My Amare, Hydroponics Hut, & SunCloak Grow

Evil-Mobo

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Stephen from Johnson posted a challenge saying his light can beat an Amare in the sphere. Vic & I accepted. Let's see what happens from here.
GG (Plc) ran for the hills when I challenged him.
This time Stephen challenged me & Amare for pink slips/lamps. Winner takes the lamp. Guess I'll own an all cob light to do a side by side after all. :hump::hug::bigjoint:
When is this happening? I want to keep tabs on the results. This will give definitive answers to a lot of questions from a source no one will call out as unreliable so I am glad of the healthy competition here as it will benefit us all tremendously.
 

Vato_504

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What's up fellas. I just hung my 2 Pro 4's up in a 4x4. Not using the lenses since I don't have the height but I wanted to know how close should the lights be or how far should the be from each Other thanks.
 

Big smo

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Is this the maximizer vs pro9? Who will be holding the test? Most importantly what will be tested besides light output? Pink slips sounds very interesting but I'm not sure what either company has to benefit with each other's products. If Amare wins it will just intrigue plain cob companies to add in what Amare has been doing for years. What is the deciding factor on the "win" as I see both companies having advantages in different places. Nevertheless very interesting to see, The results will not sway my decision either way.

I'm also not sure on wattage and if they are the same. I'd hate to see the test get decided by some technical bs like my power cords thicker but yours had 20% higher par numbers so it's a draw.
 

Big smo

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I thought I read on your other thread that you went to five teaspoons, thanks for the correction , I can dilute the amount in my sip res when I get home today
Your hydro correct? I did the initial very high but lowered it down. If your in hydro I would cut that by about 50% Spoke to a rep from nectar of the gods yesterday at the grow shop and I listened him till someone no matter what the problem seems to be deficient, burnt, yellow whatever he said give them a good solid dose of calcium and magnesium. Calcium attracts the salts and is also beneficial in flushing too.
 

Hybridway

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What's up fellas. I just hung my 2 Pro 4's up in a 4x4. Not using the lenses since I don't have the height but I wanted to know how close should the lights be or how far should the be from each Other thanks.
Awesome! You're gonna love em. Might wanna bust out the shades. I like 16" on center apart from each other. Last grow I was at 27" w/ lenses. To close by recommendations standards but my plants took it fine. He recommends 32"-42" w/ lenses.
W/o lenses I like 18" but you could go up to 24". The monos blend @ 18"
How many plants you running under them?
 

Vato_504

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Awesome! You're gonna love em. Might wanna bust out the shades. I like 16" on center apart from each other. Last grow I was at 27" w/ lenses. To close by recommendations standards but my plants took it fine. He recommends 32"-42" w/ lenses.
W/o lenses I like 18" but you could go up to 24". The monos blend @ 18"
How many plants you running under them?
I'll run 3 rows of 3. So hopefully all plants will get even light. I'll let you see the setup. I have 2 nextlight veg8's in the other 4x4
 

PetFlora

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Is this the maximizer vs pro9? Who will be holding the test? Most importantly what will be tested besides light output? Pink slips sounds very interesting but I'm not sure what either company has to benefit with each other's products. If Amare wins it will just intrigue plain cob companies to add in what Amare has been doing for years. What is the deciding factor on the "win" as I see both companies having advantages in different places. Nevertheless very interesting to see, The results will not sway my decision either way.

I'm also not sure on wattage and if they are the same. I'd hate to see the test get decided by some technical bs like my power cords thicker but yours had 20% higher par numbers so it's a draw.
And with what plants? I have 2 clones from the same mother, one is considerably fuller than the other
 

TheeMagnificent

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So I upped my pp last night as my plants are in week 2 flower and I turned the monos on the pro9. I ran the big 4 cobs the first week and the plants loved it. I just checked before lights out with all the lights on and I noticed some of the plants starting to do a light fade and the leans are starting to crinkle up again. Could this be the light being too powerful too soon on them?
 

