My first crisis, not sure what to do..

polishpollack said:

I'm not guessing.
One gets accuracy by learning.

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First post you suspect my feeding and that i need to transplant. Second post you suspected the boost.
I appreciate the input and i did consider it but i got 2 plants that has been given the same feed and look great so might be more going on than that.

This is one way to learn and to expect someone to have a phd in growing before starting is just silly.

any chance you could post some more pics matey

bobtokes said:

any chance you could post some more pics matey

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Sure, ill get them up later tonight. Was going to last night but i didnt have the time to process the pics, resizing and deleting exif-data.
Not much has happened though, theyve been pretty dormant since the last pics but the drooping is better on the overwatered plants. My guess is they got deficient due to lockout and i then overwatered them on top of that.
The white widow is something else though, looks pretty scary, shes also dormant with small popcorn nugs but all the damage is on the top leafs, even the small nugleafs. See the picture of it earlier when it was starting on her as just brown patterns emerging. The brown ripened up to be death.
Good thing i got your shoulder to cry on!

its all part of the learning process, lol, thing is when you've had a couple of probs it can take a week or 2 for the plants to shake it off and get back on track, plants dont sort them selves out instantly, another thing is when your growing more than 1 strain you can have probs as some plants use more nutes than others so unless you treat them individually, issues
i see your thinking about a coco grow, coco is wonderful to grow in, faster growth and hardly ever any probs and 25/30% MORE BUD, when your ready i'll give you the heads up using canna nutes

Alrite, finally got some pictures together.

The Kings Kush's that are worst off, they have straightened out quite abit even though i watered recently so i take that as a good sign. Also the nugleafs and leafs that are not droopy are not crispy anymore. Wanted to dry them out abit more but especially the left one looked hungry so felt the need to feed. The right one had darker runoff than the others, whatever that might mean.. Pic more than 24hrs old, watered after taking pic.



The white widow.. Kind of looks like the P def but hasnt presented itself the same way as on the kush's.
Started like this:

which turned into this, pic from today. Note the red stems (P def symptom), they are like that on all the troubled plants:


I think im getting a calcium deficiency on one of the Ice again and its the one with the largest buds so makes sense it eats alot and it isnt part of the problem i have. Most large leafs that are in direct contact with the light has this small spotting everywhere, when i had it before the spots was larger and fewer, but it still looks like cal def, right?



Tonights group-photo:



Plan is to go down alittle bit in feed except for calmag which ill increase. The healthy kush got alittle bit of a tip burn when going for my general mix i used after the flush. Probably gonna use less boost and water with loads of runoff to dissolve any possible salts.
Sounds like a reasonable plan? Or could it really be underfeeding that is the problem?

only take pics in white light please, not sodium. can't see colors accurately in sodium.

polishpollack said:

only take pics in white light please, not sodium. can't see colors accurately in sodium.

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How about commenting any of the 5 out of 6 pics that isnt in hps-light? I show all sick plants in normal light and still you try to correct me for adding a group-photo.

liveleap said:

How about commenting any of the 5 out of 6 pics that isnt in hps-light? I show all sick plants in normal light and still you try to correct me for adding a group-photo.

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LOL well said

their certainly looking better, you cant do any more, minimal feed, calmag, ph your feed

My white widows last run all had red stems on the fan leaves and red lines up the stalk throughout the grow, they didn't seem to have any major deficiencies though. I hope they weren't trying to tell me something that whole time! I'll have to check whether that can be a strain characteristic cos there were no other symptoms.
Your plants do look better than they did. I wish I could be more help, I've had it pretty easy so far with growing so I don't have the experience to identify things like that but you seem like you're getting on top of it. I do recommend growing in coco, I've had no problems growing in it at all (except fungus gnats that came in the sack) although I'm still relatively new to it. Get good quality coir though, Canna's great but if you get the cheaper stuff make sure to wash it thoroughly; mix it with perlite cos it can be slow to dry out otherwise and keep on top of the calmag, it's been that simple to use for me so far.
As to your current grow, keep reading, watching, and asking and I'm sure they'll pull through. You might have lost some final weight at harvest but you've learned a lot and gained experience and that'll work in your favour on your next run

