Medical-2000W--sealed room-CO2-Ebb & Flo-PK,Mango,Papaya, Orange Crush Deisel
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#1Raiderfan420
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Hey man, how the hell are ya? Good to see you are still lurkin man. I appreciate the compliments. If things go right, I will be changing some shit up in my room and adding a couple 600's and a 3x6 tray, so don't be a stranger bro.
#1Raiderfan420
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Your right, I hadn't noticed that before. I usually stop using it in flower. However, after this great realization, I will be using it all the way through from now on. I did notice the Ausie has this recomendation:
For Best Results
House & Garden Algen Extract will maintain your plant’s maximum health to enable all energy to be directed towards growth. Algen Extract will protect and boost your plants from the first sign of roots until the last sign of flowers.
I have had much better advice from the Ausie site than the US one. They always answer e-mails right away too, so I would tend to follow their advice over the US site which is run by Humbolt Wholesale ( I think that is the right name).
Thanks for the heads up man.
For Best Results
House & Garden Algen Extract will maintain your plant’s maximum health to enable all energy to be directed towards growth. Algen Extract will protect and boost your plants from the first sign of roots until the last sign of flowers.
I have had much better advice from the Ausie site than the US one. They always answer e-mails right away too, so I would tend to follow their advice over the US site which is run by Humbolt Wholesale ( I think that is the right name).
Thanks for the heads up man.
Someguy15
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Hey man, all this nute talk has me thinking.... I think I want to give H&G a try. I bookmarked that feeding schedule link u posted and was wondering do u use everything they offer? I am pretty sold on everything they have except maybe the drip clean & shooting powder, do you noticed an improved difference using either? Thanks for tips in advance.
#1Raiderfan420
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I would definatley use the Drip clean in hydro, it goes a long way at .4 ml per gal. It works great to keep the reserviors clean and with slt build up. I think you use soil though, so it might not be needed. The run I did without shooting powder I did notice a decrease in yeild and density of the buds. If there was one thing that I would drop, it might be the top booster( but it isn't expensive and only used for 4 or 5 days). In soil though, I would probably drop it becuase it is recommended to change your reservior after the 5 days of using it and it is recommended to not mix with shooting powder. Having said that, I do use the entire line. In my experience, when I drop one part out, I do notice a diference. I just started using the Algen Extract in veg with improved results. I have never run the aggressive feeding recomendations, but with the regular feeding schedule I have good results.
I was going to say in my last post about the algen extract, that it said to be a source of Calcium and Magnesium, which may be why I have had to add Cal/Mag to my line up. Because, I have been only been using during veg.
Anyway man, I would use the entire line. It isn't like AN where you need 15 different products. At any one time you never need to use anymore that 3 or 4 products and I think there are only 7 components in total.
Someguy15
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I run hydro. I guess I would invest in the whole lineup, about 500 for 2 harvests according to my calcs. How do you manage your rez's i've heard no airstones with H&G is that true or do u use stones? Do you clean the rez between changes or just between rounds (currently I pull mine and wash with water before replacing)? I'm just afraid with some more organic products like the algen extract that it would be much messier than my current nute line (ionic with mostly botanicare additives). Thanks for all the 1 on 1 insight, appreciate it man.
#1Raiderfan420
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I just top off my reserviors until after the top booster. You aren't supposed to mix the top booster with the shooting powder, so I drain and re-fill. Then I drain once more in the middle of the shooting powder, but I am not sure that is necessary. H&G recommends that you flush once a week while using shooting powder, but that gets expensive with two 50 gal reserviors and 4 sachets per res. My reserviors always stay clean, no gunk build up with the drip clean. I have tried the Organic Bloom line which did create a lot of slime and gunk, but not an issue with the H&G line. I haven't added the algen in flower, so I am not sure about the effect. As far as air stones, that was a mis-print per H&G. I run two stones in each reservior.
The prices are resonable, but I buy the large 20 liter a/b and the 5 liter of budxl, multizen, top booster. There is a considerable discount for buying in bulk with house and garden. I also got my hydro store to give me a 15% dicsount just by asking. You know one more thing I might mention, if you contact house and garden ( e-mail or phone) and tell them that you are considering switching to their line they will sometimes send you a complete line-up sample.
