My first class with the golden teacher

how long before you usually see mycelium growth in the jars after inoc? temps are swinging from 78-84

3-4 days usualy

From as little as 3 days to as long as 2 weeks. When you don't see anything by two weeks you should start to worry and work on another batch

What Acid said really, I would think you'll see something in at least one jar within a week though. Temps swinging not a big deal other then condensation, but make sure it DOES NOT get to 86+ from my understanding that will flat kill myc.

My question is how soon can you spot contamination in your jars? I read it's around day two that you can see if the jars are contaminated or not, is that true?

aCiDjEsUs said:

My question is how soon can you spot contamination in your jars? I read it's around day two that you can see if the jars are contaminated or not, is that true?

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prety sure contamination is a life long concern with this project...sometimes people have fully colonized jars before they see any kind of contam. and it can hit you in fruiting as well (unlikely when you have a strong mycelium, but still possible)

dont focus energy on contam just focus on the nice white

Thundercat said:

What Acid said really, I would think you'll see something in at least one jar within a week though. Temps swinging not a big deal other then condensation, but make sure it DOES NOT get to 86+ from my understanding that will flat kill myc.

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highest it has hit is 85 but i just turned it down a bit, swinging from 76-85 because i riged the PC fan to shut off with the lights. prob gonna re rig it so the fan runs 24/0 should decrease temp swings byy at least 2 degrees

aCiDjEsUs said:

My question is how soon can you spot contamination in your jars? I read it's around day two that you can see if the jars are contaminated or not, is that true?

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I think the time frame would be about the same as the myc that you want to be growing so Im guessing 3-6 days after inoculation or introduction of the contamination.

I was on the Shroomery earlier and found this thread with lots of example pics of what you do and do not want to see in your jars, tubs, and fruits. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150.

technical dan said:

I was on the Shroomery earlier and found this thread with lots of example pics of what you do and do not want to see in your jars, tubs, and fruits. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150.

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must spread reputation around before giving any to technical dan again.....dammit....great contribution to the thread man....awesome link!!

Hey Retired, thanks for my first rep I saw earlier you'd asked if you can keep getting flushes. As long as the cake doesn't go bad first, you can extend the life of cakes by resoaking them in water. You can probably do this no more than 3 times before they're done.

Have you tripped or done shrooms before? I always find homegrown shrooms more potent than cow filed shrooms. They are the only trip that gives me 2 climaxes. The first one good and the second one intense. In the first one, The Golden Teacher showed me how the relations I had with people were like a mycelium network. The healthy connections bore fruit (like a shroom) and the unhealthy connections bore no fruit. It gave me a lot of insight to my relationships with people at the time. The 2nd climax was total ego death. I had to muster all my strength to get through, but I did it without freaking out. The bounderies between me, my thoughts, and my surroundings totally dissolved. The lesson that the GT was trying to teach was surrender. At this point I realized that I had to surrender to the trip and let this happen. That was what saved me.

Just as the shroom has forbidden canndo to sell, it has forbidden me to return until I have implemented the lessons it gave me that faithful night. It was an amazing experience, but I now respect the of wisdom of the shroom much more than I ever had before.

I've wondered if mycilium could infact be sentient, and perhaps one of the oldest life forms on the planet. Thus it chooses who it imparts its wisdom to, and how it does so. The message obviously is one that can only be heard by first opening ones mind to them, but the knowledge could be that of all existing time.

intense thoughts guys, i have never done shrooms (to the point of actually tripping)

im really looking foward to my first experience.

thanks for the great insight

Thundercat, Terence McKenna believed that shrooms had an intelligence. People have also found Salvia to have an intelligence, though I've never found that to be the case.

I firmly believe that mushrooms have an intelligence - in the case of cubensis, it is not dependent upon any synergy between itself an humanity and bestows it's 'knowlege of existence in the universe as it pleases, bestowing special dispensation upon any who seek and succeed in mastering a wholeistic relationship with the organism. you communicate with this organism at your own peril, pleasure or enlightenment as the mushroom sees fit.


I have had the mushroom as my ally for decades and I have the utmost reverence, respect,awe and fear of it's power. It has seen fit to offer me some of it's knowlege, much of it's great power it forever keeps me humble.



It is always wise to deal humbly with this entity.

wannagrowsum said:

Hey Retired, thanks for my first rep I saw earlier you'd asked if you can keep getting flushes. As long as the cake doesn't go bad first, you can extend the life of cakes by resoaking them in water. You can probably do this no more than 3 times before they're done.