I was going to comment but figured I'd let this one play out, for two reasons. One is that I don't know what your problem is, although it looks a bit like deficiency, so I don't want to just guess by calling it something when I don't know. The other is that I don't think you'll solve the problem by coming here because no one seems to know what it is. People here say calmag all the time to solve many things. If the ferts you're giving have cal and mag in them already, then it's unlikely to be either of those as the problem. Frankly, due to the dark green color of that leaf close-up, it looks like you might at least be giving too much nitrogen. But that is only based on the color of that one leaf. If you're in budding, it's common to cut back on the nitrogen, but since I don't know right now how much of that you're giving, I can only surmise this part on the color of that one leaf. If you're not getting leaf tip death, then maybe this isn't a problem.
and please only show pics in white light because sodium ruins any problems that can be shown in white light. showing pics in sodium or other color other than white doesn't help us understand what your problem might be. I just shows that you have a grow and you're using sodium instead of MH or LED. I'm not trying to be a wise guy, just stating the facts. Help us help you better.

polishpollack said:

I was going to comment but figured I'd let this one play out, for two reasons. One is that I don't know what your problem is, although it looks a bit like deficiency, so I don't want to just guess by calling it something when I don't know. The other is that I don't think you'll solve the problem by coming here because no one seems to know what it is. People here say calmag all the time to solve many things. If the ferts you're giving have cal and mag in them already, then it's unlikely to be either of those as the problem. Frankly, due to the dark green color of that leaf close-up, it looks like you might at least be giving too much nitrogen. But that is only based on the color of that one leaf. If you're in budding, it's common to cut back on the nitrogen, but since I don't know right now how much of that you're giving, I can only surmise this part on the color of that one leaf. If you're not getting leaf tip death, then maybe this isn't a problem.
and please only show pics in white light because sodium ruins any problems that can be shown in white light. showing pics in sodium or other color other than white doesn't help us understand what your problem might be. I just shows that you have a grow and you're using sodium instead of MH or LED. I'm not trying to be a wise guy, just stating the facts. Help us help you better.

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i grow in coco using canna A/B which contains magnesium i still have to supplement mg, like everyone else
do you actually grow ?
your posts dont help anyone, all you do is state the bleeding obvious

bobtokes said:

your posts dont help anyone, all you do is state the bleeding obvious

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I have to correct you there, he also likes to passive-aggressively put down anything anybody else "guesses" while talking in maybes himself.

guessing doesn't help, but since no one but the grower is at the grow it is difficult for anyone to know exactly what's going on. sodium light doesn't reveal anything except the gold glow of sodium light.
passive aggressive behavior is where a person creates conflict by avoiding an issue rather than dealing with it. I'm not doing that.
cannacat, earlier in this thread didn't you write that you've never used more than 3ml per liter but 35 ml per 10 liters is equal to 3.5 ml per liter. liveleap says that he has used a booster which I'm GUESSING is this: http://www.cannagardening.com/cannaboost_a_real_boost
This page states that there is cal and mag in the fert. It also says there are many other nutrients. Liveleap seems to be following what this page is trying to tell us as 35 mls corresponds with what the company says to use: "In general, a 20 to 40 ml range gives the optimum results. A further increase in the dosage will flatten out the additional growth levels and very high doses might even harm the plant’s development. It will always be up to the individual grower to determine what dosage works best for their particular crop." In a post on the first page, liveleap wrote this: "i was up to 35ml/10l last watering with nutes and bottle says 50ml."

However, when reading over the early stuff in this thread, perhaps I'm wrong here, but it looked to me like liveleap was giving both other nutrients and the boost together. If this is the case, it could account for the dark green leaf color. It also needs to be remembered that liveleap is growing in soil, not coco. Many soils already have fert in them and adding more can cause trouble. Reading over the early posting, I saw liveleap mention growing in soil but didn't say exactly what kind, so..... liveleap, what soil are you using?