The prices are resonable, but I buy the large 20 liter a/b and the 5 liter of budxl, multizen, top booster. There is a considerable discount for buying in bulk with house and garden. I also got my hydro store to give me a 15% dicsount just by asking. You know one more thing I might mention, if you contact house and garden ( e-mail or phone) and tell them that you are considering switching to their line they will sometimes send you a complete line-up sample.
Someguy15
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Yeah I've got a decent reputation at my local store (7k+ spent) so they shouldn't have a problem contacting H&G rep and requesting samples for me. (H&G actually suggested this method on one of their sites) Glad to hear it's all clean and works with stones, I'll likely be giving it a try next round after I use up most of what I've got. Thanks for your help man! I'd rep u, but this site is broken...never lets me rep u enough rofl
quickrip
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Chalk one up for the apprentice
I didnt use the algen ext this round in flower so I will try with the next. We can check out the difference. Plus I like the idea of protecting and boosting thru flower
#1Raiderfan420
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Sounds like you got the connection. Yea, they didn't send me the nutes, they had me pick them at the hydro store I shop at and they replaced them for him in his next order. Right back at ya on the rep thing lol
I am thinking of adding it my reserviors now in week 5. I figure it can't hurt. Although, unless it creates some type of build up in my res, I will be using it going forward from start to finish.Chalk one up for the apprentice
#1Raiderfan420
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The FIM gave me the best results.
mr.smileyface
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Here are some pics at day 41. Its purple kush. I took them when the lights were off and some were falling over. Look in the back you see that gap? There is a plant that completly fell on the other ones. Here is a recap. 45 plants vegged for 6 weeks under a 600watt hps. All in two gallon pots full of sunshine number 4. Fed with advanced nutes and a few others. Connessuer,synsezyme,b52,diamondnectar,pirhana,overdrive. phed at 6.1-6.3. They drink about 2-3 times a week. feeding once a week and water the rest.
There is 4000 watts of hps digital lighting. Temps stay under 30. co2 ppm is 1800, rh is 50%-60%, space is 10x10x8. The lights are in cool tubes and about 12" away. They are hooked up to an 8inch vortex. I have a 1 ton a/c so its not 100% sealed but its good enough till i get a watercooled chiller. I have a 4 inch fan on a filter going 24/7. I have three fans stirring air. 1 oscolating, 1 wall mount and one small fan on the ground pushing air through plants. The co2 is controlled by a matador co2 controller and blue ox 4 burner. The Rh is controlled by a dehum.
Those pictures are about a week old. Im letting them go the full 8 weeks + a couple days.
#1Raiderfan420
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Looks good man, looks like you got a good pull comming. Nice work!
#1Raiderfan420
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A little update. I drained and re-filled the reserviors tonight, the first change in flower. You got to love how clean H&G stays. I started the Shooting powder. I normally would wait until week 6, but decided to start a few days early. I figure, I usually only end up running it 2 weeks becuase I flush the last. I will Run 2 sachets per 50 gal res for 10 days then up to 4 per tray.
before Shooting powder -PPMs 900/PH 5.65
after shooting powder -PPMs 1250/ PH 6.26
before Shooting powder -PPMs 900/PH 5.65
after shooting powder -PPMs 1250/ PH 6.26
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whodatnation
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God dude you are nailing it
mr.smileyface
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Thats crazy for day 32. I cant wait till hydro.
I came to relize its not what your growing in, its what your ppm and ph levels through out the grow. Thats what makes hydro better. You just have to make it consistant, hydro just lets you have more control. It also makes room for more trial and error.
Im not really a follower.. but your doing something right!
I came to relize its not what your growing in, its what your ppm and ph levels through out the grow. Thats what makes hydro better. You just have to make it consistant, hydro just lets you have more control. It also makes room for more trial and error.
Im not really a follower.. but your doing something right!
smokinmayne
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i just want to shrink myself and hop from leaf to leaf