MAYAN Prophecy .

RavenMochi said:
Well that gives me over a solid year to make sure I have a lb of high grade in backup for personal. I'll stay blazed off my ass for those 4 months... :p
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Hell yeah. I want to be trippin and blazing the whole time. Handin out free trips too. Even if the world doesn't shift consciousness because of the time. We'll all be trippin together, and something will happen.
 
Finshaggy said:
I'M being contrarian? I said these are my personal beliefs and there is no point in arguing them. I am not basing that particular post on anything written in science. Your arguing a pointless point.
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I'm not arguing with you. However to hold a belief about the nature of the universe that goes against everything mankind has learned up until this point is definitely contrarian. You have no rational basis for your beliefs except that it makes some sort of sense to you. This is the definition of delusional but based on your numerous other threads, I expect nothing less from you. :)
 
And as a side note, when you say "these are my personal beliefs and there is no point in arguing them" it shows that you are not willing to change your beliefs, even if you are presented with good reason to do so. That's the very definition of "closed minded".




..........hence no possibility of reasonable discourse. I truly hope you open up to other ideas. Fabricating belief, based solely on "gut feeling" is not only counter-productive, but at times dangerous.
 
mindphuk said:
I'm not arguing with you. However to hold a belief about the nature of the universe that goes against everything mankind has learned up until this point is definitely contrarian. You have no rational basis for your beliefs except that it makes some sort of sense to you. This is the definition of delusional but based on your numerous other threads, I expect nothing less from you. :)
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Ok, but I am not being contrarian. Maybe that is contrarian of me. But in this situation I was simply describing things to people who asked. I was not being contrary to anyone. I was co-operating.
 
Stark Raving said:
And as a side note, when you say "these are my personal beliefs and there is no point in arguing them" it shows that you are not willing to change your beliefs, even if you are presented with good reason to do so. That's the very definition of "closed minded".
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I only believe him to be wrong in this instance based on what I can figure out on my own. There is NO REASON for anything to be going through a slower time or going through time slower in the situation presented. All of the images are going the speed of light, your brain is receiving it late though because of how fast oyu are going, so you are seeing a delayed image, AND the light took longer because you were at relative speed too it. It is not as if you could reacch into this image and TRULY effect what happened in it. It is just the light from the actions that were happening. It is not the actions themselves.

If truth is offered to me in discussion I would be willing to change my mind, if what your saying further elaborates on what Einstein thought. But simply telling me I'm wrong is not a way to see me learning, or accepting anything.
 
shaggy, just to be clear, I am referring to the belief in the "proficies" of the Mayan calendar.

I'm not even clear on what you are getting at with the whole light/time thing. (Are you referring to red shift?) Are you familiar with how we use the speed of light to measur distances etc? I would be glad to hear your thoughts, but I'm having a hard time following you. I guess it seems to me that you are making claims based on what you can figure out on your own (which is all good) but you don't really have the knowledge to back it up. Please tell me if I've mis-read you.
 
Stark Raving said:
shaggy, just to be clear, I am referring to the belief in the "proficies" of the Mayan calendar.

I'm not even clear on what you are getting at with the whole light/time thing. (Are you referring to red shift?) Are you familiar with how we use the speed of light to measur distances etc? I would be glad to hear your thoughts, but I'm having a hard time following you. I guess it seems to me that you are making claims based on what you can figure out on your own (which is all good) but you don't really have the knowledge to back it up. Please tell me if I've mis-read you.
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Me and Mindphuk are talking about something way different than the prophocies now. We're talking about my "Problem". I have a slightly different view than Einstein. I forgot how the topic came up, but now he's picking apart what I told him I personally believed and told him it was useless to argue with me about because these are thing I noticed after reading a bunch of shit about Einstein's whole history. So, I'm sorry if it's different from established science, again I didn't mean for it to go along the lines of established science.

You did misread. And I do have the knowledge to back it up. I explained it 2x now.
 
I think he brought it up to argue with me saying "time isn't real, it is a measurement of the earths movement."
 
Time isn't real alone, it is earths movement. We based time off of the different season and the suns location. That's why different people and our ancestors told time differently then we do, yet still have the same time.
 
Finshaggy said:
I think he brought it up to argue with me saying "time isn't real, it is a measurement of the earths movement."
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Which you still haven't answered the question how the earth orbiting the sun has anything to do with the reality of the forward arrow of time except in how humans measure time. If the earth suddenly disappeared from existence or stopped orbiting the sun, would time somehow stop? How do you explain time prior to the formation of the earth and our sun?

