My first grow - looking for suggestions

Hey fellow growers,

Cannabis is soon to be legalized here in Vermont, and residents can possess a total of 6 plants starting July 1. Because VT summers are so short, I figured I would get a jumpstart on my grow.

I started with seeds from seedsman - two strains of Indica (kush & skunk) and one Sativa (ace). I used the presoak method for 5 of my 8 seeds. After roughly 24 hours, most of my seeds had sunk to the bottom of my glass, and all were transplanted into Peat Pellets for germination.

All but 1 seed germinated, and after 4 days, I had 7 little seedlings sprouting up out of their pellets. I wish I had taken photos of that stage...

after another week, all but two of the seedlings had discarded their shell and begun growing their first pair of actual leaves. At this time, I transplanted them into pots filled with organic garden soil. After loads of research, I quickly discovered that this soil wasn't optimal, and switched to Fox Farm Ocean Forest (ffof) mixed with 20% perlite. This was roughly a week ago.

My plants are currently just about 2 weeks from initial pre-soak / germination, and so far, all seems well. I move them outside into the sunlight during the day and bring them inside at night. I had to manually remove the hardened shell from two of the seedlings, and they may not make it - they still seem to be growing leaves, though.

My plan is to move the plants outdoors permanently in another 2 weeks and plant directly into the ground using my ffof mixture. I will then begin using nutes.

My concern at this stage is water pH and soil acidity. I have read that ffof is too hot for seedlings, although my seedlings seem fine, and my soil is cut w/ 20% perlite. Also, our well-water tests at a pH of about 8. I have not tried altering this, because so far the plants seem to enjoy it. Plus, I'm thinking the acidity of the ffof may be cut by the relatively basic tap-water.

Anyway, thanks for reading! Please let me know if you have any suggestions for me moving forward. I'm a complete and utter 'n00b' when it comes to this stuff, and in the short time that I have been researching, I have learned that there are many different ways to grow, and many very opinionated people. I'm not looking for perfection, but certainly not mediocrity, either. Somewhere in-between. ;)
 

SchmoeJoe

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Why in the ground instead of buckets or smart pots?
Why in pots instead of in the ground? I know there's a lot of opinions bother ways and most seem to prefer pots but I'd rather spend that extra money on more soil and have a bigger root system.
 

SchmoeJoe

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Hey fellow growers,

Cannabis is soon to be legalized here in Vermont, and residents can possess a total of 6 plants starting July 1. Because VT summers are so short, I figured I would get a jumpstart on my grow.

I started with seeds from seedsman - two strains of Indica (kush & skunk) and one Sativa (ace). I used the presoak method for 5 of my 8 seeds. After roughly 24 hours, most of my seeds had sunk to the bottom of my glass, and all were transplanted into Peat Pellets for germination.

All but 1 seed germinated, and after 4 days, I had 7 little seedlings sprouting up out of their pellets. I wish I had taken photos of that stage...

after another week, all but two of the seedlings had discarded their shell and begun growing their first pair of actual leaves. At this time, I transplanted them into pots filled with organic garden soil. After loads of research, I quickly discovered that this soil wasn't optimal, and switched to Fox Farm Ocean Forest (ffof) mixed with 20% perlite. This was roughly a week ago.

My plants are currently just about 2 weeks from initial pre-soak / germination, and so far, all seems well. I move them outside into the sunlight during the day and bring them inside at night. I had to manually remove the hardened shell from two of the seedlings, and they may not make it - they still seem to be growing leaves, though.

My plan is to move the plants outdoors permanently in another 2 weeks and plant directly into the ground using my ffof mixture. I will then begin using nutes.

My concern at this stage is water pH and soil acidity. I have read that ffof is too hot for seedlings, although my seedlings seem fine, and my soil is cut w/ 20% perlite. Also, our well-water tests at a pH of about 8. I have not tried altering this, because so far the plants seem to enjoy it. Plus, I'm thinking the acidity of the ffof may be cut by the relatively basic tap-water.

Anyway, thanks for reading! Please let me know if you have any suggestions for me moving forward. I'm a complete and utter 'n00b' when it comes to this stuff, and in the short time that I have been researching, I have learned that there are many different ways to grow, and many very opinionated people. I'm not looking for perfection, but certainly not mediocrity, either. Somewhere in-between. ;)
Pretty much all decent potting soil is pH buffered so as long as your water isn't horribly off it'll be ok for at least a little while. Another thing to keep in mind is that pretty much all liquid organic fertilizers are made with an acidic ph to extend shelf life. When the time comes you could probably adjust your ph with a base nutrient or simple blend of 2-3 things instead of using ph up. Just be sure to never use more than the recommended amount of any one thing and preferably less than the max.
 

bezalom

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I would get rid of the Foxfarm Ocean Forest. I did a side by side test of two small White Widow (one on left much smaller and leaf spotting etc.). Ocean Forest doesn't actually have much in it because they want you to buy their expensive additive bottles and feed em on a schedule that will cost you a small fortune, make your pot taste like crap, and delay amber trichs (potency/maturity) indefinitely.