Hybridway

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Its going to the sphere. What would be nice is for the winner to do an unbiased grow with both lights afterwards.
Not going to the sphere anymore. I told him I would rather do the test using a passport meter (par-meter) because the sphere is a fallacy in measuring a grow lights capabilities based on #'s.
See, a good grow light like Amare focusses it's light to the canopy. Photons reaching the canopy is all that matters when growing & that's exactly what a par-meter reads.
Amare actually sacrifices total light output to maximize light hitting the canopy. That's why they have higher #'s & more intensity then any other light I can find.
The sphere measures total light output whether it's hitting the plants or your wall. So, a light w/ no reflectors & bare cobs would do better then one using Power-Par Tech. (Probably still win though) But when you measure what really counts to our grow & plants, it's actual photons within the footprint.
With that said, I would still like to do the test, using the proper tool for measuring a grow light, a par-meter.
I am doing Par mapping within the next 10 days & would like to include Johnsons new Quantum Dildo Board light that he challenged Amare with.
The sphere can measure lights that are used for close canopy growing. Like the BML/Fluence. Shit, the SunCloak could be measured in the sphere.
Amare prides themselves on light hitting the canopy, not bouncing off the walls of a sphere.
 

Big smo

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Is Steve still offering a light for your testing? I haven't seen any new lights available from them yet but have heard allot of talk over these new Cree led boards if that's even the same thing your talking about. Par mapping is absolutely a much better test but it would still be nice to see how they both compared. Do you know the cost to sphere a light? I'd love to send in some of my latest inventions
 

Hybridway

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Shipped out today. Another SunCloak & the above lights called Horizons x3,4k , 100 watt x6 bars & 16" lights to go between bays when I open them to 2' for bigger plants. Running BigSmos cobs on the other Cloak between bays & 2' also. Big plants.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Not going to the sphere anymore. I told him I would rather do the test using a passport meter (par-meter) because the sphere is a fallacy in measuring a grow lights capabilities based on #'s.
See, a good grow light like Amare focusses it's light to the canopy. Photons reaching the canopy is all that matters when growing & that's exactly what a par-meter reads.
Amare actually sacrifices total light output to maximize light hitting the canopy. That's why they have higher #'s & more intensity then any other light I can find.
The sphere measures total light output whether it's hitting the plants or your wall. So, a light w/ no reflectors & bare cobs would do better then one using Power-Par Tech. (Probably still win though) But when you measure what really counts to our grow & plants, it's actual photons within the footprint.
With that said, I would still like to do the test, using the proper tool for measuring a grow light, a par-meter.
I am doing Par mapping within the next 10 days & would like to include Johnsons new Quantum Dildo Board light that he challenged Amare with.
The sphere can measure lights that are used for close canopy growing. Like the BML/Fluence. Shit, the SunCloak could be measured in the sphere.
Amare prides themselves on light hitting the canopy, not bouncing off the walls of a sphere.

LOL...............this is a joke post right???.............does victor know your spewing this ???

I don't even know where to begin .........wow
 

Hybridway

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LOL...............this is a joke post right???.............does victor know your spewing this ???

I don't even know where to begin .........wow
Begin with the facts. Ppfd iscwhat matters growing plants. Not total light emitted to other places.
Reflector & lens loss = 2/3 more approx. on the canopy. And that's what matters growing my plants.
You guys are brainwashed. Think logically.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Begin with the facts. Ppfd iscwhat matters growing plants. Not total light emitted to other places.
Reflector & lens loss = 2/3 more approx. on the canopy. And that's what matters growing my plants.
You guys are brainwashed. Think logically.
It's not brainwashing, it's called industry standards ..............you do realize the difference between ppf/ppfd?
 

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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"you do realize the difference between ppf/ppfd?"

i wish i did..

i have a par meter

...ppf is one reading and ppfd is multi readings over the area each cob is to cover..

when i take a reading from one cob say 10" and its 1200 thats ppf?

and if i have my cobs on their basr over a 4x4 area and take multiple readings that ppfd?

please..i have been trying to understand this,,lol
 
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