(This entire thread is a good example why it's important to put down details of a grow. You don't have to write a book, but the soil type, amount, temperatures, air flow, water, fert type and amounts and how often, are important details to put here to reduce the chance of people guessing at solutions rather than being able to pinpoint what's wrong).

polishpollack said:

guessing doesn't help, but since no one but the grower is at the grow it is difficult for anyone to know exactly what's going on. sodium light doesn't reveal anything except the gold glow of sodium light.

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another useless post

why is that useless?
liveleap isn't growing in coco like you do. liveleap has used what appears to be quite a bit of canna fert, on top of a soil that might have fert in it already. you can't determine color well in sodium lighting. what's so useless or foolish about what I write?

polishpollack said:

why is that useless?

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All anyone can do in these forums is look at the available information and suggest what we would do in those circumstances. That includes you. Yet you seem to feel that your thoughts are valid and nobody else should be offering opinions because they're guessing. I'm sure that wasn't your intention but it's how you're coming across and it's starting to grate, hence my above snidey comment which was kind of ironic since I was being fairly passive-aggressive myself, I apologise for that and you can check all my previous posts and see I wouldn't normally behave like that. There are ways to get your point across, and being critical of the Op and everyone trying to help him in whatever way they are able isn't helpful. I have limited experience so I'm upfront about the fact that anything I offer is based on what I've read when dealing with my own plants, if I haven't run across something that could be relevant or experienced an issue myself then I wouldn't comment. We all know the downsides to these forums and I would hope that nobody would just blindly do something they'd been advised on a forum without doing some research themselves first because all anyone can do to help is guess, but when one has run out of his own guesses then what else is there to do but ask for the opinions of others?

Yes, see, that's the problem. There tends to be too much guessing. My point exactly.
Being passive aggressive means causing problems by doing nothing. Trying to get involved isn't doing nothing. That involvement might not be accurate, but at least it is trying. And this is the issue - people here are trying to help with the best of intentions, however, the info they provide isn't always accurate. When I see the grower is already giving calmag, I wonder why others come here and say "give more calmag." You see what I mean? You guys are making this about me, not the grow. The nutrients liveleap is giving already have calmag and while more may be necessary for a coco grow, liveleap is growing in soil.
You wrote that you never went above 3mls per liter, but this is close to what liveleap is using at 35mls per 10 liters. liveleap is only giving one half more milliliter than you do. I think earlier in this thread I wondered if the boost was creating a problem, but liveleap denied the possibility, saying that "people swear by it." Well, that nice, but it doesn't mean it's not causing a problem here based on the other nutrients given and the fact that liveleap is growing in soil, not coco. This difference is important because the soil might have nutrients in it but we won't know that until liveleap tell us. If it does, then giving the canna might be too much and the booster might be too much, and also the frequency of giving the ferts might be too often. But this is only a guess because liveleap needs to come back and tell us more about the grow. Until you have all the important info, giving suggestions, while being social and nice, can actually be counter-productive and make things worse. Opinions that are wrong will not help the grower solve a problem.

IM GONNA BE REAL buddy Im pretty sure thats a disease or bacteria or even some kind of bug possibly but more then likely no deficiency there. You tried everything these guys told you with Cal-Mag and watering PH the whole deal and that bitch kept rotting leaves and looking 60% less quality and yield then a healthy plant should look. Trust me that shit needs to get separated and treated the best you can if you can diagnose it so the others aren't effected. Then super clean your garden next grow and hope for the best.

Im not sure either, but id be thinking that because its in flower it needs lots of Potassium. Id start there.
Either way id be segregating in case its some bug/disease.
But just guessing to.

Either way as long as the buds keep looking good i wouldn't stress to much. You haven't got long to go and the flowers will eat most of those leaves anyway. Id trim those affected sugar leaves.