Most Underrated Breeders

PeakseedsBC definitely for me.

Kushberry I grew out - really nice smoke. Surprisingly zippy.

First NL pheno I try - I like it a lot. Warm all over feeling. Puts a smile on your face.

And the Skunk comes down soon and it's been the one I've been most excited about.

Jaws gear is up there. Outlaw genetics. Next generation.

VTMi'kmaq said:

Whatever happened to getting what ya pay for?View attachment 2457941like this killer ass stupor inducing lovliness?
i want skunk munkie making and pasing all laws and legislation! lol!

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That nug looks like SHIT!

1. Cannacopia
2. Karma Genetics
3. PeakSeedsBC
4. Resin Seeds/CBD Crew

thecoolman said:

That nug looks like SHIT!

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I have never tried it and while I agree that nug doesn't have much bag appeal, I have had some killer smoke that was airy like that. Usually they are sativa dominate strains and have cerebral highs. I have a Strawberry Diesel that looks like that and it tastes and smells fantastic but if you just saw it in a bag you would pass it up. Also the best NYCD I have ever had was all foxtails and was airy too and I smoked that with Soma himself at a Cannabis Cup in 2001. Also check out Dr. Grinspoon it has no bag appeal but its suppose to be 25% THC taste great and have a killer super uplifting high. So don't always judge a book by its cover.

Dr. Grinspoon

'Bag appeal' is for newbs.

Freak @ Cabin Fever.

What are some underrated breeders on attitude?

Cyproz said:

What are some underrated breeders on attitude?

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Homegrown fantaseeds was at one point my favorite seed maker. Their armageddon, blue haze, super crystal i still have cuttings of. Hard seeds to get these days. I plan on growing the shiva-afghani and amazing haze sometime in 2013-2014 before they get discontinued or disappear.
They use alot of original positronics genetics since they took over their genetics library back in the day. Quality gear so far if a bit expensive.

NickNasty said:

I have never tried it and while I agree that nug doesn't have much bag appeal, I have had some killer smoke that was airy like that. Usually they are sativa dominate strains and have cerebral highs. I have a Strawberry Diesel that looks like that and it tastes and smells fantastic but if you just saw it in a bag you would pass it up. Also the best NYCD I have ever had was all foxtails and was airy too and I smoked that with Soma himself at a Cannabis Cup in 2
001. Also check out Dr. Grinspoon it has no bag appeal but its suppose to be 25% THC taste great and have a killer super uplifting high. So don't always judge a book by its cover.

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ya out of 100's of strains i have smoked some of the best were airy 'sativa staggered" structure. not grower error airy lol

That nug looks like SHIT!

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without looking at the pic, a bud's looks have NOTHING to do with the quality of it's high.

'Bag appeal' is for newbs.

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preach it brother! preach it! i've taken to calling it schwag appeal as it's only purpose is to hype up inferior indicas that are way more common than they should be as more people would rather get high than stoned. the very first time i smoked indicas after being spoiled by cali grown columbian gold, i hated them and no amount of:
- look at all that resin (that just makes you tired with no euphoria, motivation, creativity or sensory effects)
- mmmm mmmm mmm, smell that skunk's anus! that's some "good shit" (irony intended)
- look at the size of that bud! (sounds like penis envy)
- feel how hard that is! why, you can't even break it apart and smoke it with your bare fingers!
- look! red hairs!

big fucking deal! no matter how much you try and hype that shit, it doesn't get you high! i've been thinking of starting a thread calling bag appeal lies because those who've actually smoked bud that the OPPOSITE of that propaganda know that the best shit has none of those traits. columbian gold popcorn was fluffy, pale green, no more exotic smelling than pine, tasted like what a wild growing field smells like, and had only little peachuzz resin glands on it. the "bag appeal myth" was created to distract the weak minded and forgetful from the fact that the indoor shit that replaced sativas after the paraquat wars and drought was seriously inferior to the highs we were all getting the summer before at half the fucking price at that! it's hype to make the "new jack" shit sound better when in fact it's MUCH WORSE.