I'm not purposely arguing with you but you make all kinds of claims about reality that just doesn't make sense. You can read about Einstein all day long but that doesn't mean that you understand the theories and your description makes it clear you don't. I did offer an explanation about relativity that you promptly ignored.
I'm not even sure what images that you are talking about. I'm discussing the actual movement of time being different at various altitudes -- distances from earth's gravity well. That has nothing to do with perceived images by our brains. This is demonstrated using very precise clocks which has nothing to do with the speed of light, only time. Einstein demonstrated that the speed of light is a constant, it is time that is variable yet somehow you come to the conclusion that time isn't real which is what I'm still trying to understand what you are saying.
 
Hepheastus420 said:
Time isn't real alone, it is earths movement. We based time off of the different season and the suns location. That's why different people and our ancestors told time differently then we do, yet still have the same time.
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Again, how we measure something and the actual existence of that something are two different things. As I pointed out before, I can measure distances using the speed of light or any standard unite and I can measure time by radioactive decay or by the period of a pulsar. The earth's movement has nothing to do with the reality of time or space, it is merely how humans have come to measure these things.
 
mindphuk said:
Again, how we measure something and the actual existence of that something are two different things. As I pointed out before, I can measure distances using the speed of light or any standard unite and I can measure time by radioactive decay or by the period of a pulsar. The earth's movement has nothing to do with the reality of time or space, it is merely how humans have come to measure these things.
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Oh for real? I always thought that we measured the earths movement using time, hmm....
 
mindphuk said:
Which you still haven't answered the question how the earth orbiting the sun has anything to do with the reality of the forward arrow of time except in how humans measure time. If the earth suddenly disappeared from existence or stopped orbiting the sun, would time somehow stop? How do you explain time prior to the formation of the earth and our sun?

I'm not purposely arguing with you but you make all kinds of claims about reality that just doesn't make sense. You can read about Einstein all day long but that doesn't mean that you understand the theories and your description makes it clear you don't. I did offer an explanation about relativity that you promptly ignored.
I'm not even sure what images that you are talking about. I'm discussing the actual movement of time being different at various altitudes -- distances from earth's gravity well. That has nothing to do with perceived images by our brains. This is demonstrated using very precise clocks which has nothing to do with the speed of light, only time. Einstein demonstrated that the speed of light is a constant, it is time that is variable yet somehow you come to the conclusion that time isn't real which is what I'm still trying to understand what you are saying.
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No time can't stop if it doesn't exist. Your talking about something that I consider to be as real as Santa. If Santa disappears, do we still get toys?
 
mindphuk said:
Which you still haven't answered the question how the earth orbiting the sun has anything to do with the reality of the forward arrow of time except in how humans measure time. If the earth suddenly disappeared from existence or stopped orbiting the sun, would time somehow stop? How do you explain time prior to the formation of the earth and our sun?

I'm not purposely arguing with you but you make all kinds of claims about reality that just doesn't make sense. You can read about Einstein all day long but that doesn't mean that you understand the theories and your description makes it clear you don't. I did offer an explanation about relativity that you promptly ignored.
I'm not even sure what images that you are talking about. I'm discussing the actual movement of time being different at various altitudes -- distances from earth's gravity well. That has nothing to do with perceived images by our brains. This is demonstrated using very precise clocks which has nothing to do with the speed of light, only time. Einstein demonstrated that the speed of light is a constant, it is time that is variable yet somehow you come to the conclusion that time isn't real which is what I'm still trying to understand what you are saying.
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And just because the earth moves at different speeds at different altitudes doesn't mean time has to exist.
That just means that there is less surface area the closer in you get. Like a merry-go round.
 
Hepheastus420 said:
Oh for real? I always thought that we measured the earths movement using time, hmm....
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Speed = distance/time

with that said, time is not dependent on the earths movements. Its just something relative for us to you to calculate speed. The world could be reduced to dust tomorrow and time would continue. With the sheer number of stars/planets theirs most certainly other planets with life, would time stop for them if earth turned to dust? Of course not.
 
mindphuk said:
Again, how we measure something and the actual existence of that something are two different things. As I pointed out before, I can measure distances using the speed of light or any standard unite and I can measure time by radioactive decay or by the period of a pulsar. The earth's movement has nothing to do with the reality of time or space, it is merely how humans have come to measure these things.
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Deterioration gives the illusion of time. It does not prove times existence.
 
I have a problem believing time doesn't exist.
definition of time - The indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.

This is something we witness every second, of every day. Generation after generation. Perhaps your misunderstanding what time is?
 
RavenMochi said:
I have a problem believing time doesn't exist.
definition of time - The indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.

This is something we witness every second, of every day. Generation after generation. Perhaps your misunderstanding what time is?
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No, I understand that. But I just believe tha tis space. What I am proposing, is that time is not something we can travel back and forward in, or speed up or slow down, outside of our own minds.
 
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