MMPR documenatation not recognized by law enforcement as "legitimate"

I think the driving issue is one of the main problem with the idea of legalization. How are cops supposed to really test how high someone is other than basic field sobriety tests which any old school smoker can pass.
Ive smoked a gram a day for twenty years and i doubt i could pass those tests in with no meds. In fact if i had to guess id say if a cop saw me standing still with no meds he wouldnt let me drive.
So i have to medicate to move and i welcome any and all tests lol
 
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mojoganjaman said:
baby steps Vin...simple...educate folk...don't force your perceived rights...educate...fuck...I'm really starting to think this forum is dysfunctional simply because of "entitlement"...you kin smoke at my house anytime my grandkids aren't here...if they are, put on your big-boy pants and be discrete (we'll goto the beach )...same as out in public....get it????
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Wanting to be treated like any other law abiding citizen is not entitlement. You talk of perceived rights. They are not perceived rights. They are very real. No where in ANY anti smoking legislation in Canada is mj addressed. Don't believe me? Do some reserch and prove me wrong if you can. Do you know why cigarettes have to be smoked outside? Secondhand smoke. It causes cancer. It's not illigal because it smells bad to nonsmokers. Weed doesn't cause cancer. You seem to think your own rules for no getting hassled by the "man" should apply to everyone. I will not hide. I will not run. What I'm doing is legal. Educate! This nonsense your talking about isn't law and isn't what's right.
 
torontoke said:
I think the driving issue is one of the main problem with the idea of legalization. How are cops supposed to really test how high someone is other than basic field sobriety tests which any old school smoker can pass.
Ive smoked a gram a day for twenty years and i doubt i could pass those tests in with no meds. In fact if i had to guess id say if a cop saw me standing still with no meds he wouldnt let me drive.
So i have to medicate to move and i welcome any and all tests lol
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They are testing for 'impairment' not 'how high' one is. If you are able to pass the field sobriety tests, that would eliminate impairment. I think Colorado and Washington introduced a 5 nanogram? ppm blood test for the threshold. Not sure how that would work for daily users tho...I'd probably still be over if I quit for a week!
 
VIANARCHRIS said:
They are testing for 'impairment' not 'how high' one is. If you are able to pass the field sobriety tests, that would eliminate impairment. I think Colorado and Washington introduced a 5 nanogram? ppm blood test for the threshold. Not sure how that would work for daily users tho...I'd probably still be over if I quit for a week!
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Last year I quit smoking for a month to pass a piss test. 16 nano grams in there after 31 days.
 
Impairment is how high u are.
5 nanograms is probably lower than most regular mj users wake up with.
The problem is 5 ng is nothing to someone with tolerance but to a new smoker it might be blurred vision and delayed motor function.
 
See I might have been asking for a retest if that close...1 nano is splitting hairs imo. If you can go without to get that close...?Gee seems a shame.
 
WHATFG said:
See I might have been asking for a retest if that close...1 nano is splitting hairs imo. If you can go without to get that close...?Gee seems a shame.
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I had that option. But the lab said if I faild I'd be on the hook for the cost of the second test. I think it was just under $200 iirc. This whole thing doesn't happen over night. You piss in bottle. They do a spot test on site. If it shows positive for any controlled/illigal substances it goes to the lab for analysis. That takes a week. So what happened was in knew I failed on day 1. Just not how bad I failed. I was pissed kept looking for another job. Found another job with a less stringent drug test before I got the results of how bad I failed. The drug test at the new job was "you gonna light that joint?" Needless to say I passed that one.
 
Yep! I VOLINTARILY withdrew from morphine and it just seemed that I pissed in his cornflakes that day....only test I will ever take for a doc...
 
WHATFG said:
Yep! I VOLINTARILY withdrew from morphine and it just seemed that I pissed in his cornflakes that day....only test I will ever take for a doc...
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"What do you mean you don't want the death pills anymore? Something's wrong with you. Piss in here please." Is how I imagine the conversations with the doc went.
 
WHATFG said:
Our government wants everyone to think that they are treating this like every other medication even though they constantly remind us that mj has no scientific evidence to back up its effectiveness. Having said that...if that is how we are to behave, then where I medicate is irrelevant...you sure don't see security guards or cops detaining a diabetic for whipping out a needle full of.....is it insulin? are we sure it isn't heroin? I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if I can drop a handful of pills in public why shouldn't I be allowed to go into a public area designated for stinky practices and medicate?
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Cause second hand smoke can drift and affect others that are around you smoking. I believe I can eat a pot cookie in public, so long as I don't share it with others or leave some of the cookie behind.