peeps that have actually gotten high for real and old timer's know what the fuck is up, and by that, i mean that UP buzz you get when you're high. it's purely marketing hype for schwag and enough people bought into it to make the myth seem like reality. i defy ANY schwag appeal advocate to take 4 big chamber hits off real columbian gold and call it "weak"! you take 4 hits of that shit and first you'll be woofing your lungs out, then you'll feel happy for a minute until the room starts spinning on you and you have to lie down and pray for sleep and WHATEVER you do, don't try and take the edge off with beer as it'll only make you puke your guts out on top of your lungs, and THEN you'll start trippin' and seeing shit, but all you'll care about is the room to stop spinning and making you dizzy. the experience is a lot funner at sane doses and if you aren't a naturally twitchy person who WOULD be better suited with an anti-anxiety indy or hybrid.

i can't give fez rep at the moment, but he's telling it like it really is... i'll bear witness!

ya out of 100's of strains i have smoked some of the best were airy 'sativa staggered" structure. not grower error airy lol

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another truth bearer!

and another...

"I started smoking in the 70's and remember the quality of the highs were amazing. They induced fits of laughter, incredible munchies, made you feel uplifted, inspired and happy. I noticed a drop in effects around the early 90's. Didn't really know what had happened, but the fun high sorta went away. I shrugged it off thinking maybe it was my tolerance had gotten to high or just getting older in age that lowered the quality of the buzz.


It wasn't until I started talking to other smokers around my age and slightly younger that I realized it wasn't just me. Many people agreed the "fun stuff" disappeared in the early 90's.


I researched online for a couple months but didn't find many leads to help me understand what might have happened. However, I believe I've come to the conclusion that the majority of strains available today are more indica dominant which is not what I was use to having. Since I read, almost all the strains in the 70's-80's were pure Sativa's. I didn't really know the difference between the two back then. Nobody really did or cared. We all just knew what the effects were and we enjoyed it.


ALL the strains I've been experimenting with since the 90's have been hybrids and I haven't had any luck. They make me tired, lethargic, anti-social and sorta dumb. If we would of been sold today's weed back in the 70's-80's, we would of cursed the dealer out and asked for a refund! Not kidding! (like i did myself the first time i ever smoked 3 grams worth of 2 different indies i wasted $8 TOTAL on! hazey grapes' comment)

&

Some of the best highs I ever had were males plants and it was not this dense bud stuff you see today. It was just dried, BROWN leaves. We would smoke this stuff and laugh straight for 2 1/2 hours! It would cause visual and audio hallucinations, colors were VIBRANT, everything sparkled to the extreme where you could barely see even squinting your eyes almost entirely shut. It was an instant good time. One joint for 5 people and we all got RIPPED, for hours!


It seems all of the smokers today are all caught up on the appearance, taste, smell, texture, stickyness of the buds and all this bogus horseshit. But who really cares. They quality of the high with all this shit is lame. They've almost turned smoking weed into a wine connoisseur type of hobby. It's stupid.

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from jgerlitz & His father, here:
https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/532147-malawi-landrace-sativa-130-days-8.html

and another...

Me personally, I'm not a (heavy) indica person - but I have my reasons. Mainly because I have clinically diagnosed neurological problems... I'm sure you know enough at med's as to why sativa's help me better. I had the same issues with my "old" dealer before I became legal. A few times I would get a good sativa and request that he ask for it again. He would yell at me giving me all kinds of shit about how it wasn't that good, and sativas take too long to grow, are stringy with no bag appeal, etc.

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from Buddy232 here:
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/484337-what-strains-should-i-use.html#post6584314



OK, i went and did it. i created a thread just about the myth of bag appeal that all the old timers and greedy bastids can argue in here
https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/609869-bag-appeal-fucking-lie-stop.html#post8511321

Start a thread about the bag appeal lies and see the shit you get,


You obviousley been buying the wrong stuff as I can get stuff that as bag appeal,quality and gets me of my titts.
C99 you talk of yourself , and if grown the right pheno can have the ultimate bag appeal.