Also, Foxfarm additives are not organic (so what's the point?)

don't think it's 20% perlite (but maybe)...I added more perlite myself

Go Organic and get some cal-mag and some bloom booster. A good organic soil you won't have to feed at all.

Also, depending upon where you live...you may need to buy your water. Here I can't use straight tap water as is too akaline so I buy Walmart springwater and collect rainwater.

I have never owned a ph tester and first started growing in late 90's. Look at the leaves and they will tell you all you need to know about the health of your plant.

A friend of mine can't even grow indoors (and has great lights including MH, HPS, LED, etc.) because he constantly adjusting this and that and up ph and down and soon he tried so hard all his plants died. lol. Sometimes less is more (and better).

Let the plant do it's thing and stay away from mothering your plant to death constantly adjusting this and ph that. because soon you got ph lockout so then a flush (or more additives) and bunch of rainy days come along and then you got root rot and fungus gnats.

best advice to 1st time growers...."back off"!

If you let the plant grow...it will!
 

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Thanks for all the great feedback.

Why in the ground instead of buckets or smart pots?
I opted for in the ground because I didn't want to constrict their root growth. We have great soil here and I plan to use 1.5 cubic feet of my ffof/perlite mix for each plant. They will be spaced about 6 feet from one another. I was worried that a 5-gal bucket or bag would eventually restrict my plant's growth. Although with an autoflower maybe it doesn't really matter as much since they will begin to flower after roughly 8 weeks?

I would get rid of the Foxfarm Ocean Forest.
There are as many arguments in-favor of ffof as there are against. Because I've already invested $80 in the ffof, I'm going to ride this one out. Do you suggest feeding with something other than the FF nutes? I'm not opposed to trying something different - I have not purchased the 3 FF nutes that everyone suggests, as I hadn't planned on feeding them until about 4 weeks unless you feel that I should sooner. Great advice about letting your plants be. I am very excited to grow my own and admittedly I spend way too much time babying them, moving them into the best sunlit window-sills and whispering sweet nothings to them while they sleep... lol.

Pretty much all decent potting soil is pH buffered so as long as your water isn't horribly off it'll be ok for at least a little while.
Thanks for the help. When do you suggest that I begin adding to my mix? Before I put them into the ground? I had thought at 4 weeks they would be large enough to transplant and begin feeding. What do you use to up your ph naturally? Also, what is the best way to test my soil's ph? If I assume that ffof is around 5.5 pH, and my tap water is close to 8, doesn't that mean I should average these numbers, leaving me w/ a pH of 6.75?

Thanks again for all the great suggestions. Since I'm new here I can't post a link to a photo gallery just yet - and the upload photo button doesn't seem to like my pics, though I'll try again - hopefully it works this time.
 

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Capn-Crunch

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I agree with your previous poster. Less is more and keep it simple.
I was going to use FFOF here, but it was $38 a bag, which I think is crazy! It's also from what I've been told a fairly hot soil mix. Hot soil and a lot of nutes can harm a seedling.
I used
Pro Mix all purpose (4 cubic ft.) $15
Worm castings
A little extra pearlite
An organic granular tomato fert.
This will work all the way to flower when I'll use a bloom nute.
To PH up or down I use vinegar, or baking soda in my water, it works great!
My plants have vegged for 3 weeks and I'll be putting them outside in about 10 days. I can't put them outside any earlier here
because of the risk of a frost. It's cold here in Northern Maine, lol
 

hotrodharley

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You know your environment. Buckets or bags are great if you have to relocate because of weather, moving, rippers. Drill the buckets obviously. They will root through the holes and can suffer being gently uprooted if needed.
 
It's cold here in Northern Maine, lol
Always a pleasure to chat with a fellow New Englander. I am in northern VT, no stranger to cold weather here! What is 'too cold'? It will be middle of June before they're transplanted, but even so, we're expecting temps as low as 38 tonight alone. ffof was $15/1.5cu ft. bag at my local Agway. I too heard it was hot, which is why I cut it with perlite. Do you grow in bags/buckets?

Buckets or bags are great if you have to relocate because of weather, moving, rippers. Drill the buckets obviously.
Thanks for the tip. So if I plant in buckets w/ holes drilled, and don't end up moving them, will my plant growth be somewhat stunted, or do the holes alleviate this problem?

What do you all suggest for feeding once they're ready? the ff nutes seem good but are pretty pricey if you buy the entire line, or at the very least the three I've seen recommended around the web.
 

