My first crisis, not sure what to do..

polishpollack said:

why is that useless?
liveleap isn't growing in coco like you do. liveleap has used what appears to be quite a bit of canna fert, on top of a soil that might have fert in it already. you can't determine color well in sodium lighting. what's so useless or foolish about what I write?

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you said the nutes he uses already contains MG, CALCIUM, so he should not need to put any more in, the nutes i use already contain it, but i still have to supplement it just like every other grower
your right you cant determine colour well under sodium lighting, what about the 5 pics that weren't taken under sodium lighting

bobtokes, you say you grow in coco, correct? or am I wrong and thinking of someone else? if you're in coco, you need to give more calmag because it has zero. It's entirely possible that the soil that liveleap is using already has calmag in it. but since that person has so far neglected to come back, we don't know for sure. the 5 pic in white light were fine. it does no one here and good to see any pic in sodium however because you can't see color. I want everyone who reads this to put up pics in white light if they want help and don't think that pics in colored lighting is going to help because it doesn't.

Sorry for not answering anything but ive been pretty busy. Was trying to answer now but its too much work from a smartphone. Ill try to catch up later tonight!

About the plants, they are doing alrite, not mich happened since last pictures but ive noticed some budgrowth on the kushs and the ice which i showed the leaf from last pics just sloowly gets worse. Its just on the leafs in direct contact with the sweetspot that show this and thats typical of caldef i think.
I really suspect my soil, it turns to dust when rubbing it between my fingers.. too salty?

Hey again, didnt get to the computer yesterday either, i spent hours on flushing and thats the reason im writing this. As i wrote i suspected my soil of beeing salty and when the lights came on yesterday i noticed a worsening of the kush i gave food to a couple of days ago. The other one was dried up to a degree where it almost layed down on the floor so i decided to flush. Took them out of the tent and noticed a white buildup in the fabric of the pots which im guessing is salt. Started the flush with a weak dose of nutes and calmag and the runoff came out as dark morningpiss with a ph of lower 5's. Kept flushing and after 50 liters (13gals) it still had a urine look to it but lighter and the ph was back up to 5.9 when i settled.

This must be my problem, right?

Yes probably is as that one leaf pic you put up was pretty dark green, more so than normal, and this usually indicates over fert. you'll know if they recover, but there is no guarantee. we'll see what happens.

polishpollack said:

Yes probably is as that one leaf pic you put up was pretty dark green, more so than normal, and this usually indicates over fert. you'll know if they recover, but there is no guarantee. we'll see what happens.

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Yea, i was personally thinking the green looked pretty normal on that leaf but thats because i compared it to the kushs who are naturally alot darker. And now when i look at the kushs sugarleafs which isnt affected they are really dark even for beeing what they are.
They did bounce back abit when i gave them a light flush last time so i should have done a real flush much sooner, made the mistake to underestimate the saltyness. Atleast they do have buds, just half the size of their littlesister and hopefully theyll do alittle spurt last couple weeks.

I mentioned earlier that I thought adding the boost might be too much as it looked like you're overferting them. I received a good deal of criticism, saying that my approach to everyone's guessing was "starting to grate" and that my posts were useless. But I suspect now we see that I was more right than those who kept saying calmag was the answer. We prevent bad guesses by learning what's really necessary. You don't want to give too much of anything and calmag isn't always the answer. Many times that's just a guess. I try not make guesses in this forum and it would good if others could do the same. Years ago, people always blamed pH for a grower's problem. The solution was always "dude, check your pH." That wasn't always right either. Indoor growing takes more learning than just dump in ferts and get buds. It doesn't work that way.

maybe buy an EC meter when you can to help keep track and the salts under control.

polishpollack said:

bobtokes, you say you grow in coco, correct? or am I wrong and thinking of someone else? if you're in coco, you need to give more calmag because it has zero. It's entirely possible that the soil that liveleap is using already has calmag in it. but since that person has so far neglected to come back, we don't know for sure. the 5 pic in white light were fine. it does no one here and good to see any pic in sodium however because you can't see color. I want everyone who reads this to put up pics in white light if they want help and don't think that pics in colored lighting is going to help because it doesn't.

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again stating the obvious coco has no nutes in it, well it wouldn't as its a hydro media
whether livelaps compost contains MG or not he will still have to supplement it
i use canna A/B which contains MG, I still have to supplement it, as does everyone else

polishpollack said:

I mentioned earlier that I thought adding the boost might be too much as it looked like you're overferting them. I received a good deal of criticism, saying that my approach to everyone's guessing was "starting to grate" and that my posts were useless. But I suspect now we see that I was more right than those who kept saying calmag was the answer. We prevent bad guesses by learning what's really necessary. You don't want to give too much of anything and calmag isn't always the answer. Many times that's just a guess. I try not make guesses in this forum and it would good if others could do the same. Years ago, people always blamed pH for a grower's problem. The solution was always "dude, check your pH." That wasn't always right either. Indoor growing takes more learning than just dump in ferts and get buds. It doesn't work that way.

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this post cracks me up WAFFLE

Hey all, the grow is now over and i had a decent result considering my problems. I continued to feed lightly and with much runoff, periodically even flushed with water before feeding and it did have effect. The kushs that were worst off didnt yield good but the buds seem alrite, look as good as the harvest from their sister who was unaffected by the problems. Although they only yielded about 60g, would be almost twice if the buds wouldve fattened up correctly, they literally were half the size but matured fine in about 1,5 weeks after the good one.

Im not feeling like commenting much here, this thread took a turn i did not like but felt i owed an update on how it went. I guess my advice to anyone with similar symptoms on their beloved ones should take a look at their watering routines. Dont always dump in ferts every watering, atleast not in doses above half the labels recommendations and for the love of god, water with plenty of runoff and should probablt even put an occassional plain water flush in the schedule.

Ive learnt alot getting though this and feel confident im not doing that mistake again, although i now grow in coco and it shouldnt be an issue therefore.
If anyone got any questions, feel free to ask, ill keep my eye on this thread.

Thanks everyone, probably half the thread had guesses that was close to what was going on, i just had to figure out the WHY.

Edit: almost forgot one issue that certainly didnt help. I watered with water that was about 30C and that is a nono. You want colder water, somewhere around 15 if i understood it correctly. Apparently water thats above that cant hold oxygene good at all and some claim its as important as ph.