

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Not to argue, but I've been asking for some time, for information on people who are actually serving prison sentences for a first offense of marijuana possession with no aggravating factors. I don't get the impression that it's very common.

UnderBelly said:

Not to argue, but I've been asking for some time, for information on people who are actually serving prison sentences for a first offense of marijuana possession with no aggravating factors. I don't get the impression that it's very common.

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You would be surprised! Usually a first time felon in AZ has an opportunity to participate in a Diversion Program to minimize the felony or diss it all together after completing a few court orders (for marijuana - drug eduction & fines - no restitution - fines are unwarrantable if not paid and the court will send them to collections and FUCK your credit up, kind of odd mates)

Got to love the 85% Surcharge in AZ!!! Where is this money going?

They say the best way to get an understanding of a city is to visit their Downtown area... Go to Downtown Phoenix, what do you see? Courts, Police, Jails, And more courts being built!!! HA

The unofficial Motto of AZ has always been - "Come on vacation leave on probation"

HB DC said:

You would be surprised! Usually a first time felon in AZ has an opportunity to participate in a Diversion Program to minimize the felony or diss it all together after completing a few court orders (for marijuana - drug eduction & fines - no restitution - fines are unwarrantable if not paid and the court will send them to collections and FUCK your credit up, kind of odd mates)

Got to love the 85% Surcharge in AZ!!! Where is this money going?

They say the best way to get an understanding of a city is to visit their Downtown area... Go to Downtown Phoenix, what do you see? Courts, Police, Jails, And more courts being built!!! HA

The unofficial Motto of AZ has always been - "Come on vacation leave on probation"

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You are so right

On FOX news this morning, they did a story about a group is trying to get Bill Montgomery recalled. Looks like it is Alan Sobol that has gotten 60k signatures but 200k are needed to recall him. Bill says "I'm sure you can find an attorney to follow the law, but I'm not that attorney."

KAL EL said:

On FOX news this morning, they did a story about a group is trying to get Bill Montgomery recalled. Looks like it is Alan Sobol that has gotten 60k signatures but 200k are needed to recall him. Bill says "I'm sure you can find an attorney to follow the law, but I'm not that attorney."

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FOX and Sobol together, oh god.
Bill admits to power abuse himself.
Some higher officials should have an obligation to step in and check this guy, where are the FEDS now?


Montgomery says' "what's popular is not always right and what's right is not popular.
Written law should not be popularity contest mr. D bag, ITS THE LAW.
If he doesnt like it, too bad, you had a chance to vote like everyone else..

He was voted into his position by popularity, but since votes and popularity don't signify what is right, his position has no validity, according to his own argument.

Chronicseeker said:

FOX and Sobol together, oh god.
Bill admits to power abuse himself.
Some higher officials should have an obligation to step in and check this guy, where are the FEDS now?


Montgomery says' "what's popular is not always right and what's right is not popular.
Written law should not be popularity contest mr. D bag, ITS THE LAW.
If he doesnt like it, too bad, you had a chance to vote like everyone else..

He was voted into his position by popularity, but since votes and popularity don't signify what is right, his position has no validity, according to his own argument.

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Why do you believe this man is working for citizens?

His job is to bring charges against citizens not let them go!! And the law is some where in the middle!

HB DC said:

Why do you believe this man is working for citizens?

His job is to bring charges against citizens not let them go!! And the law is some where in the middle!

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I dont think he is for the citizens in anyway...
Actually, I believe his agenda is entirely politically motivated...
New presidential election coming soon, all the AZ weasels are hoping the Repubs win so they can attempt to advance their career.
Eric Holder, Fast and Furious, ring any bells...
Bill and Tom want this job, US AG answers to nobody except the president (maybe).

Im sure we have all seen this:
[video=youtube;NY6UTnS6Z-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A[/video]

Romney despises MMJ, even though his wife is the perfect candidate for medical trials but it is against their faith, RED FLAG.
Faith should not run a country, there is a reason we have separation of church and government.
Obama is enforcing raids to get votes.
ITS ALL A POPULARITY GAME and believe it or not MMJ is a big deal this time around...
Maybe if Obama get re-elected he will stand by his original claim of not messing with MMJ states.

Who really knows...

He is working for the Christian Right (includes most Mormons) - his voter base. He is working for those who believe it is acceptable to legislate morality. He is working for the drug cartels. He is working for the HUGE Law Enforcement Lobby. He is working for the interest conflicted privatized prison system.

Do you know that he believes it is OK for AZ to make abortion 100% illegal - which clearly goes against the Federal precedent on this issue. (hypocrisy?)

Do you know that he wants to make obtaining pornography illegal for everyone?

He is a dangerous ideologue - he reminds me of a mini-me Hitler in that Boy Scout outfit (without the charisma and trend-setting mustache)

We all need to vote, we need to tell our friends and family to vote. Voting is our only hope and it’s our duty as Americans.

Gary Johnson for President 2012!

Good Article today on AZcentral.com about the shit heads Horne and Montgomery

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/EJMontini/168660

BeaverHuntr said:

Good Article today on AZcentral.com about the shit heads Horne and Montgomery

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/EJMontini/168660

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Sounds like Horne & Montgomery want NO dispensaries... I have read nothing about abolishing the Medical Marihuana Act itself!!

So shutting down dispensaries may not be such a bad idea!!! By no means will the duo be able to shut down the Arizona Medical Marihuana Act of 2010 but they could shut down the Medical Marihuana Program ran by the AzDHS...

I thought the judge already ruled that the law be implemented. Why can they keep tying this up in court?

http://signon.org/sign/recall-maricopa-county

Sign to recall Bill Montgomery.