Capn-Crunch

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Always a pleasure to chat with a fellow New Englander. I am in northern VT, no stranger to cold weather here! What is 'too cold'? It will be middle of June before they're transplanted, but even so, we're expecting temps as low as 38 tonight alone. ffof was $15/1.5cu ft. bag at my local Agway. I too heard it was hot, which is why I cut it with perlite. Do you grow in bags/buckets?



Thanks for the tip. So if I plant in buckets w/ holes drilled, and don't end up moving them, will my plant growth be somewhat stunted, or do the holes alleviate this problem?

What do you all suggest for feeding once they're ready? the ff nutes seem good but are pretty pricey if you buy the entire line, or at the very least the three I've seen recommended around the web.
Some in the ground, and some in fabric pots
 

tyke1973

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Hey fellow growers,

Cannabis is soon to be legalized here in Vermont, and residents can possess a total of 6 plants starting July 1. Because VT summers are so short, I figured I would get a jumpstart on my grow.

I started with seeds from seedsman - two strains of Indica (kush & skunk) and one Sativa (ace). I used the presoak method for 5 of my 8 seeds. After roughly 24 hours, most of my seeds had sunk to the bottom of my glass, and all were transplanted into Peat Pellets for germination.

All but 1 seed germinated, and after 4 days, I had 7 little seedlings sprouting up out of their pellets. I wish I had taken photos of that stage...

after another week, all but two of the seedlings had discarded their shell and begun growing their first pair of actual leaves. At this time, I transplanted them into pots filled with organic garden soil. After loads of research, I quickly discovered that this soil wasn't optimal, and switched to Fox Farm Ocean Forest (ffof) mixed with 20% perlite. This was roughly a week ago.

My plants are currently just about 2 weeks from initial pre-soak / germination, and so far, all seems well. I move them outside into the sunlight during the day and bring them inside at night. I had to manually remove the hardened shell from two of the seedlings, and they may not make it - they still seem to be growing leaves, though.

My plan is to move the plants outdoors permanently in another 2 weeks and plant directly into the ground using my ffof mixture. I will then begin using nutes.

My concern at this stage is water pH and soil acidity. I have read that ffof is too hot for seedlings, although my seedlings seem fine, and my soil is cut w/ 20% perlite. Also, our well-water tests at a pH of about 8. I have not tried altering this, because so far the plants seem to enjoy it. Plus, I'm thinking the acidity of the ffof may be cut by the relatively basic tap-water.

Anyway, thanks for reading! Please let me know if you have any suggestions for me moving forward. I'm a complete and utter 'n00b' when it comes to this stuff, and in the short time that I have been researching, I have learned that there are many different ways to grow, and many very opinionated people. I'm not looking for perfection, but certainly not mediocrity, either. Somewhere in-between. ;)
Make Sure that big Sativa is Placed some where that won't shade out the others further down the line ,Good luck in the future ,we can hope that in the next few years we will be able to post We are legal,But an't see it happening.
 
Just thought I'd share a bit of an update with you all:

So far everything seems to be moving along rather smoothly. My babies are roughly 4 weeks old today, and I have just transplanted them into their final grow-space: 5 Gallon Smart Pots. I opted for the pots because I have the perfect flat rooftop deck to grow them on - it gets a solid 8-9 hours of sunlight on a good day, and is out of sight for any visitors (our nearest neighbor lives a mile from us, not that I'm too concerned).

I stuck with the mixture of ffof and 20% perlite, and intend to begin feeding the plants the fox farm nutrients today, based on a feeding schedule I found elsewhere on this forum, unless anyone else recommends a better feed schedule.

I ran into a bit of a chronic underwatering issue, which is why the bottom two leaves on two of my plants look a bit curled and yellow. I didn't realize how quickly water drains when perlite is involved, and when using very small starter pots. I believe this was also caused, in part, by being left under a 1000W full-spectrum LED grow light that I bought for them beginning of last week - we were on a 4-day camping trip and I wanted them to be left under constant light (being autoflowers).

They look healthy and happy to me, minus the few yellowing leaves. Let me know what you think, and if you have any suggestions for me at this stage.
 

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Vthippy74

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Just thought I'd share a bit of an update with you all:

So far everything seems to be moving along rather smoothly. My babies are roughly 4 weeks old today, and I have just transplanted them into their final grow-space: 5 Gallon Smart Pots. I opted for the pots because I have the perfect flat rooftop deck to grow them on - it gets a solid 8-9 hours of sunlight on a good day, and is out of sight for any visitors (our nearest neighbor lives a mile from us, not that I'm too concerned).

I stuck with the mixture of ffof and 20% perlite, and intend to begin feeding the plants the fox farm nutrients today, based on a feeding schedule I found elsewhere on this forum, unless anyone else recommends a better feed schedule.

