Medical Marijuana Bill in US Senate

overgrowem said:

The BIGGEST fed battle to date is set already. I believe the Kansas, Okla suit is to be heard in June?. That decision will make the other suits moot, Sheriffs, Holiday Inn, etc.. As I understand it the Supremacy clause will be at stake, I Do not see how Scotus can rule for Colo.,forcing a quick resched. or chaos..I also believe a half assed resched. will NOT fix the impact of a pro supremacy decision, Maybe the case is a blessing, forcing unscheduling?

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Do you have any good links on this? It is interesting the way you laid it out, and I would like to follow how it plays when push comes to shove. I don't think I am quite as savvy about the political machinations as you seem to be...

overgrowem said:

FL. polled at 72% prior to the vote. Can't recall the % day b4 election, but it polled as passing 63%?. actually got 57.7%?... 5.5 polling points did not actually exist. This is the rule not the exception, and the antis vote

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Yeah...but imho Florida is a strange case, with all the blow-ins and snowbirds etc. As far as states go, I am reluctant to look to them as a bellwether. Lots and lots of old folks down there, which skews the dynamic too

freddfish said:

Do you have any good links on this? It is interesting the way you laid it out, and I would like to follow how it plays when push comes to shove. I don't think I am quite as savvy about the political machinations as you seem to be...

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Most of my info comes from 5 or so sites Each adds its little bit: Stop the Drug War .Com., the Chronicle A.M. and Med. MJ sections daily updates are good for state news. Cannabis Culture Marijuana Magazine, Mark Emery's site, good west coast and Canadian site..MAP. Media awareness project/index,, continuously updated (you have to get on the right page, 1 good,1 not so good,(lots of newspaper articles, op eds, etc). The Weed Blog, GOOD site, updated 3/4 times a day. Topix, Marijuana News, so so Site that occasionally has articles found no place else. Norml, State news section, articles from newspapers within that state. The Cannabist.com. MJ section of the Denver paper, good for Colo. news On some of these the First/main page is not where U want to be. U may have to go to a page or 2, but when U are in the right spot u should know it.

overgrowem said:

Most of my info comes from 5 or so sites Each adds its little bit: Stop the Drug War .Com., the Chronicle A.M. and Med. MJ articles are Good for state news. Cannabis Culture Marijuana Magazine, Mark Emery's site, good west coast and Canadian Site..MAP. Media awareness project/index,, continuisly updated (you have to get on the right page, 1 good,1 not so good,(lots of newspaper articles, op eds, etc). The Weed Blog, good site, updated 3/4 times a day. Topix, Marijuana News, so so cite that occasionally has articles found no place else. Norml, State news section, articles from newspaper within that state. The Cannabist.com. MJ section of the Denver paper, good for Colo. news On some of these the First/main page is not where U want to be. U may have to go to a page or 2, but when U are in the right spot u should know it.

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Thanks!

It'll take me a week to get through all that material... but worth it I suspect. Staying on top of this and making noise will get the ball rolling...

whitebb2727 said:

I live in KY. Hemp is already legal. We have a medical bill in the works. On top of that, 4 plants is a misdemeanor and eight ounces is also a misdemeanor. KY has lenient laws on mj compared to some states. Even recent bust with felony amounts of plants are just getting slaps on the wrist.

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Saw a show once that said Ky. was an outdoor grow hotbed. is this still so? Does KY. export product or has the market shifted? How's KY's record on asset forfeiture?

overgrowem said:

Saw a show once that said Ky. was an outdoor grow hotbed. is this still so? Does KY. export product or has the market shifted? How's KY's record on asset forfeiture?

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Up until the medical sweep across the us KY was second only to California. Its still a hotbed. You don't see much in the way of asset forfeiture. KY is more worried about pills and Meth. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. The way the law is set up you need to be in the 50 plant range for serious trouble. I believe since hemp and cbd passed medical is next. We have a marijuana compassion act bill in the works.

whitebb2727 said:

Up until the medical sweep across the us KY was second only to California. Its still a hotbed. You don't see much in the way of asset forfeiture. KY is more worried about pills and Meth. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. The way the law is set up you need to be in the 50 plant range for serious trouble. I believe since hemp and cbd passed medical is next. We have a marijuana compassion act bill in the works.

