My logical take on creation/evolution/Genesis.

eye exaggerate said:

reen, yeh... Are you saying that chemistry is the vehicle for ambition? I think some people say that God is 'desire'. I find it neat that when all else is stripped away, what is left is 'desire'. Sounds a little like ambition to me

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eye ... ( ← I spelled your sobriquet backwards also ... didja notice? Huh? Huh??)
... I was originally gonna say "chemistry with aspirations", but the trouble there is that "aspiration" is a technical term (for chemists and physics*) and I made a last-second word swap.
But your proposition that chemistry might be the vehicle for ambition makes a certain sense to me. The dance of the neurons has chemistry as a pervasively, yea dominantly necessary component. There's also electricity, but i do not wish to become mired in the ambiguities of energy, lol!
The chemistry relies, in turn, on the affinities of "message" molecules for their atomic addresses. That energy of binding can be precisely quantified, and the energy not yet released by unbound molecules ... yes, desire, and very close to the scale at which quantum phenomenology becomes rather important. Dominance, desire, binding were all valuable terms in my former discipline. cn

* "physic" in the archaic sense of a rather hands-on medical practitioner. Barber. Amputician. Chirurgeon. That parses as "hand worker". Imagine if modern surgeons were aware of their being classified as manual laborers. Green collar.

I like studying creation science and it takes the Bible literally No way do I belive we came from apes !

konagirl420 said:

I like studying creation science and it takes the Bible literally No way do I belive we came from apes !

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We are apes. You my want to read some actual science...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

tyler.durden said:

We are apes. You my want to read some actual science...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

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I concur with Tyler. Read something, don't be afraid to learn about science. The more you know, the less afraid you have to be.

You can believe that if you want lol, I know what I believe thanks

How does one study "creation science"? I mean I can understand if someone believes in creationism..but if you go that route,what exactly is there scientifically to analyze? I thought it was just "god created everything..there ya go" The terms appear to be mutually exclusive.

konagirl420 said:

I like studying creation science and it takes the Bible literally No way do I belive we came from apes !

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The same way one studies evolution, they are both faith based claims and there is scientific evidence to support the Bible evolution takes a lot more faith to believe in than creation, just depends what evidence you choose to believe there are many books written on creation science that have the scientific evidence to back them up.

konagirl420 said:

The same way one studies evolution, they are both faith based claims and there is scientific evidence to support the Bible evolution takes a lot more faith to believe in than creation, just depends what evidence you choose to believe there are many books written on creation science that have the scientific evidence to back them up.

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Evolution is not a faith-based claim. That is actually propaganda from creationists. Everything about evolution science says "disprove me if you can!" Creation science, being ultimately based on doctrine, does not have that built0in reality check. cn

...I don't know that a logical take on creation really works. We can have a logical take on the creation, but not the creator. We're always a step behind creation and we end up observing it. I think that's just the way it goes.

...some say that if you mix your mind and your heart together you can 'see' better. It has a lot to do with sex, and we're only 'loaded' ) ) with that potential - we didn't make it. In fact, it made us.

Those tests are flawed in nature they are not as "scientific" as they want the masses to think they explain it in all the science terms in the books, they have even proposed teaching creation science along with evolution in some states.

You can believe in evolution that's cool, but not a single fossil has ever been found of any creature in any state or any form of "evolving" thus there is absolutely no way to "prove" evolution.

konagirl420 said:

You can believe in evolution that's cool, but not a single fossil has ever been found of any creature in any state or any form of "evolving" thus there is absolutely no way to "prove" evolution.

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Im a theist, and I cant say that evolution doesnt happen. Evolution is something that constantly happens as animals are exposed to new conditions. A species will evolve to better suit there living conditions, they dont just go extinct (usually). Look at legless lizards or walking, air breathing fish. Those are animals that are right in the middle of evolution. Even ocean mammals like whales and dolphins have small bones that used to be from legs.

That is called adaption

konagirl420 said:

You can believe in evolution that's cool, but not a single fossil has ever been found of any creature in any state or any form of "evolving" thus there is absolutely no way to "prove" evolution.

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If you read Dawkins "The Ancestor's Tale" you will see that what you have there is a loaded question ... it's the sort of thing only creationists say, as it can so easily be proven wrong. We are surrounded by species in transition; it's just that the historic timeframe is too quick to show the changes ... with one spectacular exception: livestock and pets. They truly do showcase evolution in action. cn

No fossil has ever been found that was half man half monkey with all the so called "evolving" that was going on surely we would have found some huh ?

konagirl420 said:

That is called adaption

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Evolution is adaptation, for the most part. Anytime a species of animals DNA changes so that their bodies adapt more to their environment they have evolved, even if its a few extra layers of fat to protect from cold.

konagirl420 said:

No fossil has ever been found that was half man half monkey with all the so called "evolving" that was going on surely we would have found some huh ?

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Well anybody could say that because its a process that happens gradually over thousands or sometimes millions of years.. I believe in god, im sure you know this, but I also believe that animals evolve. It would be stupid to say they dont. The thing that seperated man from monkey was the soul that god gave him.

No one of any right mind, without agenda, ever said that man "came from" apes. It is quite obvious we did not. We are a creature that survived just barely when other creatures did not. So, we are not like other species. We have no genetic diversity, to speak of. We are not actually a species, in that way.

We are the last family to survive. So, no, not from apes. Molded in an entirely different way, I think. The genetic markers are pretty clear. The species, homo sapiens was wiped out a long time ago. We are just the last, lonely family of man, wondering what comes next...and trying to get ready. Get this precious DNA out of the gravity well. We are endangered, IMO. It's a dangerous family feud, that could kill us all. Maybe when we understand that, and not the divisiveness of Religion, things can get better.

You can belive what you want, I know what I believe adaption and evolution are two different things, and if your theory were true then there still would be at least a few fossils of animals with both scales and feathers or humans and apes lol, either way it's all about what evidence you want to believe they are both faith based theory's