QUit chatting like as if you guru of cannabis as you only every fucked plants up not ever grow them

There's a lot if quality around that has both flavor and buzz. It's up to the smoker if they prefer sativas or indi's. find what ya like from a quality breeder and your golden. Snow high seeds is another quality one along with kos

Medman out of Canada has been killin it.. legit genetics at a wicked good price . just had my purple pain killer thread deleted at icbag so im going to start a fresh one here!

hazey grapes said:

without looking at the pic, a bud's looks have NOTHING to do with the quality of it's high.

preach it brother! preach it! i've taken to calling it schwag appeal as it's only purpose is to hype up inferior indicas that are way more common than they should be as more people would rather get high than stoned. the very first time i smoked indicas after being spoiled by cali grown columbian gold, i hated them and no amount of:
- look at all that resin (that just makes you tired with no euphoria, motivation, creativity or sensory effects)
- mmmm mmmm mmm, smell that skunk's anus! that's some "good shit" (irony intended)
- look at the size of that bud! (sounds like penis envy)
- feel how hard that is! why, you can't even break it apart and smoke it with your bare fingers!
- look! red hairs!

big fucking deal! no matter how much you try and hype that shit, it doesn't get you high! i've been thinking of starting a thread calling bag appeal lies because those who've actually smoked bud that the OPPOSITE of that propaganda know that the best shit has none of those traits. columbian gold popcorn was fluffy, pale green, no more exotic smelling than pine, tasted like what a wild growing field smells like, and had only little peachuzz resin glands on it. the "bag appeal myth" was created to distract the weak minded and forgetful from the fact that the indoor shit that replaced sativas after the paraquat wars and drought was seriously inferior to the highs we were all getting the summer before at half the fucking price at that! it's hype to make the "new jack" shit sound better when in fact it's MUCH WORSE.

peeps that have actually gotten high for real and old timer's know what the fuck is up, and by that, i mean that UP buzz you get when you're high. it's purely marketing hype for schwag and enough people bought into it to make the myth seem like reality. i defy ANY schwag appeal advocate to take 4 big chamber hits off real columbian gold and call it "weak"! you take 4 hits of that shit and first you'll be woofing your lungs out, then you'll feel happy for a minute until the room starts spinning on you and you have to lie down and pray for sleep and WHATEVER you do, don't try and take the edge off with beer as it'll only make you puke your guts out on top of your lungs, and THEN you'll start trippin' and seeing shit, but all you'll care about is the room to stop spinning and making you dizzy. the experience is a lot funner at sane doses and if you aren't a naturally twitchy person who WOULD be better suited with an anti-anxiety indy or hybrid.

i can't give fez rep at the moment, but he's telling it like it really is... i'll bear witness!

another truth bearer!

and another...

from jgerlitz & His father, here:
https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/532147-malawi-landrace-sativa-130-days-8.html

and another...

from Buddy232 here:
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/484337-what-strains-should-i-use.html#post6584314



OK, i went and did it. i created a thread just about the myth of bag appeal that all the old timers and greedy bastids can argue in here
https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/609869-bag-appeal-fucking-lie-stop.html#post8511321

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I like to call it "Pretindica"

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

Homegrown fantaseeds was at one point my favorite seed maker. Their armageddon, blue haze, super crystal i still have cuttings of. Hard seeds to get these days. I plan on growing the shiva-afghani and amazing haze sometime in 2013-2014 before they get discontinued or disappear.
They use alot of original positronics genetics since they took over their genetics library back in the day. Quality gear so far if a bit expensive.

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The first year I grew outdoors using seedbank seeds, among other things I bought a pack of Homegrown Fantaseeds "Outdoor Mix." Out of 5 or 6 that I cracked, I ended up with two very nice ladies. I spent quite a bit of time afterwards reading up on their strain descriptions to try and get an idea of what it was that I grew. Of course there is no way of ever knowing for sure, but at the time I thought there was a very good chance the bigger of the two was their Armageddon. If I had to take a wild guess, I would say the other one could have been Caramella.

I completely forgot about those guys until you mentioned them. Regardless of what it was, I was impressed with them. I still have the remaining seeds in my stash. I'd like to grow them out someday.

Billy Goat Seeds , he's sick now and hasn't released much lately but his strains like oriential express ,chocolate thai F2's, and he suppled the thai plant to head seeds to make Casey Jones . Hope he gets better soon so he can put out some more killer strains , he defiantly gets my vote for most underrated breeder.

I like indicas ....I have neck n back pain... bag appeal is a must IMO...if it looks like garbage there is an excellent chance it smokes like it.I have Cindy's. Mosca seeds goin now...

Some of the best smoke I've had looked like dirt mex that had been trampled by cattle, bag appeal means nothing to me.