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50 plants, sounds like the powers that be have created a wink and nod cottage industry,a limit set just above an economy of scale. Not intense scrutiny. Wonder how many otherwise poor, get a big boost with near 50 plant gardens. I see the pols wanting to keep the status quo.

overgrowem said:

Saw a show once that said Ky. was an outdoor grow hotbed. is this still so? Does KY. export product or has the market shifted? How's KY's record on asset forfeiture?

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Kinda funny coincidence...the most recent episodes of the FX show "Justified" concern a scramble to buy good land in Harlan Co just ahead of (I guess fictional) weed legalization. One character said that the rick and loamy soil of the area was famous for qualtiy and high-yields.

Of course, Justified is just a TV show, after all. But I did find it interesting.

freddfish said:

Kinda funny coincidence...the most recent episodes of the FX show "Justified" concern a scramble to buy good land in Harlan Co just ahead of (I guess fictional) weed legalization. One character said that the rick and loamy soil of the area was famous for qualtiy and high-yields.

Of course, Justified is just a TV show, after all. But I did find it interesting.

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I've been to Harlan. Some of the show is just that, a show. Its right on the money. I know of coal miners ritiring after growing in that area. Funny though, cross the state line into VA and one plant is mandatory 5 year minimum.

50 plants would put you at a class c felony. 49 class d 1-5 in KY. First offense mostly probation .

whitebb2727 said:

I've been to Harlan. Some of the show is just that, a show. Its right on the money. I know of coal miners ritiring after growing in that area. Funny though, cross the state line into VA and one plant is mandatory 5 year minimum.

50 plants would put you at a class c felony. 49 class d 1-5 in KY. First offense mostly probation .

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FL. hits U up on Manufacturing with intent to distribute, at 21 or 22 plants. I'm sure most plea.

overgrowem said:

FL. hits U up on Manufacturing with intent to distribute, at 21 or 22 plants. I'm sure most plea.

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Slowly but surely America is realizing they have been lied to.

When I was a teenager my dad would have beat me for smoking pot.

My dad went through chemotherapy and radiation for lymphoma. It caused nerve damage. He got so bad he couldn't walk and was eating pain pills like skittles. I made him some edibles and a topical cream and it has changed his life.

I do the same for my wife that has diabetic neuropathy.

It is a shame that such medicine is illegal.

whitebb2727 said:

Slowly but surely America is realizing they have been lied to.

When I was a teenager my dad would have beat me for smoking pot.

My dad went through chemotherapy and radiation for lymphoma. It caused nerve damage. He got so bad he couldn't walk and was eating pain pills like skittles. I made him some edibles and a topical cream and it has changed his life.

I do the same for my wife that has diabetic neuropathy.

It is a shame that such medicine is illegal.

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That is a pretty inspiring story....and one that tends to make me angry at the people who are persisting in keeping this illegal and unresearched. I'm glad you were able to give him some relief.

Is your dad still with us?

freddfish said:

That is a pretty inspiring story....and one that tends to make me angry at the people who are persisting in keeping this illegal and unresearched. I'm glad you were able to give him some relief.

Is your dad still with us?

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Yes he is with us. Cancer free over ten years now.

I've told the story here before. The doctors were going to kill him. They burnt his saliva glands up. He had to carry water and lidocaine for a long time.

He was on his death bed and walked away from chemo and radiation. He went to an organic diet and used herbs and natural remedies.

I cried when the man I looked up to was widdled to less than a hundred pounds.

Thank you for the kind words. I hope this story and others reach the public.

whitebb2727 said:

Yes he is with us. Cancer free over ten years now.

I've told the story here before. The doctors were going to kill him. They burnt his saliva glands up. He had to carry water and lidocaine for a long time.

He was on his death bed and walked away from chemo and radiation. He went to an organic diet and used herbs and natural remedies.

I cried when the man I looked up to was widdled to less than a hundred pounds.

Thank you for the kind words. I hope this story and others reach the public.

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I wish I could LIKE that post a hundred fucking times. So glad to hear that it worked out for him, you, and the family.

We need good, solid research into all facets of MMJ ...and we don,'t need it now.we needed it 20 years ago.