BTW, I hate tobacco smoke and don't wanna smell it--can ruin the buzz, lol--So I got little problems with not smoking weed in public, it would be fantastic if I could but I'm thrilled enough just being able to smoke weed legally in private.
 
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Gmack420 said:
Well up here the language used in all anti smoking laws clearly speak to the use of tobacco not mj. If you don't mind the occasional argument with a close minded retard you can smoke outdoors any where and not need to be worried. I use a pen vape for shatter and hash everywhere. Never had any problems inside or out. The op is in this mess due to his doctors note not looking right. The cops had a right to question him. The documentation he provided didn't look right. The same as having prescription meds not in the proper container they were dispensed in. That's why he was charged. As for your opinion about driving and smoking, what's the difference between smoking at home then going for a drive and smoking while driving? I medicate all day and I'm never impaired. I'm I suspose to stop driving? Should I just take more percs and Xanax during the day and only smoke at night? That's a lot safer right? Lol you don't sound like a real medical user. I smoke so I don't have to take those fucking things. Medicated is not = impairment.
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Well I've been using weed since the 80's and have done just about everything.

Smoking while driving is like drinking a beer while driving. If you start off with no booze in your system and just limit yourself to one beer, you are still breaking the law. Same if the backseat passengers drink--makes no sense really but thats how the law is.

Yeah vap pens are way better then smoking a joint, joints stink, you can smell one from pretty far away.

As for my medical use, nope, I don't have cancer, aids, etc. I just have longterm pain from old injuries and I hate pills and alcohol, weed works better for me and lets me live a happy normal life all day and all night long. I bike, swim, stay activate and in shape all year round .. Its easier to get approved here in Michigan for medical use, we got like 130,000 people signed up in Michigan. I believe there is only around 50,000 people in all of Canada approved for medical use. So maybe I don't understand with needing to puff every so often,
 
Skylor said:
Cause second hand smoke can drift and effect others that are not around. I believe I can eat a pot cookie in public, so long as I don't share it with others or leave some of the cookie behind.

BTW, I hate tobacco smoke and don't wanna smell it--can ruin the buzz, lol--So I got little problems with not smoking weed in public, it would be fantastic if I could but I'm thrilled enough just being able to smoke weed legally in private.
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Anything other than dried bud is currently illegal for legal patients to use. In BC it seems to be ok for the moment but the government is appealing every decision in our favour every fucking inch of the way. So vaping might be the only option for some, or smoking it may be the only option. When I have to be out, I have to medicate. Luckily, i don't really give a shit if ingesting it is illegal, I will medicate as I see fit,just try to be discreet about it. If I can't....oh well, I'm still not doing anything wrong and I think it's about time people started getting used to people smoking dope!
 
nsbudca said:
Please stop spelling edibles wrong lolol
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I try, lol

Did you know 25 years ago, least here in the states, a driver was not impaired until their blood alcohol level was at .1 and drunk driving wasn't until .15 or over. ....today .08 you are drunk and .17 is "super drunk"..in the old days, most every driver who got arrested for drunk driving was "super drunk" by todays standards
 
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torontoke said:
I think the driving issue is one of the main problem with the idea of legalization. How are cops supposed to really test how high someone is other than basic field sobriety tests which any old school smoker can pass.
Ive smoked a gram a day for twenty years and i doubt i could pass those tests in with no meds. In fact if i had to guess id say if a cop saw me standing still with no meds he wouldnt let me drive.
So i have to medicate to move and i welcome any and all tests lol
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If one can pass the basic field sobriety tests, what is the problem with letting one drive. ....we don't go saying any amount of alcohol is no good,....05 is now the new standard in Ontario, thats pushing it really low. The whole idea about DUI laws should be about safe operation while driving. If one can safely operate their car, they should be allowed to drive it, IMO

We don't have reaction tests that test reflex's, if we did, some drivers would fail while being sober. That would be more fair but we wanna have this thing where everybody can drive if they obey traffic laws. Even if it takes you a few seconds to see a red light before you start braking---hey, thats why we got such slow speed limits, there are some real dumb drivers on the roads.

What we really need is self driving cars but thats way off
 
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