Ouch....you guys are killin me.
Sonoran dogs ROCK!
Who cares where the hotties go to school?
Guys like em DUMB anyway. LOLOLOL

Montgomery has publicly stated he does not want to uphold the patient portion of the law he also has requested dhs to stop issuing cards which is stupid in itself if you have actually read the law. Montgomery has come out and said he wants to prosecute minor possession and growing without regard to the amma. The state does have a legal recourse to prevent dispensaries from ever opening. Here is how it would work. Once a prospective dispensary owner is granted a certificate, they have one year from the date of issue to open for operation. Before a prospective dispensary opens, they must be approved by their local zoning authority. Once they have been approved by their local zoning authority, then dhs must inspect heir facility and only once all requirements to operate have been met will the dispensary be granted official state approval to operate. It is this last act which is the legal point which the state clearly opposes the controlled substances act. So there are two main ways the stage will hold this up. Their first offense will be the local zoning authorities. This is most effective for county land and some municipalities. This method has been tested in sun city and brought to court by the dispensary owner and the judge ruled against him, upholding the counties denial of zoning approval. This case sets a legal precedent saying that local zoning authorities may deny dispensary approval. Now that should take care of a number of dispensaries. Now some municipalities or areas may want dispensaries for financial gain or the like. The states second recourse would be to never approve facilities to pass; final inspection or delay the process long enough to stonewall the prospective dispensary so their certificate expires. Oh and there is another little catch, if you are granted a dispensary certificate, and you fail to open in the allotted time, you are barred from applying for another certificate. So what's to stop the state from maintaining this game where they keep granting certificates at 5k a pop and never let you actually open then they say sorry you didn't open the first time so we can't give you a second try. This is a way for the state to make money off the amma but still never hav marijuana. We are all getting royally fucked by the state and I think that the prospective dispensary owners are getting it the worst by far.


PS sorry for the wall of text lol

I hope the MPP and the jerkoffs responsible for the 25 mile bullshit have learned a lesson here. A system with taxes and regulation isn't going to work. Especially in states like AZ, who are filled to the rim with fundamentalist nutbags who will use any means necessary to get their way. If Prop 203 had just decriminalized possession and cultivation for people with a doctors rec, the state couldn't do anything. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if they get away with shit canning the whole thing.

There are only two ways that the state could shit can the whole thing. One is a very carefully crafted ballot initiative which recalls the whole set of statutes. This would take a organized well run campaign and the soonest we could see this on the ballot is in a little over 2 years in 2014 during the interim election. The second way it could be shit canned is if there is a 2/3 majority vote on state legislation repealing the act in both the state house of representatives and the state Senate. Then the governor would have to sign it into law. The second method is less likely because it would force politicians to actually stand up for their beliefs and vote on integrity rather than political expedience and we all know how that one plays out.

The angle they are using is that voters can't approve a law that violates fed law or the constitution. We can decriminalize, but can't specifically state you can do something that is against fed law. So for example, the law can't say "you can grow 12 plants". It can only say something like there would be "no penalty at the state level if you had 12 plants". using that, they hope to get the whole thing declared invalid.

Will it work? I hope not, but it would not surprise me if they're successful. I am hoping it will backfire in their faces and maybe dispensaries will be blocked, but we can continue on the way we have since it passed.

apothecarist said:

The angle they are using is that voters can't approve a law that violates fed law or the constitution. We can decriminalize, but can't specifically state you can do something that is against fed law. So for example, the law can't say "you can grow 12 plants". It can only say something like there would be "no penalty at the state level if you had 12 plants". using that, they hope to get the whole thing declared invalid.

Will it work? I hope not, but it would not surprise me if they're successful. I am hoping it will backfire in their faces and maybe dispensaries will be blocked, but we can continue on the way we have since it passed.

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The People have misunderstood the role that the federal law plays in the state system. The California courts long ago recognized that state courts do not enforce the federal criminal statutes. The State tribunals have no power to punish crimes against the laws of the United States, as such. The same act may, in some instances, be an offense against the laws of both, and it is only as an offense against the State laws that it can be punished by the State, in any event.

People v. Kelly


Recall or Conform Bill - The will of the People is a force to be reasoned with; it has the power to amend, repeal or create new!


The question we shall ask is - Does the Arizona Medical Marijuana Act purport to make legal any conduct prohibited by federal law?

The dispensary portion of AMMA sure does on a commercial level!! Where a patient or caregiver is on a personal consumption level! Dispensaries will interfere with interstate commerce where patients and caregivers will not do such. Dispensaries are not limited to how many plants they may cultivate where patients may cultivate 12 plants!! Since the dispensaries in Arizona will have an impact on the interstate commerce i believe they will never get a chance to open or operate!! Get your 4k back and the AzDHS keeps the other 1k! Pull out now! I see no future for dispensaries in Arizona! Many will agree and many will disagree. Medical Marijuana is here to stay, with or without dispensaries!


Source -
http://www.chrisconrad.com/expert.witness/kha.html



There will be a protest TODAY - MORE INFO

Anyone who has taken a basic constitutional law class would realize the state has no business enforcing federal law. That is one of the reasons why sb1070 was brought to the supreme court because it assigned a federal duty to local law enforcement. The people running this state are disgusting and spineless and they use opposing arguments just to fit their religious ideals.

irieie,

Is the Sun City case you are referring to the White Mountain Health Center case? That case has yet to be resolved although what happens in that case is going to set the precedent going forward. That is the case that Billy Boy is hanging is hat on.