I ran into a bit of a chronic underwatering issue, which is why the bottom two leaves on two of my plants look a bit curled and yellow. I didn't realize how quickly water drains when perlite is involved, and when using very small starter pots. I believe this was also caused, in part, by being left under a 1000W full-spectrum LED grow light that I bought for them beginning of last week - we were on a 4-day camping trip and I wanted them to be left under constant light (being autoflowers).

They look healthy and happy to me, minus the few yellowing leaves. Let me know what you think, and if you have any suggestions for me at this stage.
They look good great color.
 
They look good great color.
Thank you! I do have a bit of a newbie question - how much water should I be giving them at a time? They are in 5 Gal containers - I just finished watering them, and split 2.5 Gal of water between the four plants. Is this sufficient, or maybe not quite enough?

This was also their first feed with nutrients (3 tsp Big Bloom and 2 tsp Grow Big). This is half the recommended dosage of Big Bloom, and roughly 1/4 the recommended dosage of Grow Big, since that's pretty hot. I will adjust if I see burning, unless you recommend going higher than 1/4 the dose. I pulled these numbers from a guide I found on an autoflower specific site - sorry I can't post links yet - need more post likes!
 

Beachwalker

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Hey fellow growers,

Cannabis is soon to be legalized here in Vermont, and residents can possess a total of 6 plants starting July 1. Because VT summers are so short, I figured I would get a jumpstart on my grow.

I started with seeds from seedsman - two strains of Indica (kush & skunk) and one Sativa (ace). I used the presoak method for 5 of my 8 seeds. After roughly 24 hours, most of my seeds had sunk to the bottom of my glass, and all were transplanted into Peat Pellets for germination.

All but 1 seed germinated, and after 4 days, I had 7 little seedlings sprouting up out of their pellets. I wish I had taken photos of that stage...

after another week, all but two of the seedlings had discarded their shell and begun growing their first pair of actual leaves. At this time, I transplanted them into pots filled with organic garden soil. After loads of research, I quickly discovered that this soil wasn't optimal, and switched to Fox Farm Ocean Forest (ffof) mixed with 20% perlite. This was roughly a week ago.

My plants are currently just about 2 weeks from initial pre-soak / germination, and so far, all seems well. I move them outside into the sunlight during the day and bring them inside at night. I had to manually remove the hardened shell from two of the seedlings, and they may not make it - they still seem to be growing leaves, though.

My plan is to move the plants outdoors permanently in another 2 weeks and plant directly into the ground using my ffof mixture. I will then begin using nutes.

My concern at this stage is water pH and soil acidity. I have read that ffof is too hot for seedlings, although my seedlings seem fine, and my soil is cut w/ 20% perlite. Also, our well-water tests at a pH of about 8. I have not tried altering this, because so far the plants seem to enjoy it. Plus, I'm thinking the acidity of the ffof may be cut by the relatively basic tap-water.

Anyway, thanks for reading! Please let me know if you have any suggestions for me moving forward. I'm a complete and utter 'n00b' when it comes to this stuff, and in the short time that I have been researching, I have learned that there are many different ways to grow, and many very opinionated people. I'm not looking for perfection, but certainly not mediocrity, either. Somewhere in-between. ;)
Welcome to the wonderful world of legal / legal..! :mrgreen:
 

Vthippy74

Member
Thank you! I do have a bit of a newbie question - how much water should I be giving them at a time? They are in 5 Gal containers - I just finished watering them, and split 2.5 Gal of water between the four plants. Is this sufficient, or maybe not quite enough?

This was also their first feed with nutrients (3 tsp Big Bloom and 2 tsp Grow Big). This is half the recommended dosage of Big Bloom, and roughly 1/4 the recommended dosage of Grow Big, since that's pretty hot. I will adjust if I see burning, unless you recommend going higher than 1/4 the dose. I pulled these numbers from a guide I found on an autoflower specific site - sorry I can't post links yet - need more post likes!
I would slowly increase if u see burning cut back and dont use nuts every watering. I am new to but yhat is what i have found. My gut has seemed to be right.
 
Thought I'd give everyone a bit of an update. Plants are now just over 6 weeks old.

- I have increased waterings to every 3 days, Big Bloom every feeding (2 Tbsp / gallon), other nutes every other feed.
- I have slowly increased nutes to 2 Tbsp/gallon for Big Bloom (1/2 strength), and 2 Tsp for Grow Big (75% strength)

Questions:

1. When should I start using the Tiger Bloom nute? I feel like as autoflowers they have definitely entered the flowering phase - there are white pistils forming on all plants, and I believe I'm beginning to see actual bud-sites.
2. For anyone with experience growing autoflowering seeds, how long can I expect before they begin blooming? Again, they are currently just over 6 weeks in age.
3. The larger plant's leaves tend to droop a bit more than the others - I'm thinking it's simply because they are much heavier than the rest. Leaves look very healthy otherwise. OR - could this be a watering issue?

Looking forward to sharing the rest of this journey with you all.
 

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