Have you tripped or done shrooms before? I always find homegrown shrooms more potent than cow filed shrooms. They are the only trip that gives me 2 climaxes. The first one good and the second one intense. In the first one, The Golden Teacher showed me how the relations I had with people were like a mycelium network. The healthy connections bore fruit (like a shroom) and the unhealthy connections bore no fruit. It gave me a lot of insight to my relationships with people at the time. The 2nd climax was total ego death. I had to muster all my strength to get through, but I did it without freaking out. The bounderies between me, my thoughts, and my surroundings totally dissolved. The lesson that the GT was trying to teach was surrender. At this point I realized that I had to surrender to the trip and let this happen. That was what saved me.

Just as the shroom has forbidden canndo to sell, it has forbidden me to return until I have implemented the lessons it gave me that faithful night. It was an amazing experience, but I now respect the of wisdom of the shroom much more than I ever had before.

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The mushroom is the antidote to hubris and I am glad, very glad that you heed it's communication. We all know that even this is an illusion, that the mushroom is only what we make it, but the more we revere it, the more we make of it, the more we make of it the more we are able to become as inhabitants, no matter how briefly of this astounding universe.


Many of us treat LSD as the toy that it is, powerful but still a toy, the mushroom is no toy.

I completely agree about the LSD too, it didn't have nearly the spiritual "weight" that the mushrooms carry. The LSD seriously felt more like hey lets just party!

Canndo, I totally agree. I would do acid right now but I'm not going back to shrooms until I'm ready. I've accomplished about half of my lessons so far. My reverence is in a jungian sort of way.

YAY Mushies!
They are super easy to grow.
I skipped most of the pages because i didn't feel like reading through 28 pages to make a comment. I've got tons of experience with mushies and heres some advice ill pass on to you.

Don't be too afraid of "contams"... People exaggerate some times... You don't need a glove box unless you want to be fancy like that or if you're working with agar, cloning, spore isolation and stuff like that.
When i inoculated my jars, i usually did it in my kitchen. Id wipe down the counter with lysol, alcohol or any disinfectant i had. Id also spray Lysol in the air and waited a bit to kill any airborne contams.
I've had many grows and i've only had 1 contaminated jar, but that was because i was trying out something someone told me.


I think that PF cakes are the easiest way to start out. I wouldn't suggest going with grain because then you have to worry about casing and all those other extra steps.
PF TEK is easy and it will get you familiar with the way mycellium grows. After you have some PF experience under your belt you can totally manage rye and liquid culture for bulk grows no problem.

If you add a pinch of gypsum to your Brown rice flour verm mix it really helps with the fruit bodies.
Keep the inoculated jars in the dark. Whenever i kept them out they started pinning before they were fully colonized, but once i placed my jars in the cabinet above the fridge i never had that problem again.
Make sure to dunk and roll your cakes before you put them in the fruiting chamber and after ever harvest. It really does increase yield.

My FC was pretty low maintenance... I just had a clear tote i drilled two holes on each side large enough to slip some tubing through it and connected it to air bubble wands at the bottom, and filled it with some water and layers penlite on top.
I drilled two bigger holes on the lid of the tote and my FC was always within optimal temp range and humidity was great! Just need to fan it out to a couple of times to get rid of the CO2 build up.
I just misted and fanned the cakes in the morning before i went to work, during my lunch break, and sometime in the evening.

You can look up how to make one like it. I think it's a poor man's pod..

Hope this helps! Good luck!

well we have a couple teks going on in this thread right now. my buddy is doing the PF tek and im doing a grain tek with popcorn and will be casing. have read lots and lots and i think im ready to go all in with the grain and casing tek. ill probabally be casing with a mix of happy frog potting soil amended with garden lime and espoma garden tone (my mj plant composition) pasturized 50/50 with soil/peat. then will add my final layer of dry vermiculite and mist. i just dont know how im going to manage misting 2-3 times a day so i need to figure out a system that is 100% maintenance free. but no need to fear as Matthebrute may be retired but he is still full of ideas!!

forst thing is first is a air pump with a long length of air tubing run to each pan (will be using aluminum throw away pans with covers.) holes poked in the tubing at each pan and small vent holes in the top. this will give me FOA

then i am going to rig up a humidifier and another lenght of tubing and set that on a timer....it will prob run 15 min once an hour, this will give me humidity..

what do you guys think?